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Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:22 PM

Is the Hillary Campaign trying to win back OH and ensure Florida goes blue?

Or is it too late?

Are there campaign speeches planned? GOTV? Ads? Is the RNC just slamming the hell out of the airwaves to get this shift? I'm not sure I fully understand how so many swing states became so competitive in these last couple of weeks. I'm also wondering what is being done to try to turn the tide. Is Ohio a lost cause? Is Iowa a lost cause?

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Reply Is the Hillary Campaign trying to win back OH and ensure Florida goes blue? (Original post)
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 OP
William769 Sep 2016 #1
RKP5637 Sep 2016 #32
Botany Sep 2016 #2
underthematrix Sep 2016 #4
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #6
imanamerican63 Sep 2016 #60
geek tragedy Sep 2016 #10
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #23
geek tragedy Sep 2016 #25
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #48
LAS14 Sep 2016 #49
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #50
vlyons Sep 2016 #52
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #54
JustAnotherGen Sep 2016 #59
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #61
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #3
Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #8
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #22
radius777 Sep 2016 #24
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #29
radius777 Sep 2016 #33
onehandle Sep 2016 #30
vadermike Sep 2016 #5
ladym55 Sep 2016 #7
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #9
ladym55 Sep 2016 #12
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #21
MoonRiver Sep 2016 #43
moonscape Sep 2016 #18
we can do it Sep 2016 #58
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #11
leebaba1992 Sep 2016 #13
vadermike Sep 2016 #15
triron Sep 2016 #35
vadermike Sep 2016 #14
radius777 Sep 2016 #28
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #16
Eric J in MN Sep 2016 #17
stopbush Sep 2016 #19
vadermike Sep 2016 #20
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #26
Democat Sep 2016 #38
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #42
La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2016 #27
still_one Sep 2016 #31
Gothmog Sep 2016 #34
triron Sep 2016 #36
MyNameIsKhan Sep 2016 #37
OnDoutside Sep 2016 #41
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #46
DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2016 #39
BlueMTexpat Sep 2016 #40
NCTraveler Sep 2016 #44
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #45
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #47
liberal N proud Sep 2016 #51
Skoods Sep 2016 #53
On the Road Sep 2016 #55
Demsrule86 Sep 2016 #62
pnwmom Sep 2016 #56
we can do it Sep 2016 #57
MyNameGoesHere Sep 2016 #63
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #64
triron Sep 2016 #65
Jamaal510 Sep 2016 #66
Coyotl Sep 2016 #67
Farmgirl1961 Sep 2016 #68

Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:24 PM

1. Florida will go blue again.

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Response to William769 (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:32 PM

32. K&R !!! n/t

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:24 PM

2. Troll much?

Trump has 0 chance in Ohio.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:25 PM

4. Thank you

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:26 PM

6. no trolling for me

I am sincere in asking this question. Perhaps it is true that the polling is faulty; I sure hope so. I hear the MSM meme and see on several polling websites that Ohio is light red. So I ask in earnest what activities are going on in Ohio, and in other swing states that are now leaning toward Trump -- how to ensure they go blue.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:26 AM

60. I asked the same question last week.

And was told I was a troll! It sounds like they are trolling you and me? You ask a significant question and they try to tear people down.

If they think Hillary has this, better get real! It going down to wire!

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:31 PM

10. Wishful thinking.

 

The Clinton campaign is pessimistic about both Ohio and Iowa, which Obama also won twice. Public polls show Trump ahead in both and comfortably so in Iowa, an overwhelmingly white state and one of the only battleground states in which the Republican establishment has fully embraced Trump. A Monmouth University survey this week showed Trump ahead of Clinton there, 45 percent to 37 percent, with Johnson running in third, at 8 percent.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-trump-rises-in-battleground-states-clinton-moves-to-block-his-path-to-270

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:03 PM

23. I saw that too and that's what prompted my asking

and wondering if Ohio and/or Iowa were a "lost cause"...

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:05 PM

25. Lost cause, no.

 

But currently not close enough for the ground game to matter.

The race has changed several times already. Very volatile electorate.

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Response to Botany (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:48 AM

48. Yeah

Another with less than 200 posts spreading doom and gloom. Funny we have all these 'new' posters who sort of sound like some who left after the primary.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #48)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:55 AM

49. If we can't discuss questions like this on DU, where can we?

I have a LOT more than 200 posts.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #49)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:33 AM

50. Discuss what? I saw no question

Just saw another poster spreading doom and gloom. I have no desire to criticize the campaign at this point and demoralize voters...I don't trust those who seem bent on this sort of thing.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #50)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:41 AM

52. well maybe you can't read

I saw a question, which was: what's the Clinton campaign doing in 2 specific states? I have no problem with this question. I don't experience it as gloom & doom. I experience it as a warning to not get complacent.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:48 AM

54. Amen

Sometimes it is so hard to get an accurate read with all the wacky polls. I'm in Oregon and far away from the ground game in these battleground states. I'm inspired to do whatever I can to help and also stay informed. I'm relying on other DU members to help inform me about what's going on elsewhere.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #54)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:14 AM

59. Call from out of state

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/forms/volunteer/


They will put you in touch with precinct captains who could use an extra voice.


Me - I'm driving folks to the polls in the state next door.


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Response to vlyons (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:21 PM

61. I have to laugh at that.

I once took a month long vacation for saying pretty much the same thing during the primary...lucky for you I am not so touchy...however, I still see no point.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:24 PM

3. I have a second question that relates to polling

Hillary had a slight uptick on Nate Silver 538. But with several swing state in play, how can these poll numbers start to get back up to a more comfortable margin?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:30 PM

8. It would help if you joined the campaign.

You don't need to live in a swing state to help there. Contact the campaign and they can train you make calls to likely voters. If you have a cell phone, long distance is free. I'm sure they would be grateful for the help.

If you wonder what will change things - just go look in the mirror.

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Response to Blue Idaho (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:02 PM

22. I spent four hours making calls today in Oregon

I know, I know -- Oregon is already blue. I will definitely consider contacting the campaigning and get myself trained to make calls in a critical swing state. I'm out of town for the next couple of days and will do it when I get back. Is it through the HRC campaign/website?

One of the issues I have is that I'm on PST versus EST or CST, so the timing can be a bit tricky.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:04 PM

24. Easy. If Dems/H get their act together,

start pounding a harder message, box Trump in (like they're doing with the birther issue), and if she wins the debates and makes him look like the fool he is.

Remember, the current stretch of polls are reflective of a low point in her campaign.

The fundamentals and the trendline still shows her with the electoral advantage in this race.

She has many more paths to victory than Trump does, who essentially must win every swing state to have a chance.

Obama will help her to re-assemble the Obama coalition, and if she does this, game over.

Also immigrants and latinos are turning out in force to vote against Trump, and this will help her in FL, which if she wins, she will be the next president, even if Trump wins OH.

Latino vote will sink Trump in Florida - Univision

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Response to radius777 (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:16 PM

29. I agree that Dems have the advantage and that the Dems/H need to really get their act together

I sure hope that the Latino vote will sink Trump in Florida.

I sure hope that Obama wil help her to re-assemble the Obama coalition.

I know that the fundamentals and trendline are still in her favor but Trump and gang are ruthless and relentless - a friggin' bunch of crooks. I also worry that if the numbers get 'close enough', it's much easier to steal the election through voter disenfranchisement.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #29)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:40 PM

33. Team Blue is much stronger than Team Red

The final two weeks or so of the election are in some ways a replay of the convention, where the biggest stars for each party are on full display.

As we saw, the Dems have alot of star-power (a sitting president, a former president, their families, etc) while the GOP convention was a freak show, and is divided, where even big establishment GOP figures refuse to endorse their nominee.

Hillary got a stronger and longer post-convention bounce than Trump got, and if a similar dynamic plays out in the final weeks of the election, Hillary will be the next president easily.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:23 PM

30. Hillary is up 8 points in PA. Trump has a zero chance of winning without PA. nt

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:26 PM

5. I think

FL is going back our way IA may be gone OH will be close but im not sure ,, we look great in PA... VA too CO is close we should hold it and NH But this is a scary election

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:27 PM

7. Say what??????

Let's see just this past weekend--Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Chelsea Clinton were all barnstorming Ohio. Hillary has 54 offices in Ohio, and they are busting butt and have been since early summer. The Clinton campaign is taking Ohio very seriously and working very hard.

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Response to ladym55 (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:30 PM

9. Glad to hear this. Very glad to hear this.

Do you know if either the POTUS or FLOTUS are planning to do any campaigning in Ohio or other swing states?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:34 PM

12. POTUS already in Pennsylvania this week

And blasted Trump's socks off. It got lots of coverage. We'll see more of both of them between now and November. Joe Biden is also on the trail.

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Response to ladym55 (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:59 PM

21. Yes, I know that Obama was in Philadelphia

I was wondering more about Ohio...and Florida...and maybe Iowa???

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:14 AM

43. A poll that came out today has Hillary ahead by 8 in PA. Up 6 in MN.

Don't despair. Things are swinging back out way!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/pres_general/

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Response to ladym55 (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:44 PM

18. Yeah - I read that the fact Clinton has such an organized

ground game and Trump has none, alone can make a 1% difference.

Wonder if polling models account for that?

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Response to ladym55 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:06 AM

58. Thank you!

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:34 PM

11. Welcome to DU

 

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:38 PM

13. She is up 4 in the new head to head

 

On morning star. If this keeps up then Ohio will be in play

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Response to leebaba1992 (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:38 PM

15. What poll is

This are they reputable ?

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Response to leebaba1992 (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 11:52 PM

35. Please

post link.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:38 PM

14. I can't

Imagine OH being totally gone as Hillary campaign is working it hard with surrogates and 54 offices But that article scares me it sounds like the campaign believes OH is too far gone ? Or am o misreading ?

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Response to vadermike (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:12 PM

28. OH will be in play to the end, it is

much more diverse (has several cities) than IA, which is probably a lost cause.

And Hillary has consistently held leads in OH, aside from the past week or two which were a low point in the campaign.

As long as H/Dems get their game back on track, imo, she should win OH.

I also just can't see H losing Florida, latino turnout will be higher than normal.

And if she wins FL she is the next president easily.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:41 PM

17. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders were in OH this weekend. NT

NT

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:45 PM

19. Hillary will win OH and PA comfortably.

Take a chill pill and enjoy what's left of the weekend.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 09:48 PM

20. PA

I agree but what makes you think that about OH ? I hope you are right !!

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Response to vadermike (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:08 PM

26. ...

 

Laying it on a little thick today, bud. You only need one "I'm very worried, but I hope it goes OK" reply per "We're losing" thread. More than that and folks might start wondering.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:31 AM

38. "Donald Trump is teflon, we're so screwed!"

These guys won't stop. Probably because they're getting paid.

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Response to Democat (Reply #38)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:02 AM

42. So transparent

 

I love the ones that joined in October or November 2012. They obviously came here to crow about a Romney victory, and they must have been simmering for four fucking years! Clown ass behavior. By the way, ahem, October 5, 2012 for that one.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:12 PM

27. No, she's given up and gone to take a nap.

 

lol

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 10:24 PM

31. LOL

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Sun Sep 18, 2016, 11:24 PM

34. Concern trolling is not appropriate

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:02 AM

36. not

directly connected but Sam Wang has Hillary at 87% Bayesian prob. of winning the GE now (an uptick)

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:04 AM

37. I donot know about Florida but Ohio is not a 6points gap as per Selzer...

They are Even and Hillary will pick this state up...

I know about Ohio demographics internally... see below..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512419860

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:19 AM

41. Thanks, I hadn't seen that. I think we will know a lot more by Oct 1, once the first debate is over

and the polls following it are out.

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Response to MyNameIsKhan (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:42 AM

46. I agree. I am from Ohio.

I live in Cortland...between Warren and Youngstown...about an hour out of Pittsburgh and Cleveland. We have quite a few Hillary signs now and more telling... the two neighbors on my street have taken down their Trump signs.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 12:31 AM

39. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 03:11 AM

40. Does the sun rise in the East?

Hillary is running a 50-state campaign. She is taking nothing - and no state - for granted, just as she did in the primaries and she and her team will be working their hearts out everywhere.

Please try these remedies and then sign up with your local Dem party to help elect not just Hillary, but down-ticket candidates as well.



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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:53 AM

44. Or is it too late?

 

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:28 AM

45. Oh please.

I suggest you read about the electoral college. And no, despite the polls some which did not even poll Cuyahoga country (Cleveland) and used only those above the age of 50, Ohio is not lost. I live in Ohio. And as I have tried to point out, Bush barely won (or did he?) with the old electoral map which depended on Ohio and Florida...since then the map has changed. The Dems start with about 240 electoral votes and need only a couple of states to win...and I highly doubt the orange Cheeto will run the table. So despite all the heavy lifting for Trump by the media ( I will never forgive them) and the so-called BOB voters (self-centered voters who don't give a damn about those who would be harmed by a Trump presidency)...certainly not followers of Sen. Sanders, Donald Trump will lose and badly in my opinion. He is racist scum and so are his followers...deplorable in all ways.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:43 AM

47. 178 posts and here you are

spreading doom and gloom? well, well.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:35 AM

51. Ohio a lost cause?

kind of shit is that?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:43 AM

53. Too late?

 

What? The first debate hasn't even happened. You guys and gals are overreacting to a few polls. Look at the swing just last week. It proved it can and probably will swing again.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:55 AM

55. I Agree with Your Drift

I am not sure the shift in polling is being adequately addressed.

There is plenty of time for that, but what worries me is that Clinton seems to be attempting to make gains by embracing the Sanders contingent rather than independents and conservative Democrats. That strategy does not usually work in swing states.

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Response to On the Road (Reply #55)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:31 PM

62. Really because I have seen others

say it is exactly the opposite...and who have a fit if it appears that Clinton is moving right....this is bullshit anyway because Clinton is going to win and there is no crisis, no need to panic...I must grab my fainting couch for all the angst.


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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:03 AM

56. Are you aware that those states are critical for Trump but she could win without them?

Yes, she's working hard in those states, but the critical state is Pennsylvania. Without Pennsylvania, he has almost no chance.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 11:05 AM

57. Are you serious?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 07:33 PM

63. Yes the end is near.

I suggest we all go to the nearest suicide booth and bail out now.

Or.

I could use my Sky glue and glue the sky together, again,

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 08:07 PM

64. How goes the ground game in OH?

I have sparse internet today. Nate Silver 538 website is driving me nuts. Hillary tracked up a bit and now is back down... What the hell is going on there?

Where do the gains need to be made to get those prediction numbers back up?

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Reply #64)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:05 PM

65. Sam Wang

has her back up to 88% Bayesian.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Mon Sep 19, 2016, 09:10 PM

66. We're giving up

on OH and FL already after one good-ish week of polls for Trump? The debates haven't even started.

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Response to Farmgirl1961 (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:11 AM

67. It's not to late to reword that so it sounds like you are a cheerleader, not a Debbie Downer.

 

More like Trump wished he could win Florida and Ohio. Nader isn't running, thew greens nominated a wacko, Johnson is taking voters from Trump, the demographic has shifted in favor of the Dems, and then there is Trump, single handedly polarizing whole groups to vote against him because he hates them.

Where have you been? Let me guess, in front of a T-V.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #67)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:09 AM

68. I don't own a TV , thank goodness for that

I go to several different websites. I check the MSN with a grain of salt, then go to Daily Kis, TMP, come to DU and see what folks are saying. The past week the electoral map had some significant shifts in swing states, which prompted my question. But yeah, I can see I was in a pessimist mood when I framed it. That wasn't my intention. What I really want to know, from folks living in these critical swing states, is what you are hearing and seeing.

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