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Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:09 PM

Is the real reason that the Trump camp is spinning the

birther issue to lure the main streamers away from the Fla.bribery story. I have noticed that when a report begins to get some real traction, the Trump camp will turn up the atrociousness of The Trumps comments.
In fact all the media types need do is to stick with one or two disastrous memes and down his house of twigs will burn. to mix a metaphor or two

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ronatchig Sep 2016 OP
PJMcK Sep 2016 #1
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Wellstone ruled Sep 2016 #4
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Response to ronatchig (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:18 PM

1. Perhaps, but Donald Trump may have finally gone too far

His press conference yesterday was a forced error.

He tried to punk the news media: He hinted that he would make a major pronouncement about the "Birther" story but he was an hour late, probably to build the suspense. When he arrived, he talked about his new hotel. Then the armed services veterans spoke and then... FINALLY... he said that he accepts that President Obama was born in the United States. Period.

And then he walked off without taking any questions from the reporters he invited for a press conference.

The media may finally have had enough of Mr. Trump's manipulations:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512423454

It's about time.

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Response to ronatchig (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:27 PM

2. No doubt a yoooge reason. The birther coverage doesn't

hurt him at all. Believers know it's all a big wink-wink to get elected and he's still with him, others who want to be believers are assisted to ignore unpleasant truth.

The question isn't whether the MSM are corrupted but just how and why. Whether 25 years of a biased culture and warped standards centered on the Clintons specifically have converged into a perfect storm in this election or whether secret manipulation is also involved. Even the AP has demonstrated pro-Trump/anti-HRC agendas, using its ability to blanket all of America at once, including all news outlets, with a specific lie or puff job.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:08 PM

4. Who are the real players behind the sceens at these Media outlets and

once you see who they are,well this makes your post well worth the read. Way past time to out these Billionaires and watch is their agendas.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:17 PM

5. The light of honest journalism is inimical to

the kind of manipulations that have been transferring America's wealth and power from The People to the super-rich for the past 35 years and more.

It seems likely that at very least a natural corruption and degradation of purpose by venality in an era taken over by venality was helped along. At very least.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:40 PM

6. Well said.

Our populace is being pick pocketed and fleeced without them being aware. Always remember the phrase,wake up America and pay attention. Your so called Media friends are making you dumb.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 05:58 PM

7. This is well said because it lists examples.

HOWEVER, it's is missing the actual "why." The big story.

The AP, And Why The Press Has Trouble Admitting Its Clinton Mistakes

... As the AP investigation began to crumble last week, I noted that the wire service joined a dubious list of news outlets that have gotten burned chasing bogus Clinton ‘scandal’ stories over the years. And now we’re seeing the postscript to that sad tradition: News outlets which then refuse to admit they botched their Clinton ‘scandal’ stories. There’s a stubborn refusal to clean up their own mess.

For years, The New York Times has refused to acknowledge its rampantly misleading Whitewater coverage from the 1990s, as well as its overall breathless pursuit of Clinton ‘scandal’ stories back then.

Meanwhile, when CBS’ Lara Logan reported a botched Benghazi investigation on 60 Minutes, featuring a bogus “eyewitness” to the terror attack, the network never released a full explanation for how such an obviously flawed report was ever allowed to air. Instead, the network ordered a minimal internal review, released a two-page summary and Logan and a producer took a leave of absence from the program.

By contrast, when CBS faced conservative outrage after airing a flawed report about President Bush's Vietnam War record in 2004, the network appointed former Republican attorney general Richard Thornburgh, to investigate. Thornburgh’s review panel worked for three months, interviewed 66 people, and issued an-often scathing 224-page report. ...


These are only really major examples, of course. We see dozens in daily practice if we look for them. AP blanketed America with a bogus election map in August but didn't excite the anger of the Foundation coverage because it included a more realistic, if canted, map in the article. A piece on the Trump kids was withdrawn, though, because it was...astonishingly flattering. This IS the AP, after all...

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 06:35 PM

8. Will never forget the CBS

debacle of Dan Rather and Bush's fake National Guard Duty. So many honest people were destroyed by the Bush Family as a result. When a personal Golfing Partner is charged with white washing of Rather,and it went to the top dog Redstone,well that pretty much did it for many in this Country.

Many of us remember how the wealthy used their money and influence to keep their baby out of the draft and the new coined phrase,cannon fodder.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 07:26 PM

9. To this day that fake "service" and how it dishonored

the real service of those who assigned to tend W and the rest of those allowed to play and build their resumes in the National Guard makes me angry. Because I dropped out of high school to work full time long before the internet age, I lost track of those in high school with me who honorably served, but I have also always been angry for them.

I thought enough conservatives would be offended by that, including his just going awol, and much else that violated their vaunted values, that he wouldn't be elected. Values were dumped. We have yet to find out how low they'll sink to avoid losing all that is good to the devil Democrats. Mass delusion.

My commitment to equality seems to be...gut deep, party irrelevant. In grade school already I disliked the "royal family" and "Camelot" fantasies about the Kennedys. (Strangely, these days one of my young step relatives is a Kennedy, not that it does her any good. So...good, sort of? Truthfully, I wish it did. )

Btw, cannon fodder is actually a very old term. Before cannons there were undoubtedly others. The crossbow was banned a thousand or so years ago. No doubt for a number of reasons, but one supposedly was that it was too equalizing, allowing people of low birth to take down the Ws of those days, which I suspect was very likely true. Don't you love at least knowing MOOCs are available? Though as a lover of historic fiction I knew the cannon fodder and crossbow things before the one I took on war.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 08:08 PM

10. Having a Brother that battles PTSD yet today

as a take home present from 1967 and Vietnam,still P.O.'s me how his buddy's family was able to buy him out of serving. Who you know and how much will it cost. Political Donation. Enough said.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 04:06 AM

15. Whether we believe in equality is part of

our intrinsic wiring and one of the great differences that cause us to divide into different parties. Thank goodness the faction that did at the beginning of our nation won out then, but with every election the fight continues, some more than others.






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Response to Hortensis (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 12:41 PM

16. So true,and we just

keep on keepin on. Irony of ironies,the person afore mentioned,is now a State Legislator. And so it goes. Not bitching,could be worse and as you say,it is our environment during our formidable years that determines,for the most part,the how and why of our life. Some of us were able to find a change agent through Education or other means,to break free and see the big picture and move through life accordingly.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 12:59 PM

17. We're definitely seeing the problems of bad environmental

influences on the basic genetic personality dispositions people are born with this time around.

I've been listening to young people on the TV talking about their inability to trust Hillary. Some of these kids are probably naturally liberal, but between adults talking about her various crimes all through their childhoods and the other primary candidate claiming that she stole this nomination...for them adverse conditioning pushing them away from the liberal candidate and liberal, progressive programs is winning. They're indoctrinated.

State legislator...

Oh, well. On we slog.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 01:33 PM

18. The Guy is a Assembly-Person in the Dairy State.

Irony turns to reality. And to think,our part of the State was the most Progressive during my youth. And the afor mention Guy is a true Libertarian,but what the heck,his father was a Bundtist during WW2.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 02:25 PM

19. Irony... Well, at least true libertarians are fairly

rare. Most of 'em are temporary conservative poseurs because "libertarian" is supposed to be cool. Hopefully his dad didn't know. As for progressivism, the wheel continues to turn. All the Kochs' money and all the Kochs' men have slowed but haven't been able to stop it.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 03:05 PM

20. His Pappy was a

far right lover of Fascism.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 04:24 PM

21. Oh, sorry, that kind. Sounds like the Kochs senior and junior.

Charles is reportedly very authoritarian, keeping control of Koch Enterprises in his hands, and I suspect he also is a libertarian poseur. He loves to flout the law but has been perfectly willing to accept government "interference" on his behalf when profits are higher or safer that way.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 09:43 PM

11. Your post has the makings of a good ad.

I hope they make one soon so people can appraise the slop we're being fed with new eyes and ears.

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Response to anamandujano (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 10:02 PM

12. Thank you,hope to heck they at least proof read it,

cause I sure as the world blew it.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:07 PM

13. I proofread several times and still typos and wrong tenses skip through unnoticed.

It's hard to proof your own writing. At least we understand what you said.

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Response to anamandujano (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 11:09 PM

14. Thanks you for your support!!

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Response to ronatchig (Original post)

Sat Sep 17, 2016, 04:35 PM

3. Between the people at his campaign, family, and dipshit

He appears to be weak minded. One person will tell him to do this, another something else, and he just wants to run the scam to get other peoples money. No direction in his campaign just run with it. Kind of matches his mental state. If the media can keep up and stick the surrogates to actually answering questions the confusion will die down and maybe they can show what kind of person he is.

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