2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhere is Bernie Sanders?
Bernie said that he would do everything in his power to keep Trump from winning the election. Does anyone know if he is campaigning for Hillary and if so, when?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)No video that I saw, but cable news said he was speaking to a rally in New Hampshire.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Day long but not a peep about the presidential election.
Never was much of a team player.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Not two weeks ago
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He is tweeting his ass off about everything BUT the election. Hope he gets his ass in gear soon, but don't see him on the schedule of events at all.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)are mainly coming from younger voters who would have been Bernie supporters. I guess they're still pouting. They don't realize that if she doesn't get into office, they won't get anything at all either. Trump is not running on a platform that will make college free or affordable; and whatever promises he's making most don't jive with Paul Ryan and the GOP's platform of limited government. So they are just cutting off their own noses to spite their face. Perhaps they will learn that lesson further down the road. Change comes in small bites, not big gulps.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)That's interesting. Wish he had adjusted course and been clearer w supporters when he saw how nasty and anti Dem it was all getting. But I guess he thought he could exploit that, or maybe it's really where his head is at. He should be having regrets now and keeping promises. God knows everyone would be hanging HRC by the ankles if she didn't live up to her promises. And by that I mean one appearance in a month- is very far from everything.
I need to take him off my Twitter feed lol.
riversedge
(70,176 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Hillary's margin is narrowing there so hopefully he'll bring some votes to our side.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Not campaigning for Hillary as he had said he would.
molova
(543 posts)Doesn't seem very enthusiastic about Hillary.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Welcome to DU, I guess.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)candidacy for the presidency. Why would they begin now?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Seems the new DU rules frown upon it.
jonno99
(2,620 posts)tonyt53
(5,737 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)We are not allowed to attack Democrats.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)People would be falling all over themselves in gratitude if or when he speaks out on HRC's behalf. But one appearance in six week is not "everything" he can do.
Hopefully he will get it in gear.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)of excuses and talking points in case the unthinkable happens. You can bet your ass that blame will be piled at Bernie's feet.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)where they originated.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)originated in Hillary's campaign in 2008?
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)that permeated this last primary. Many people noticed, believe me.
edit: And Clinton campaigned heavily for Obama. Remember?
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)4 legs good. 2 legs better. Have fun!
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)oasis
(49,365 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)"I've known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. She will make a terrific president, and I am proud to stand with her tonight." How is that not an enthusiastic endorsement?
oasis
(49,365 posts)otherwise they would be featuring him more.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)It may not be about what Bernie would say as much as about concern that he will draw people like the ones who acted up at the convention.
You make a good point though - Bernie's lack of high profile appearances so far might be the Hillary campaign's choice, not his. If so they are making a mistake. Polls show that while most of his supporters are on board with Hillary, a not insignificant chunk are not, and those who are are not enthusiastic enough yet and may not turn out in the numbers she is hoping for.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)In other words, even he would not convince them. Because they were ultimately not in it for his cause, but their own, whatever that may be or have been.
Such folks should just be left to go off on their own, because they're not the kind of allies we need or want. A few cycles of squandering their votes on Jill Stein or whatever new narcissist anti-vax Russia-lover picks up the Green Party baton and they might mature enough to be relevant again.
Beartracks
(12,806 posts)But since the primary is long past, I'm not sure why people seem to be looking for reasons to bash Bernie.
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R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Mostly they use all the attacks he repeated for months. They seem to really like those. But asking him to keep his word about campaigning sure isn't an attack.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)I think Bernie all over the country through the whole season would have resulted in a loss of effect; a fatigue. I'll be very happy to see him do a burst of appearances in October, if that is the plan. I think that would have the most impact.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I think the PA appearance is on Friday.
I am hoping to get enough done today that I can go to the gala tomorrow night. Not looking likely at this point.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Working moms and childcare- but no mention in Hillary there. Which sort of seemed like a weird omission.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Hrmmm...
napi21
(45,806 posts)elleng
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comradebillyboy
(10,134 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And that was pretty shitty. I'm on the fence as to whether he's actually able to be a valuable surrogate.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)not to alienate voters. You are totally right about the effect on her from all the attacks.
bonemachine
(757 posts)The problem is that Hillary was not allowed to run unopposed. That's definitely it.
otohara
(24,135 posts)managed to poison a generation against the Democratic party and thought about making a run against our amazing president in 2012.
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)Voted early ( Ohio ) for Sanders knowing I was going to vote for Hillary in Nov . Shortly after voting I wanted to take my vote back , I was pissed at Sanders the way primary turned into .
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)The problem was not really the fact that he ran against her, but the way he did it. He really damaged her a lot.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)that she cheated. I still hear millennials outraged because Hillary "stole the election"
radius777
(3,635 posts)who pushed most of these ideas.
Team Sanders chances were virtually impossible after March 15th to beat Hillary in pledged delegates, and at that point should've graciously dropped out and endorsed her, yet he continued on, forcing her to spend money, not get enough rest, he launched harsh new attacks ("wall street speeches", "rigged", "superdelegates", "DWS", etc).
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Kali
(55,006 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)The week she entered the race she was at 50% unfavorable. Today she is at 53. The thing about Clinton is pretty much everyone has already made their mind up about her and had years before this election. Her numbers are pretty stable and have been throughout the campaign and in fact for years before this campaign.
That is both a blessing and a curse for her. She doesn't really sink below a certain point but she can't make any significant gains either.
Compare her favorability chart to Bernies and you will see exactly what I am talking about. When you look at Bernies chart it is a constant upward slope as people got to know him both possitive and negative. Clintons by comparison is practically flat.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)just like she did for Obama.
Cattledog
(5,914 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)In 2008 it was in her interest to campaign for Obama because she wanted to run again. I doubt she'd run a third time if she had lost this time.
Bernie campaigned for her last week in New Hampshire and will do so in Pittsburgh on Friday. Have you considered that it might be Clinton's decision and not his not to do additional joint appearances thus far?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"In 2008 it was in her interest to campaign for Obama because she wanted to run again."
I really don't think people get the passion in her heart.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)Sanders primary supporter here, I honestly don't understand the compulsion to constantly smear her.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)her heart out for Bernie had he won the Dem nomination. That she did so for Barack Obama in 2008, was NOT because she was thinking of running again but because she has always been a good team player.
In fact, insofar as her running again after 2008 goes, I happen to know firsthand that as early as 2014, the Ready for Hillary PAC - which she had NO hand in organizing - was literally begging her to run in 2016. She was quite reluctant to do so. She knew from past experience what an uphill battle it would be because of rampant CDS, etc. and her misgivings have been borne out in spades. She was not sure that she wanted to put herself out there again - and, among other things, expose Chelsea and her young family to all the crap.
Thankfully, she did finally accede to the requests and pressure from many and - until this bout of enforced R&R because of pneumonia - has campaigned literally non-stop from the day she announced her run.
You may be correct about mutual decisions not to do lots of joint appearances so far and I note, with you, that Bernie has hardly been absent from the campaign trail on her behalf. But the differences between Hillary's enthusiastic campaigning for Prez O in 2008 and Bernie's comparatively tepid campaigning for Hillary in 2016 have so far been notable. As a start, Hillary conceded her primary defeat MUCH earlier (even though she lost the nomination by a much smaller margin) and appeared on the campaign trail with then-presumptive nominee Obama as early as June 2008, long before the Dem Convention. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2164891/US-Election-2008-Hillary-Clinton-to-join-Barack-Obama-on-campaign-trail-in-White-House-race.html
Like others here, I believe that Bernie will wholeheartedly pitch in with everyone else on Hillary's behalf, likely in October when it may have more effect. And I look forward to that.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)he's not going to run again? Or is this just another unilateral smear about Clinton. You indicate self-interest was the main goal for Clinton, so I'm assuming that goes for Bernie, too. Maybe that's why he has not been as visible. Right?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)uponit7771
(90,323 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)His supporters were extremely passionate. They weren't Luke warm to much of anything. Those emotions didn't just go away. I think Sanders staying low helped to calm and unite quickly. I think it was the best strategy. Moving foward? I don't know. I'm sure he will be at an even here and there.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Wow.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)49 days ago
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)is that they see him as being unable to get the TPP passed despite years of serious effort and popular support for a new trade deal. Hillary's backing away from it didn't help but she did what she had to do. Pretty sorry episode all around.
Donkees
(31,365 posts)pre-election campaigning. He was asked to campaign in NH and did three events there on Sept 5, Labor Day. He'll be doing some smaller events next and then is expected to campaign in Ohio.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)5 events scheduled.
www.democraticunderground.com/12512418654
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Whatever will the haters say now?
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)ard for her.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)How is she supposed to do that when the media is clearly more focused on sensationalizing anything that Trump says or does?
Remember that post DNC bounce? Because everyone saw the real HRC. No competing noise from the blowhard. Unless the coverage is at parity, or even more for HRC since she's been shortchanged since the convention, nothing will change.