That explosion was half a mile...

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

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from Chelsea Clinton's apartment that Hillary went to when she got overheated. Hope it's just a coincidence.

Had to come back and edit this original post to clarify things a bit.

Distance from explosion: 4-5 minutes by car in heavy traffic conditions.
Distance from pressure cooker: 1 minute by car in light traffic conditions.

The address of her apartment was posted all over the internet by Trump supporters claiming that there was a hidden medical clinic there. Last night I was thinking out loud after hearing more discussion about how Trump made the comment about Secret Service putting their guns down and "see what happens to her." That area doesn't have any obvious target, and I knew it was in the same area of Manhattan as that apartment. It's probably a coincidence about the location, but I still felt it was worth mentioning.

[elleng]

1. Not sure that's correct,

tho a mile in NYC covers a lot of territory.

OK, 26th Street to 27th Street off Madison Avenue to 23d and 7th.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2313602/Inside-Chelsea-Clintons-10m-luxury-fortress-stretches-entire-New-York-City-block--time-doorman-just-units.html

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

2. It was about a half mile

The address of the explosion CNN gave is a half mile from the address posted all over the internet as being Chelsea's apartment. I looked on a map it's very close.

[elleng]

3. Yes, checked.

Her address: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2313602/Inside-Chelsea-Clintons-10m-luxury-fortress-stretches-entire-New-York-City-block--time-doorman-just-units.html

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

4. This shows how close it is...

[Renew Deal]

5. That's a long way in NYC.

[stevenleser]

18. You beat me to it. Was about to say the same thing. nt

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

6. Possible second device on 27th street

just reported on CNN

[bettyellen]

7. Shit, this is by my current commute and now also by my old college campus.

Fuck whoever did this.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

9. Sounds like they have lots of streets blocked off

You'll want to check alternate routes if you have to go through there soon.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Manhattan Island is 2.3 miles wide at its widest point, and 13.4 miles long north to south

an awful lot of things are less than a mile from each other.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

10. The explosion was a 10 minute walk from her door.

Her apartment faces Madison Square Park. The location of the explosion was on the street on the other side of that park and a few buildings past 6th st. which is just one st. away from Chelsea's block.

[stevenleser]

22. That's a long distance in NYC. Neighborhoods change drastically in that time/distance.

What you are positing is the equivalent in suburbia of targeting someone by attacking a house in the neighboring town.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

30. Her apartment is just a 1 minute drive to where the pressure cooker was found.

I don't care how populated an area is...that is still CLOSE. Jesus.

[stevenleser]

32. Nope, its not close, not at all. See my #31 below. nt

[name not needed]

36. I take it you've never driven in Manhattan.

[pangaia]

55. I am not sure what your point is.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

62. I was basically just thinking outloud when I started this thread

I remembered seeing her address posted everywhere when her mother rested there. When I looked up the explosion location I saw it was just up the street from the Madison Square Park, which Chelsea's apt. overlooks. People had been talking about Trump's latest veiled incitement of the NRA types and I just thought to myself that I hope one of Trumps crazy supporters wasn't out planting stuff near there. Maybe I should not have thought outloud but I thought people might be interested in knowing how close this was to that apartment.

That's all it was...and I would not have responded if not for all the comments trying to say it's really far away and like another state or something. Now if I'm really wrong on something then I welcome being corrected...but physical distances do not become longer and further away based on how many people are crammed into the area. The person didn't leave the bombs 4 people, doors or buildings apart...it was 4 streets. Chelsea's apartment is 2 streets away from where the pressure cooker was found. Not sure how anyone is unwilling to consider that as being close, but whatever.

I'm going to attempt to just stop responding to this thread at this point. I love to debate, though, so hopefully everyone else will just let it sink, lol.

[pangaia]

63. "I'm going to attempt to just stop responding to this thread at this point."

That would be a good choice.

And it is easy to do.. All you have to do is.... stop.

[FreeState]

41. This n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Oh for Gods sake

[Wilms]

12. Well, in that case, there's only one thing to do!

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

13. OK, so one explosion and a pressure cooker wired up like a bomb both only a couple of blocks away

From Chelsea's apartment and we should not even mention it?

I know NY is big but her apartment is at 5th and 26th. The first bomb was one block up and three very narrow streets over. The second device was found on the street in the back of her building and between 6th and 7th streets. Her apartment is in the area where people are not allowed to drive through for safety reasons.

A guy was interviewed who was all the way up on 10th street and could feel the explosion. I am also not panicking...I was pointing out that this happened pretty close to her apartment, and that address has been circulating around by whack job Trump supporters claiming that it's a secret medical facility. With crap he's been saying you never know what some crazed nutjob could do.

[Wilms]

14. Above was mentioned the density of NYC.

It is a BIG city and lots of stuff goes on there all the time.

I'm more concerned about Secret Service's ability to impress Trump that some of his rhetoric is at best questionable.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

15. I understand that...I have been there before

The point I am attempting to make is that the explosion and the device are very close to that apartment. By very close I mean that the explosion was 3-4 traffic lights away and the second device was found 2-3 traffic lights away from her building. Her building is on 26th in between Madison Ave. and 5th. The explosion was on 23rd. There are only 9 or 10 buildings between the corner of 23rd and corner of 26th. The explosion happened a little up 23rd beyond the intersection with 6th. The pressure cooker device was found even closer...on 27th (one building behind hers with entrance on 27th) and between 6th and 7th, which starts about 10 or so buildings away from her building. The explosion was a 3 minute bike ride away from her address. That is 180 seconds...which is pretty damn close.

[Wilms]

17. Well, like I said.

Then there's only one thing to do.

[JHB]

24. In the context of NYC, they are NOT "very close"...

Maybe for large military ordinance and nukes, but not for an explosion this size.

Unless there was reason to believe that Chelsea or someone else connected to Clinton would be in the blast area at the time of detonation, the possibility that it was intended to target or intimidate the Clintons is infinesimal.

There are dozens, possibly thousands, of motives that are more likely.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

25. A 3 minute bike ride away is a 3 minute bike ride away.

A 10 minute walk on the sidewalk is a 10 minute walk on the sidewalk. There are 4 traffic lights between her apartment and where the explosion happened and 3 traffic lights between her apartment and where the pressure cooker device was found.

Chelsea lives on 26th between Madison and 5th avenue, across the street from Madison Square Park. The Madison Square Park sits between 26th and 23rd. The explosion happened on 23rd between 6th and 7th. The second device was found on 27th...the street that runs along the the building directly behind her apartment between 6th and 7th. Now, I am in no way saying that anyone is trying to harm Chelsea. My thinking was more along the lines of how Trump made the "see what happens to her." comment and it was publicized all over radical nutter sites the address of that apartment. I was wondering out loud if perhaps some Trump nutter could have planted devices around that area to try to intimidate or scare Clinton since that is where her kid and grandchild live. There isn't any obvious target where they were found.

[stevenleser]

31. No, they are really not the same. A 3 minute bike ride in the suburbs and you are in the

same neighborhood. A 3 minute bike ride in a rural area and you may not have made it to the next house.

A 3 minute bike ride or 10 minute walk in Manhattan and you have changed neighborhoods twice and passed the dwellings of 75,000 - 150,000 people.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

34. Same neighborhood

Explosion was on the street on the opposite end of the park just outside her front door and up one intersection.
Pressure cooker was up one intersection on the street of the building directly behind hers.

Pressure cooker location is ONE MINUTE by car in light traffic. Sixty seconds. How on earth can anyone think that is like 50 miles away or being in another state?

[stevenleser]

35. Not the same neighborhood. She does not live in Chelsea, she lives in Midtown south.

Which is the point I have been making.

Midtown south is a very different neighborhood and not like Chelsea at all.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

38. She's not in midtown south...it's actually the Flatiron district which abuts Chelsea

Midtown south ends at like 30th. She's on 26th midway between Madison and 5th.

I guess those 3 or 4 street lights must be really, really far apart.

Why the bloody hell is it SO hard for anyone on here to recognize that a half mile of road/sidewalk is not all that far? Good gravy, Mavis.

[JHB]

39. Because we've walked those sidewalks, we know the area...

...and can evaluate your proposition.

If I may use your terms, "Why the bloody hell is it SO hard for (you) to recognize that" people who are familiar with the place think your proposition is highly unlikely. "Good gravy, Mavis."

[stevenleser]

40. If you actually lived in Manhattan, you would never make the argument

The neighborhood Chelsea ends at 6th avenue. Chelsea Clinton lives two avenues beyond that on Madison avenue. And you can clearly see on this map that this is Midtown South.



The Flatiron district goes from 20th to 26th street and that is being generous. Some folks say Flatiron ends at 23rd street. Chelsea lives between 26th and 27th streets on Madison Ave. She is just north of the Flatiron district.

As I said, you bike 3 minutes in Manhattan and you end up two neighborhoods away.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

43. Again...26th st. between Madison and 5th is Flatiron

http://www.nycgo.com/articles/must-see-flatiron-district-slideshow




http://www.downtownmagazinenyc.com/chelsea-clinton-whitman-condo-flatiron-district/

[stevenleser]

44. She doesnt live on 26th street. She lives on Madison between 26th and 27th streets. nt

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

45. She lives on 26th st.

The address is 21 E. 26th St. and it is midway between Madison and 5th. Her apt. actually takes up the whole block so the rear of it overlooks 27th, which is on the same street that pressure cooker was found....a couple of intersections away. But yeah, not close at all...like a whole other state.

[stevenleser]

47. Yes, and my mother's address is 327 Central Park west but you enter on 93rd street. Again, you have

to know something about Manhattan to comment on stuff like this.

Googling won't do it for you.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

50. Then why did Hillary exit a door directly across from the Madison Square Park on 26th street?

Here's a video. Notice the linea sign on the door? Go to 21 E. 26th st. street view and you will see that same sign. Once again...Chelsea lives on E. 26th St. which is in Flatiron District, which includes 23rd, where the explosion happened. It was just over 6th, so if it's not her neighborhood it was just a few paces out of it.

[stevenleser]

51. Because most NYC luxury buildings have multiple entrances. nt

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

53. Doesn't change the fact that the address is 26th st.

Not sure why you refuse to accept fact.

Here is a little more proof for you.

http://www.elliman.com/new-york-city/the-whitman-21-east-26th-street-manhattan

http://therealdeal.com/2014/10/28/a-peek-at-the-nyc-building-j-lo-and-chelsea-clinton-call-home/

[stevenleser]

54. Doesnt change the fact that the apartment is between 26th and 27th street. nt

[pangaia]

60. God, unbelievable, is it not..

You have more patience than I do..

I think there is a name for this but I won't mention it. :&gt )

It HAS been a bit entertaining. Thanks for keeping with it.



Oh, I will be staying in Chelsea for a couple days in early Oct. Do you think I should wear body armor and carry a pike? You know, just in case. Having lived in the city for 4 years and going back several times a year I know, one can never be TOO careful.
Oh, I will be driving. Don't want to take any chances on plane hijackers either.

[JHB]

66. Body armor and a pike will be fine. If any one looks at you funny...

...just say you're going to the New York Comic Con over in Javits.

[pangaia]

70. Good idea.. Or I could just stick them with the pike.

[pangaia]

61. God, unbelievable, is it not..

You have more patience than I do..

I think there is a name for this but I won't mention it. :&gt )

It HAS been a bit entertaining. Thanks for keeping with it.



Oh, I will be staying in Chelsea for a couple days in early Oct. Do you think I should wear body armor and carry a pike? You know, just in case. Having lived in the city for 4 years and going back several times a year I know, one can never be TOO careful.
Oh, I will be driving. Don't want to take any chances on plane hijackers either.

[stevenleser]

71. LOL, I know. Insufferable.

Yes, wear body armor, hire a bodyguard, and make sure you are driving one of those armored Mercedes.

LMAO

[JHB]

37. Let me ask: How often are you in that area? How well do you know it?

I'm in NYC every day and in that area at least once a month. I have been in the exact place of the blast area at least 5 times since June. Been under that scaffolding, passed by those dumpsters. IIRC, I once tossed a coffee cup into one. I am familiar with the area.

There is nothing about that spot that would have any connection to Chelsea's apartment north of the far side of Madison Square park.

Unless someone had advanced knowledge that Chelsea or some Clinton-related person would be in that area at that time (and this appears to not be the case), the probability that it was in any way targeting or intended to intimidate the Clintons is infinitesimal.

Connecting them is not a reasonable proposition, which is what I and others have been stressing.

Unless, of course, he was the World's Dumbest Bomber. There's no accounting for stupidity.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

42. What about the bomb placement or location of the second device makes sense?

Unless the same person/company owns both locations and a disgruntled employee or something did this then the location makes no sense. There are plenty of other locations that would be targeted for flat out terrorism. The alt right have been spamming Chelsea's address all over the web for the last week. My thinking out loud was basically moving along the lines of some whackadoodle doing this to try to intimidate or scare Hillary in some way.

I certainly didn't expect to be at the bottom of a pig pile over showing concern for Hillary's family. I can assure you that if it were my daughter and grandchild living at that location I would be concerned for their safety even being no one of significance. But then again...I am a mother and grandmother, so maybe that is part of it.

[JHB]

46. That place is not close enough to be connected either

It is possible there is a connection related to business. Or, both locations had a convenient spot to leave an explosive device.

There is no particular reason to connect either of them to Clinton or Chelsea due to an applies-just-as-much-or-more-to-tens-of-thousands-of-other-people proximity.

The "dogpile" isn't about your concern. It's about your sticking to this despite people who are in a position to evaluate it better saying that your worries were not particularly warranted given the realities of the area.

An "Oh, OK. Whew." would end it.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

48. I wasn't really trying to tie them to Chelsea or Clinton, though

All I was saying is that they were pretty close to where she lives and that I hope it didn't mean anything. It wasn't until people started arguing that just because there are lots of people and buildings that it's not really close. That's a really stupid argument. If there is a big explosion the number of people or congestion doesn't somehow make it less dangerous or serious. I'm just outside a major city and I go into the city to do things and there are times I have had to park and walk further away than that apartment is to where that pressure cooker was found. A half mile of sidewalk is a half mile of sidewalk. It was not just ONE single device. There were 2 and at one point last night they thought there was another one even closer at 28th and 5th.

[JHB]

67. Ok. Will "no, it it doesn't mean anything" be sufficient?

[pangaia]

58. Four hours since your last comment and you are still at it.

I think you should call the Secret Service right away and let them know what they are obviously missing..

[pangaia]

57. Gee whiz, are you like this ALL the time?

Have a bourbon. I wold recommend Bookers.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

64. I don't drink. And no, I'm not...

If I know that I am right about something I will argue a point into the ground. I was a competitive debater too, lol.

I have not been sitting here for 4 hours, either. Hell, over those 4 hours I took a shower, went to the grocery store, walked the dog, cooked burgers on the grill, read to my grandson, did the dishes and re-arranged the living room.

Look at it this way...I've yet to meet a Trump supporter I couldn't wear down and get to shut up, lol.

[pangaia]

65. OKAY..

1- "Competitive debater" But when one is a good debater, one must be able to take either side and win, even if one believes the position is wrong. Sort of like a lawyer. So are you just 'debating' for the sake of argument?

2-You are wrong about this, as wrong as one could be.

[pangaia]

56. You mean " all the way DOWN on 10th street."

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

16. 3rd device at 28th and 5th...

...

[stevenleser]

19. Link? I am not seeing any mention of that. nt

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

21. That one turned out to be a false alarm

When I went to bed last night they had found something suspicious at 28th and 5th. This morning I read somewhere that it was en empty briefcase and turned out to be nothing.

[stevenleser]

20. I'm much more concerned this is somehow aimed at the LGBT Community

Chelsea is known for being LGBT friendly and for being socially diverse and inclusive.

White supremacists or other homophobes might be behind his for that reason.

No one knows yet.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

23. My gut instinct made me wonder if Trump's irresponsible inciteful comments

May have inspired some radical whackadoodle supporter of his to plant devices around where Hillary's loved ones live since the address was posted all over the internet with claims it is a medical clinic of some sort. I'm sure she is safe...I was just thinking out loud about what the motivation could be. I found it curious that the press conference mentioned "political" motivations as one of the things they are looking at.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

27. Where did anyone imply they were?

Yet again...since Chelsea's address was spammed all over the interwebs by the alt right last week I was thinking outloud that I hope this is not one of Trump's nutters responsible. But hey, Trump inciting stuff by his crazies is nothing to put any thought into, right?

[Sunlei]

28. Entire area is covered with security cameras. They'll catch them.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

29. a 1/2 mile in NYC has no significance

It would be like saying something happened 50 miles away from a home in another state.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

33. A 1 minute drive by car in NY under current traffic conditions is like 50 miles away?

OK.

[kentuck]

49. I heard someone report this morning that...

the explosion was directly across the street from Josh Marshall's apartment, the editor of talking points memo.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

52. Not familiar with him...is he more friendly to one side over the other?

During one of the press conferences there was a vague mention of not knowing if it's politically motivated. Do you know of anyone else that lives in that general area?

Thank you for sharing that. I'll definitely look into it.

[underpants]

59. Yes he posted on it. It was also across the street from public housing for the blind

Marshall mentioned that in his post. It's called Selis Manor. Public housing for the blind and vision impaired.

[JHB]

68. That's slightly garbled, underpants...

Marshall is the one who lives across the street from where the explosion too place.

The explosion was in one of the dumpsters in front of the Selis Manor building. The dumpsters have been there for months while some sort of renovation is being done. It's a fairly large building, and based on the reports that say the explosion was "near" 131 E. 23rd (the much smaller neighboring building), it was probably near the corner of Selis Manor, away from the entrance.

[underpants]

69. Sorry. I was trying to make two points.

He did post that the explosion was across the street from where he lives AND it was "
The building where this happened (or immediately in front of this building) is a large, old-style institutional home for the blind."


His post last night

His follow up post