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pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:06 PM Sep 2016

You think Hillary would have avoided problems by disclosing on Fri or Sat? You’re wrong.

She would still have faced attacks from at least three directions:

One, from the people who would paint her as too weak and lacking the “stamina” to be able to handle the presidency.

Two, from people who claimed she was just faking illness to get sympathy and to draw attention away from her “deplorable gaffe.” (Like they said after she couldn't attend a Benghazi hearing because she'd had a concussion.)

And three, from people claiming that it WASN’T PNEUMONIA AT ALL. It was something MUCH WORSE. Like epilepsy, or Parkinson's, or MS, or brain damage.

And the whole discussion would have continued for days and completely overshadowed the 9/11 memorial.

So she made the decision to try to tough it out without disclosing – like John Kerry did while campaigning in 2004 -- and attend the memorial.

But you can’t tell me that she wouldn’t have been attacked if only she had come clean. That is just flat out untrue.
She is always and everywhere attacked -- no matter what she does. And she knows that and has to do her best anyway.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-believe-hillary-has-pneumonia-and-i-guess-that-makes-me-a-cuckservative/

I wrote last week about the bat-crap crazy conspiracy theories regarding Hillary Clinton which, thanks largely to Matt Drudge, have made their way in the mainstream of the “conservative” media. Even I thought that the magic “invisible earpiece” would be tough to top, but in the aftermath of Hillary Clinton’s embarrassing collapse at the 9/11 memorial service, the nutty conspiracies are even more “mainstream” than ever.

I don’t support either major candidate, but I still, naively I guess, believe that the truth matters and that reality shouldn’t be altered simply because it pleases partisan sensibilities (or mental illnesses). Because I have this weird and clearly antiquated (pre-Trump) devotion to facts and logic I don’t subscribe to the nearly universal, knee-jerk reaction of “conservatives” on social media in response to this episode.

The general consensus seems to be that, because Hillary is a lying liar who lies, that her current story that she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, and that this illness help lead to her fainting on Sunday, just cannot possibly be true. Now “conservatives” won’t tell you what they think REALLY is happening with Hillary’s health (some are at least willing to claim, with no real evidence, that she is hiding Parkinson’s disease), but they are positive that the story we are being told is a lie.


http://www.salon.com/2016/09/13/clintons-health-is-obamas-birth-certificate-all-over-again-a-barely-disguised-way-for-conservatives-to-wallow-in-bigotry/

Clinton’s health is Obama’s birth certificate all over again: A barely disguised way for conservatives to wallow in bigotry

The Clinton health hysteria is about painting women as too fragile to be President.

Any other year, a presidential candidate who got wobbly at a 9/11 memorial service because he was battling a minor case of pneumonia would be regaled as a hero. How tough and patriotic he is to brave the summer heat while wearing a Kevlar vest, even though his doctor told him to stay in bed for a couple days!

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You think Hillary would have avoided problems by disclosing on Fri or Sat? You’re wrong. (Original Post) pnwmom Sep 2016 OP
Of course democrattotheend Sep 2016 #1
You are absolutely right! This was the ONLY EVENT that she could not have cancelled. anamandujano Sep 2016 #2
You say that you don’t support either major candidate BlueStateLib Sep 2016 #3
OP doesn't say it. That's the quote from the link in her post. LisaL Sep 2016 #6
Pnwmom is a strong Hillary supporter. MoonRiver Sep 2016 #7
Probably not. But like Biden said, Team Clinton bigwillq Sep 2016 #4
Why? It wouldn't have avoided attacks. And if she had managed to tough it out, pnwmom Sep 2016 #10
It would not have avoided attacks, I agree. bigwillq Sep 2016 #11
When in history have Presidential campaigns been expected to publicly report every infection pnwmom Sep 2016 #12
It should start today. bigwillq Sep 2016 #13
No, it shouldn't. It's too late to introduce a new standard now. And I disagree pnwmom Sep 2016 #14
Agree to disagree it is! bigwillq Sep 2016 #15
We agree on the most important things! pnwmom Sep 2016 #16
This is so true... Mike Nelson Sep 2016 #5
I can totally see her reasoning. She wanted to go to the 9/11 memorial, R B Garr Sep 2016 #8
My dad had Parkinson's and it would be very difficult to keep that hidden for long. tanyev Sep 2016 #9
I agree. My grandma had Parkinson's. bigwillq Sep 2016 #17
And yet that's what many of them are claiming. Every time she nods her head pnwmom Sep 2016 #19
Exactamundo. nt oasis Sep 2016 #18
you are absolutely correct. no matter what she does, the pukes will scream and villify niyad Sep 2016 #20
M$M making a big deal about this. I think reporting historical health records & chronic conditions Bill USA Sep 2016 #21
I agree. Chronic conditions could be important; but not transitory infections. pnwmom Sep 2016 #22

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
1. Of course
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:16 PM
Sep 2016

I have been critical of her in the past for not being transparent and I still am on some things, but not on this. She hid her pneumonia because she didn't want to feed into Trump's ridiculous conspiracy theories about her health. That's completely understandable. Most people applying for a job would not disclose an illness if they knew it would not hinder their ability to do the job. I don't see why the presidency is any different.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
2. You are absolutely right! This was the ONLY EVENT that she could not have cancelled.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:37 PM
Sep 2016

I sincerely believe she would have stayed home to rest for anything else. She has been over doing it so it's no surprise she would have succumbed to something.

She works too hard. She always has.

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
3. You say that you don’t support either major candidate
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:54 PM
Sep 2016

That's music to Trumps ears. I hope you do well under President Trump.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
7. Pnwmom is a strong Hillary supporter.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:00 PM
Sep 2016

I think what you read was written by the author of the link she posted.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
4. Probably not. But like Biden said, Team Clinton
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:56 PM
Sep 2016

should have said something about the situation on Friday.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
10. Why? It wouldn't have avoided attacks. And if she had managed to tough it out,
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:18 PM
Sep 2016

like John Kerry did when he was campaigning with pneumonia, then no one had to know.

I don't think a new standard should be applied to Hillary that has never been applied in history. Presidential candidates have NEVER been expected to report every infection they had while running for office. And they shouldn't have to.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
11. It would not have avoided attacks, I agree.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:26 PM
Sep 2016

But at least if Team Clinton self-reported it, it would have shown they were being proactive about the situation.
By not doing that, it's only their fault. They had to expect the reaction it got.

And I disagree. I think every infection should be reported while running for the highest office in the land, both then and now.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
12. When in history have Presidential campaigns been expected to publicly report every infection
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:28 PM
Sep 2016

a candidate has?

Why should Hillary be subject to a new standard, when Trump hasn't even released real medical information? (Hillary released a 2 page letter, with lab results, similar to the letter released by Obama in 2008. Trump released a 4 paragraph joke.)

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
13. It should start today.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:34 PM
Sep 2016

With Trump and Hillary.
They should both take the lead on this subject.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
14. No, it shouldn't. It's too late to introduce a new standard now. And I disagree
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:37 PM
Sep 2016

with the whole idea that we are entitled to know about every cough and sniffle and (in his case) STD.

There is no reason the public needs to know about every transitory infection.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
15. Agree to disagree it is!
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:39 PM
Sep 2016

That's a good thing about America!

Have a great day. Great thread; I love lively discussions!



GO DEMS!

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
5. This is so true...
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:58 PM
Sep 2016

...and you don't see it discussed much. It doesn't matter when she announced it... they were going to complain. I think Hillary very likely handled it all the best way she could. I am certain following doctor's orders and canceling her 9/11 appearance would have been ridiculed at even more extreme levels.

R B Garr

(16,920 posts)
8. I can totally see her reasoning. She wanted to go to the 9/11 memorial,
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:04 PM
Sep 2016

and she probably got her antibiotics right away on Friday and might have been feeling better already. Then when Sunday came, it turned out to be too much. I'm sure everyone under the sun has fought through an illness to attend an anticipated event.

Yes, this is just hysteria. The fact that she was fully functioning up until her Friday diagnosis and then afterwards until Sunday shows the pneumonia wasn't that debilitating. The conspiracy theorists can go get lost!

tanyev

(42,362 posts)
9. My dad had Parkinson's and it would be very difficult to keep that hidden for long.
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:13 PM
Sep 2016

I know Michael J. Fox managed to keep it quiet for quite a while, but even he had nothing like the public and media scrutiny that Hillary has.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
19. And yet that's what many of them are claiming. Every time she nods her head
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:47 PM
Sep 2016

or pretends to be shocked, they say it's Parkinson's.

niyad

(112,440 posts)
20. you are absolutely correct. no matter what she does, the pukes will scream and villify
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:40 PM
Sep 2016

and rant and rave.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
21. M$M making a big deal about this. I think reporting historical health records & chronic conditions
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 08:08 PM
Sep 2016

is what disclosure of health history means. IT doesn't mean candidates have to disclose, immediately on diagnosis, if the candidate gets a cold, or has a hang-nail.

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