2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Donald Bombings?
I keep having this sickening thought creep into my head, and it wont leave me alone. If this disgusting, orange scumbag will publicly incite Russia to hack our elections and incite his supporters to punch people, what on this Earth would stop him from hiring people to set off explosions and IEDs all over this country to scare people into a fear-induced tizzy in an effort to compel voters to vote for him???
The tough guy
. The Badass!
the terrible Strong Man!?!?
Even if its not The Don himself hiring hit men, surely ISIS would find this an attractive strategy as well. Is our nation being terrorized into voting against our own best interests? I think the answer is a resounding and shocking: YES.
What is this country REALLY up against with this election?
This thought has had my stomach upset all morning.
MADem
(135,425 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)hlthe2b
(102,188 posts)and given the media reporting on the perceived/real? bigotry this inividual and his retaurant-owning family encountered, I think the rhetoric as incitement angle SHOULD be discussed. (BUT, NOT the cs re: Trump actively financing such acts)
MADem
(135,425 posts)find a disgruntled 28 year old radicalized Afghan to blow up a dumpster and shoot a cop.
Rhetoric as incitement is one thing (though in this case, I doubt this guy is a Trump humper) but this suggests if not coordination a relationship.
The facts on the ground just do not support this hypothesis.
hlthe2b
(102,188 posts)As my comment specified, even lone wolves can be indirectly influenced by his rhetoric WITHOUT being, as you term it, a "Trump-humper".
MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't think this kind of postulation is terribly helpful in terms of the credibility of the site.
That's creative speculation.
hlthe2b
(102,188 posts)--quite different from proposing he WAS behind the incident (which would truly BE Creative Spec beyond the pale), even though, as I have already said, I am am unwilling to entertain that as even a possibility.
MADem
(135,425 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)hlthe2b
(102,188 posts)I don't think he is stupid and thus must KNOW that his rhetoric is both inciting and rewarding such acts in terms of ISIS and other organized terror groups (and lone wolf "wannabes" .
I don't think he is naive' enough not to know this and this I find him complicit even if he doesn't actively finance/recruit such horror himself.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wake up and smell the coffee.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)If we need a strong President experienced in government, foreign affairs, and diplomacy, Trump is a huge loser to Clinton.
0rganism
(23,933 posts)now i wouldn't put it above DJT's buddies or ISIS flunkies to try it, but there is a risk in either case, and that risk is exactly what played out today: bombs ineffective, suspect alive and in custody within 72 hours. that Rahani dude is going to get interrogated real good, and the various intelligence and security agencies are going to walk that cat backwards to check on everyone he's had contact with in the last year and everyone his contacts have contacted. every goddam text, email, and phone call log entry in Rahani's 1st and 2nd circles is going to be under intense scrutiny.
for DJT or his campaign, if it comes out that they had anything to do with hiring or inspiring Rahani or any of his contacts (note that the Obama administration's motivation to keep such allegations quiet is... minimal), they're done. Trump may claim he could kill someone on 5th and still turn out his voters, but if it comes out that he's hiring assholes to create random indiscriminate mayhem across America, that's the end. forget the racketeering and conspiracy charges, i think Trump would find out that his support doesn't go that deep. he'd be done. Donezo. 20% ceiling in the election. game over.
ISIS is also taking a risk with such a strategy, albeit with lower stakes for them. if communications come to light that show ISIS acting specifically to promote DJT's campaign, the campaign ads write themselves. 20% ceiling again. Donezo.
with that in mind, October is still going to be something of a nail biter, but 2 things can absolutely seal it for HRC:
1. she has to absolutely smoke him in the debates complete with ashtray, beyond even the formidable abilities of the MSM to mis-characterize a debate in favor of the Republican.
2. president Obama's team cracks down on terrorism, both foreign and domestic, in a big way; this may mean the CIA has to sacrifice some assets, but cashing in those chips could make a huge difference. if HRC can point to Obama's record and say "in the last month, the administration, with the NSA and FBI, has foiled 3 major domestic terror attacks", she wins back some of that confidence on the terror issue.
i suggest you not worry overmuch, no one is aware of this situation more than the president and the presidential campaigns. motivation to engage in such dangerous bullshit is bound to be low, as the odds that a conspirator would fuck up and/or leak make the risk outweigh the reward.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Whether Trump is behind it or not, he can barely hide his giddiness over it. Hopefully that will come back to bite him.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)must have brought him much glee, and in his mind, "exoneration"
niyad
(113,205 posts)what a depressing commentary on just how bizarre this election cycle is, with the worst candidate that we have ever seen, vain, ignorant, hate-filled, hate-mongering. . . . it is no wonder that this was the first thought in many minds.