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Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 01:27 PM Sep 2016

Ma and Pa want to leave the country if Clinton is elected? Here's the perfect country!

Pakistan.

This may seem surprising at first, but Pakistan is the clear choice for the disgruntled American conservative when you look at it logically.

Pakistan has very low taxes. Less than 2% pay any income tax at all.
The national government is limited and most of the power rests in the states (provinces) which have a great deal of autonomy
Traditional law-and-order justice system. Criminals are not coddled, and they are not set free on technicalities.
Society is based on strong, traditional, religious values. There is prayer in schools, and same-sex marriage is illegal. Divorce is rare, and families stay together.
Abortion is illegal except to save the life of the mother.
Pakistan has a deep respect for the military. Politicians consult with them on any major policy decisions. Hippie-style anti-war advocacy or flag-burning is simply unthinkable.
Pakistanis have tremendous pride in the their country. Patriotism is seen as a virtue and admired.
There are very few environmental and labor regulations to hold back innovation and small businesses.
Strong gun culture. Gun ownership is widespread and an important part of rural life.
Now granted, they will have to convert to Islam to fully enjoy this conservative nation, but if they are willing to renounce their country because their guy didn’t get elected, changing their religion should be a simple matter.

[UPDATE]

Some have interpreted this answer as a joke, but it is not intended in that way. Conservative values are not something unique to America, but are found to differeing degrees in all cultures. I honestly think that as a nation, Pakistan best embodies what American conservatives consider to be traditional conservative values.

It may be amusing to realize that, but it’s not a joke. Devout Muslims value much the same things as devout Christians. The animosity we see is not based on values. It is based on labels.

I stand by this answer. If someone really feels they need to leave the US because it has become too liberal, Pakistan is the ideal destination. I can’t think of a nation that would even be a close second.

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Found this gem at Quora.

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Ma and Pa want to leave the country if Clinton is elected? Here's the perfect country! (Original Post) Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2016 OP
That's great underpants Sep 2016 #1
Well, yeah...but, uhhhhmmmm...uhhhhh...what color are the people? ret5hd Sep 2016 #2
Pakistanis are Caucasian. virgogal Sep 2016 #3
My choice would be Ireland RonniePudding Sep 2016 #4
You must not have ever been outside the USA FreakinDJ Sep 2016 #5
I think you missed the OP's point ProfessorPlum Sep 2016 #7
Thank you! Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2016 #9
Well done. Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #6
I wish I could take credit for this gem. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2016 #8
Makes me think... tralala Sep 2016 #10
Somalia is not an anarchist society by any stretch. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2016 #15
Pardon my ignorance tralala Sep 2016 #16
It's quite complex. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2016 #17
Also, very important to most conservatives these days, Hortensis Sep 2016 #11
Good. Let them go there meow2u3 Sep 2016 #12
Free tickets for all of them! MineralMan Sep 2016 #13
Pakistan doesn't have a WALL...not quite there yet! Sancho Sep 2016 #14
 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
4. My choice would be Ireland
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 01:44 PM
Sep 2016

Somewhere on the Dingle peninsula most likely, or maybe the Aran Islands depending on how quiet I want it.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
5. You must not have ever been outside the USA
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 01:54 PM
Sep 2016

Lots of counties outrank the US in freedom, wage equity,living conditions especially health care and are also ranked better for business climate and global compitiveness

Used to think it was only the Ratpublicons cheerleading America denigrating into 3rd World status but as of late....

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
7. I think you missed the OP's point
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 03:12 PM
Sep 2016

that Pakistan would be an ideal place for conservative values to be lived out.

Freedom, actual freedom being a liberal value, would be more likely found in countries that are truly more free than the US. Sweden, Denmark, etc.

The OP isn't advocating that the US should become more like Pakistan.

tralala

(239 posts)
10. Makes me think...
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 04:22 PM
Sep 2016

.... of those times that Ive told anarchists to move to Somalia if they think anarchy is so wonderful

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
15. Somalia is not an anarchist society by any stretch.
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:51 PM
Sep 2016

Doesn't jive with any of the central tenets of anarchist philosophy.

tralala

(239 posts)
16. Pardon my ignorance
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 09:40 PM
Sep 2016

So whats the difference b/w anarchy and anarchist society? Is one bad and the other good?

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
17. It's quite complex.
Fri Sep 16, 2016, 02:58 PM
Sep 2016

We believe we rule ourselves, democratically. Nothing wrong with the term "anarchy" or "anarchism" - We are socialists who don't believe a state is required or wanted to carry out the emancipation of the working class.

A great read to get you started is:

Anarchism: From Theory to Practice by Daniel Guerin

You'll start to get the idea. Happy reading!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Also, very important to most conservatives these days,
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 04:35 PM
Sep 2016

Pakistan embodies the establishment of the natural order they tend to believe in and which is actually incorporated in both religions. The natural order rewards virtue and punishes lack of it, and government programs that interfere with it always end up in degrading society.

Pakistan is ruled by families which have proven their superiority by accumulation of wealth and power through hard work and their responsibility by their commitment to maintaining the social structure, while the lower orders are naturally encouraged to work hard and live virtuously in order to survive, and hopefully thrive, and the less deserving are punished by failure.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
12. Good. Let them go there
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 05:15 PM
Sep 2016

Pakistan doesn't treat Christians very well; in fact, it has a great number of "radical Islamic terrorists" who like to persecute Christians, but don't tell them yet. Just let them find out for themselves.

They may not even make it back in the States alive. That might teach'em a lesson not to be such fundies.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
13. Free tickets for all of them!
Thu Sep 15, 2016, 07:44 PM
Sep 2016

One-way, of course...

I'm in favor of taxpayer-funded emigration for Republicans. Their tickets are on us!

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