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megahertz

(126 posts)
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:34 PM Sep 2016

10 Emotional Abuse Tactics That Trump Blatantly Used in the First Debate

Good article, worth a read.

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Everyday Feminism
Elana Sztokman
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/09/trump-emotional-abuse-tactics/


Therapists around the country are reporting spikes in patients dealing with election anxiety.

Clinical psychologist Stephen Holland told The Atlantic, “Among people who are not Trump supporters, we’re hearing a higher level of concern and dismay than I’ve probably heard in any election cycle, in 25 years of clinical work.”.... Although this may ring true in all elections, this time one of the primary causes is Donald Trump.

<snip>

Trump uses toxic tactics of emotional abuse – especially emotional abuse aimed at women – in order to put other people down. The tactics are powerful, emotionally violent, and often disarming against their victims....

If you’re not accustomed to identifying and recognizing these tactics as abusive, they can leave you with unexplained emotional tremors. And if you are used to them – that is, if you’re a survivor of emotional abuse – watching this happen in public can be triggering and frightening.

<snip>

With the goal in mind of shedding light on emotionally abusive strategies, here are ten of the toxic tactics that Trump has been using during this campaign, including some examples from the recent debate.

1. Lying... "We’re used to politicians who stretch the truth, who waffle or dissemble, who emphasize some facts while omitting others. But I can’t think of any other political figure who so brazenly tells lie after lie, spraying audiences with such a fusillade of untruths that it is almost impossible to keep track.”...

2. Denial...

3. Blame Shifting... At one point, Clinton even quipped, “I’m pretty sure that by the end of the night, I will have been blamed for everything that ever happened.” Yes, that was exactly Trump’s intention. Indeed, he responded, “Why not?"...

4. Moving the Goal Posts... in the discussion on creating jobs, Trump turned what should have been a discussion of his plan to an attack on Clinton’s “thirty years of experience” in politics...

5. Bait and Switch... “I will release my tax returns when Hillary releases her deleted e-mails” – to which the audience, astoundingly, cheered...

6. Projecting... Despite his appalling record on his treatment of women, whenever he’s confronted about it, he switches the conversation to talk about how “not nice” women are to him...

7. Generalizing and Exaggerating... Clinton has over ten times as many policy pages on her website than Trump, and her speeches are filled with details about her proposals and plans. Trump, by contrast, prefers grandiose generalization and hyperbole...

8. Yelling and Shouting Over... He interrupted her no less than fifty times. He repeatedly refused to stop talking when the moderator told him there was no more time, he interrupted Clinton even when she was given only a small amount of time to answer, and he refused to ever let Clinton have the last word...

9. Fear-Mongering...

10. Body Shaming...

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10 Emotional Abuse Tactics That Trump Blatantly Used in the First Debate (Original Post) megahertz Sep 2016 OP
and his little MFM008 Sep 2016 #1
Meh, that's just another lie. calimary Sep 2016 #5
No, it's a tactic abusers like him are accostomed to using Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #20
That makes total sense, as well. calimary Sep 2016 #30
Also, watch it again. That was his way of controlling her - forcing her to say 'yes.' electron_blue Sep 2016 #16
Hoping to reduce her from Sec'y of State to His Secy. Glad she called him only Donald stuffmatters Sep 2016 #19
ah, thanks, I didn't pick up on that, but you're right! electron_blue Sep 2016 #28
That really annoyed me, after calling for his morons with guns to take care of her. anamandujano Sep 2016 #31
K&R for visibility meow2u3 Sep 2016 #2
I agree with this article! These are the reasons why Donald is not a decent human being Madam45for2923 Sep 2016 #3
False equivalency. History & precedent releasing tax forms. No history/precedent releasing emails.nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #4
Also the biggest gaslighting in history Saviolo Sep 2016 #6
Yep, gaslighting where the only valid perceptions/opinions/facts (i.e.reality) belong to the abuser stuffmatters Sep 2016 #12
I expected no less from The Donald. I hope Melania is counting the days... Hekate Sep 2016 #7
I have already said Hekate sorefeet Sep 2016 #10
No doubt he has a mistress waiting in the wings. Melania is over 40, most likely too old for the way anamandujano Sep 2016 #32
It was pretty annoying to have him blame her for all the actions of every single politician Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #8
probably the most outrageous thing was blaming her for birtherism Fast Walker 52 Sep 2016 #9
For Hillary to say about point #5 world wide wally Sep 2016 #11
All of the above MrScorpio Sep 2016 #13
I didn't watch get the red out Sep 2016 #14
I consider myself a pretty tough person Patiod Sep 2016 #29
Trump blames Hillary for Bill's infidelity. Abuser becomes the victim stuffmatters Sep 2016 #15
I think I noticed all of these ten points when watching. royable Sep 2016 #17
I had to listen from the next room. WhiteTara Sep 2016 #26
I can't post Boy Trump often enough... griloco Sep 2016 #18
"crazy-making" unblock Sep 2016 #21
How about "I'm above or can skate the rules/law" like not releasing his taxes or even paying taxes. stuffmatters Sep 2016 #22
He really reminded me of my dad on a tear freeplessinseattle Sep 2016 #23
DARVO Bozvotros Sep 2016 #24
Interesting quote from the article alfie Sep 2016 #25
thank you for posting this niyad Sep 2016 #27
I don't know what other show people are watching, but the whole thing seems highly predictable nolabels Sep 2016 #33

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
1. and his little
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:41 PM
Sep 2016

"Secretary Clinton? Is that OK? I want you to be happy...that's very important"

that smarmy condescending.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
5. Meh, that's just another lie.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:32 PM
Sep 2016

He doesn't give a shit if she's happy or not. He'd rather she be unhappy.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
20. No, it's a tactic abusers like him are accostomed to using
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:10 PM
Sep 2016

Say nice things to the target to manipulate. The idea is to throw her emotionally off-guard.

He's used to women who acquiesce to him because he controls them financially, emotionally or both.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
30. That makes total sense, as well.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 02:04 PM
Sep 2016

Seems he's a seasoned veteran of such tactics.

MAN the payoffs he must have given to Ivana and Marla in those divorces. They sure have stayed nice 'n' quiet, n'est-ce pas?

Actually wouldn't surprise me if he offered bonuses AND accompanying threats before the campaign started, to remind them to keep their mouths shut.

electron_blue

(3,592 posts)
16. Also, watch it again. That was his way of controlling her - forcing her to say 'yes.'
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:46 PM
Sep 2016

Abusers look for anyway to show they are controlling the strings.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
19. Hoping to reduce her from Sec'y of State to His Secy. Glad she called him only Donald
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:00 PM
Sep 2016

I love the fact that she just only referred to him as Donald. Didn't ask, because she didn't need his permission or approval for anything. And calling him Donald throughout,not even Mr Trump, that first nameness used from employer to employee became kind of a belittlement, clearly prickled him, tipped his repugnant power play apple cart way over.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
3. I agree with this article! These are the reasons why Donald is not a decent human being
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:55 PM
Sep 2016

I recommend reading the article. There's more explanations for each item.

All of the above means the toxic person can never be held accountable. Ugh!

Cannot wait for the day he exits left or right or wherever the f*ck he's going.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
6. Also the biggest gaslighting in history
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:44 PM
Sep 2016

He's trying to gaslight the whole country. Thankfully, there is the internet with many pieces of proof of what he has said and now denies.

If you're not familiar with the term:

Gaslighting or gas-lighting is a form of psychological abuse in which a victim is manipulated into doubting their own memory, perception, and sanity. Instances may range from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim.


From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
12. Yep, gaslighting where the only valid perceptions/opinions/facts (i.e.reality) belong to the abuser
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:18 PM
Sep 2016

Your great point too that Trump didn't just do it to Hillary, he's doing it to the entire country all along. Fox News has been doing it
for two decades now. Of course, serial abuser, Ailes is the architect for both Fox and Trump

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
32. No doubt he has a mistress waiting in the wings. Melania is over 40, most likely too old for the way
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 03:29 PM
Sep 2016

he rolls. She has also been with him a long time. That's tough for someone with his attention span.

She is probably praying for a divorce, the sooner the better so Trump can't poison her child's mind and buy him off.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
11. For Hillary to say about point #5
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:03 PM
Sep 2016

Taxes vs Email:

I released over 30,000 pages of email. Now you release at least half of your tax form

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
13. All of the above
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:22 PM
Sep 2016

Trump has been identified as an abuser many times before. It's impossible to miss everything he did that night. Even people who would vote for him only because they hate Hillary more could recognize it. It's just that they'd justify the abuse because they hate her and would think that she deserves it.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
29. I consider myself a pretty tough person
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 12:31 PM
Sep 2016

I've done a lot of things I was afraid to do: cold calling, public speaking, open water diving. I did hospice work, and interview people with terminal diseases for work.

And I thought that there was nothing in the world that could "trigger" me in any way.

But I had to get up and leave the room during the debate, because his behavior physically upset me so badly. Looking at it objectively once I settle down, he behaves a lot like my late dad - who was not a bad guy when he was calm, but a nightmarish angry bully when he got himself riled up. Condescending, interrupting, dismissive, mean, moved the goalposts all the time, this whole list. This has never happened before with any other male politician or public figure.

On the other hand, I've noticed that some of my younger male colleagues seem "triggered" by the mere fact that Hillary is a woman in an authority position - one actually said she "yelled" through the whole debate (?????). Definite mommy issues.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
15. Trump blames Hillary for Bill's infidelity. Abuser becomes the victim
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:30 PM
Sep 2016

In toxic masculinity (i.e. abuser world), infidelity is always the fault of the sexually and emotionally "inadequate" female. From gaining weight to getting a job even spending too much time with the kids, those are the most frequent "justifications" by abusers' for their jealous, narcissistic, macho actions.

royable

(1,264 posts)
17. I think I noticed all of these ten points when watching.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 04:46 PM
Sep 2016

At times while watching the "debate," I was curled up in my chair with my arm over my head, half turned away from the television, and only looking at Clinton's side of the screen when there was split screen. Sniveling Drumpf was very, very hard to take. I have made a point since he entered the campaign to watch as little of him as I can, and so this was probably the most continuous exposure to him that I'd ever had. For a day afterward, I felt unsettled, like I'd witnessed highly disturbed and abnormal behavior that left my mind unsuccessfully trying to make sense of it. This man is seriously deranged.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
26. I had to listen from the next room.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:57 PM
Sep 2016

I couldn't be in the same room with him on the screen. So I missed a couple of things...like the Clinton Shimmy.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
21. "crazy-making"
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:23 PM
Sep 2016

some feminist psychologists that i've know have used this term to describe some of the above -- the things that are so crazy they make you question your own sanity.

as in, trump saying the he's got the best temperament and hillary's out of control and has a temperament problem.

it's not merely a lie, it's a lie so incredibly yuuggge that it makes you say "am i crazy or did i just hear mr. walking, talking, out-of-control temperament problem say *she's* the one with the temperament problem??"

it's the feeling that you're forced to have a conversation with someone who doesn't accept the same basic principles of decency, etc., and you have to explain and defend basic assumptions, like if you see something, it actually exists, etc., because he's questioning such obvious things.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
22. How about "I'm above or can skate the rules/law" like not releasing his taxes or even paying taxes.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 05:25 PM
Sep 2016

Supported by Trump/abuser "anyways": eg. Trust me, there's nothing there anyway because I say so" and "no one will believe you over me anyway."

freeplessinseattle

(3,508 posts)
23. He really reminded me of my dad on a tear
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 06:02 PM
Sep 2016

More than a little triggering watching him treat her like that, hard not to leave the room as I would have as a kid.

Bozvotros

(785 posts)
24. DARVO
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 06:12 PM
Sep 2016

Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Offender: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/DARVO

Nobody does it better (worse). Trump constantly says outrageous, hostile, dishonest things , makes nasty insinuations or accusation about others but as soon as his target reacts to his covert or overt message, he denies he did anything to deserve it, then goes on the attack as if he is the person who is being victimized

If you've ever been DARVO'd by a pro you know it is a major mind fuck. It almost always involves a complete fabricated retelling of what just happened and how completely wrong and evil minded it was for you to take it the "wrong way." Masters of this skill constantly make comments and critiques of someone in ways that they can later spin as harmless, insignificant or something noone should take offense at. When you do they can pour it on. And if you then get really angry or upset they use that as proof of your hostility or to dismiss you as crazy. He did it constantly in the Republican debates and paralyzed his opposition most of the time. He is a reptile.

alfie

(522 posts)
25. Interesting quote from the article
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:40 PM
Sep 2016

“Among people who are not Trump supporters, we’re hearing a higher level of concern and dismay than I’ve probably heard in any election cycle, in 25 years of clinical work.”.

I thought the only folks concerned and dismayed over this election were Trumpsters who came here as concern trolls.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
33. I don't know what other show people are watching, but the whole thing seems highly predictable
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 03:59 PM
Sep 2016

She is going to get another 180 minutes. By the third debate (if he doesn't wimp out) she will have him talking to himself.

Even the best coached man would have a hard time in a long term match in a verbal linguistics contest. Trump will have two empty buckets to pick from at the end. Without reasonable issues and only guttural insults to hurl, it should be going well by the third debate

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