2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumfrom Robert Reich
I finally found a Trump supporter -- this morning when I went to buy coffee. (I noticed a Trump bumper sticker on his car.)
Hi, I said. Noticed your Trump bumper sticker.
Yup, he said, a bit defensively.
I hope you dont mind my asking, but Im curious. Why are you supporting him?
I know hes a little bit much, said the Trump supporter. But hes a successful businessman. And we need a successful businessman as president.
How do you know hes a successful businessman? I asked.
Because hes made a fortune.
Has he really? I asked.
Of course. Forbes magazine says hes worth four and a half billion.
That doesnt mean hes been a success, I said.
In my book it does, said the Trump supporter.
You know, in 1976, when Trump was just starting his career, he said he was worth about $200 million, I said. Most of that was from his father.
That just proves my point, said the Trump supporter. He turned that $200 million into four and a half billion. Brilliant man."
But if he had just put that $200 million into an index fund and reinvested the dividends, hed be worth twelve billion today, I said.
The Trump supporter went silent.
"And he got about $850 million in tax subsidies, just in New York alone," I said.
More silence.
"He's not a businessman," I said. "He's a con man. "Hope you enjoy your coffee."
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Coyotl
(15,262 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts).... piece by piece.
tRump has 4 billion (if that) bu borrowing it not liquid cash
still_one
(92,138 posts)mindset that hit the 69-year-old woman protester using an oxygen tank a few days ago.
It would also be difficult, if not impossible, to have a discussion with a trump supporter who subscribes to racist, sexist, xenophobic views as their most important reason for supporting trump.
In other words, I believe the majority of those aligning with trump are not because they view him as successful, but because of his bigotry
sarae
(3,284 posts)aggiesal
(8,911 posts)run like a business.
I hate when I hear people say this.
They are two mutually exclusive entities.
Businesses sell product and make money or not.
Governments collect taxes and use that money for the betterment of everyone!
Huge difference.
phallon
(260 posts)You spent the last year tearing the Clinton's a new one.
Glad you finally showed up. Who are you voting for?
elleng
(130,865 posts)He carefully expressed his misgivings.
He is voting for Hillary Clinton.
I read his economic critiques all year. Still disagree with you
elleng
(130,865 posts)Hillarys speech last night was designed to appeal to everyone, including Bernie supporters and even Republicans, while not committing herself to specifics. It was rhetorically perfect -- but left it to listeners to fill in the blanks. Thats okay at this point, but it may not be enough to win her the support of Bernie supporters and others who dont yet trust her to make their issues her priorities.
Wall Street, big corporations, and the super rich are going to start to pay their fair share of taxes. Good. But what does that mean, exactly?
Our economy isnt working the way it should because our democracy isnt working the way it should. Right. But how will she get big money out of politics?
Obama doesnt get enough credit for the economic recovery, but none of us can be satisfied by the status quo. True. But how will she improve the paychecks of the typical household, which is still lower than those paychecks were in 2000?
Bernie supporters put economic and social justice issues front and center, where they belong. Perfect. But what does this mean to her, exactly?
Bernie Sanders and I will work together to make college tuition-free for the middle class and debt-free for all. Excellent. But what other of Bernies agenda or even the Democratic platform will she fight for?
Shes against unfair trade deals, but didnt tell us whether shell fight the Trans Pacific Partnership. She Shell raise the minimum wage but didnt give a number.
Shell prevent Wall Street from ever being allowed to wreck Main Street again, but didnt say how.
Overall, a fine speech, with ample zingers directed at Donald Trump. But shes going to have to work hard in the months ahead to fill in her vision and convince America how committed she is to implementing it.
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phallon
(260 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)I know hes a little bit much, my neighbor said the same thing before he spewed his trump praise. He is a good con artist, I will give him that.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)Too perfect, and Reich got the last word.
elleng
(130,865 posts)superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)If only you could do that to the entire reich wing