Secret Service (fed tax $) has paid Trump $1.6 mil to ride on his plane (so far)

[Sunny05]

It's sick. More normal for Secret Service to pay campaign; but here, it's paying the candidate himself. And Trump would be using his plane, anyway. Of course, it's sick that he's a candidate & thus getting this service. And this is in addition to trump using campaign donations to pay suddenly jacked-up rent to trump properties during campaign events.

Anyway ... Here's the link on Secret Service paying the candidate:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/09/22/trump-got-1-6m-from-secret-service.html?via=mobile&source=copyurl

[Sunny05]

1. Okay, now I see DU's "Latest Breaking News" on this!

By the time I posted the original post and then caught up on DU's home page, well, I'd already duplicated the info, just with link to different site. Just glad the info is out there.

Take care!

[jberryhill]

2. They pay rent to Joe Biden, btw

At Biden's residence in Delaware, the Secret Service rents a guest house. It's been looked at a number of times, and is not unusual.

[Sunny05]

3. Is it not? Well, I'll stick with my statement

that it is sickening that trump is a candidate in the first place!

Now that I think about it, would that rent add up to 1.6 mil in a comparable time frame? I have no idea how many agents or how high the rent in that area.

Thanks for the info!

[jberryhill]

4. Well, there was a lot of discussion...

...about whether Biden would have been renting it out anyway, but as I recall they are getting a pretty good deal.

Here's a story with a lot of yellow ink:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/08/joe-biden-update-hes-charging-secret-service-rent-for-cottage-to-protect-him.html

Yeah, 2200 a month for a small house over in the Greenville/Centerville area is an okay deal. I think hat's around what Christine O'Donnell was paying for rent on a townhouse in a kind of meh development just down the road.

But assessing the value of transport on a private jet can probably be done a lot of ways.

Could Joe Biden let them stay rent-free in a house in which his mother was living rent free? Yes, but he doesn't have to, and why should he forego rent on a property he'd otherwise rent out?

So, I don't think it's odd they are paying "something", but the rest is an accounting question.

[Sunny05]

7. Thank you for info / nt

[Travis_0004]

6. They have paid over 2 million for riding on Hillary's plane

I realize Hillary doesnt own her plane, but it is considered routine to bill the secret service for these expenses.

[Sunny05]

8. Thanks, and the source did mention

the notion of paying a campaign. That was part of their point, that paying the candidate was different.

Have a great evening.

[jberryhill]

10. Yes, but why shouldn't the owner of the plane get paid?

It happens to be the candidate.

But the owner of the Hillary campaigns plane is nonetheless also getting paid. I assume the campaign is leasing the plane from the owner.

Not paying him would be a 5th Amendment violation, IMHO. Even as a candidate, he is entitled to compensation for public use (i.e. the public service being provided by the Secrer Service to protect the life of a significant candidate) of his property.

[Sunny05]

11. Please read what was actually written ...

in my original post and in the write-up the link led to.

Please also read post #8.

And DU's home page covered the same topic, only with a link to politico that covets more than link I provided. That politico link is here:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-secret-service-campaign-travel-payments-228553

With any of these posts or links, but especially with mine, read all that is written but read only what is written.

[jberryhill]

13. Naw I'm fine with the posts

I am puzzled over how one does the figures, but I'm always impressed with the wizardry of accountants.

It was a rhetorical question.

[jberryhill]

9. But would it really matter if she owned the plane?

Obviously, she's paying market value for the plane, crew, etc., and it is easy to apportion how much of that can be considered due to transport of the agents.

If she and Bill are traveling together, there's also the full time contingent assigned to him.

Be that as it may, here's my question. If she's got the exclusive lease on the plane until whenever, then do you calculate their "share"'of that expense, or do you charge market value of chartering them on a per-flight basis?

The 5th Amendment requires "just compensation" for private property taken for public use. IMHO, as exclusive lessee of the plane, her campaign should be entitled to market value of use of the plane for that transport on a charter basis.

I would imagine that discount coach tickets would. Not be a relevant point of reference either.

[Sunny05]

12. See post #11. You are arguing points not

being made. Perhaps you are on the wrong thread. Otherwise, please read all that is written but only what is written if you want to argue points.

[jberryhill]

14. I don't know what you think I'm "arguing"

Does anyone on DU just kick shit around anymore purely for the purpose of discussion, or is there some scoring system I don't know about?

[Sunny05]

15. I don't know you, and I couldn't tell

that you were kicking shit around. I thought you were a trump troll at first. But then I looked at your number of posts and figured surely DU wouldn't have allowed that to develop from a tt. So then I didnt know what to make of the situation except maybe you read into what I wrote or were on wrong thread.