2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDonald Trump is incapable of complex thinking.
He appears to have no ability to consider a large amount of information and then come to a conclusion about it. That was clear in the debate and in his inability to focus on rehearsing for that debate.
Imagine a President who makes decisions based on hunches, intuition, biases and guesses. It boggles the mind.
Hillary, on the other hand, has great ability in doing exactly that and speaks only after considering all the information at hand.
Please carry this message out to those you know who are undecided.
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)You are pushing a bag of tripe uphill with your face if you think the great "undecideds" are capable of rational thought after all this time.
The scales of reason tipped long ago toward sanity.
If they can't see that then they are best left alone.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)That's especially true with millennials and more moderate Republicans. There are also many people who have not even decided whether they will even vote. For me, the election isn't over until all the polls close on November 8. You might have a different opinion about that.
I do not simply look at things, shrug my shoulders and move on without hope. I'm sorry that you seem to be able to do that.
Please vote for Hillary Clinton and encourage the people you know to go and vote and to vote for her, as well. If you can convince just one, you have doubled your vote.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)But now so many people did tune in for the debate which means that by now most of us are up to date. Hahahaha, wondering what 1st impressions 1st timers got of Trump? Hmmmm
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I do.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)therein lies the problem. He has an extremely short attention span and seemingly seldom wants to take on that arduous task.
Also, since his inability to be interested in anything that he does not relate to his glorious self has resulted in an astonishing, childlike level of ignorance, the quality of his complex thinking is likely to be very poor. Truly empty-headed.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Sadly, imo, there's NO fixing that.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)they're enamored with him because they see their same, stupid selves in him - and HEY! He's SO successful! It's proof that not ALL folks were created "Equal". If they were, selecting a new president would be as simple as holding a nationwide lottery.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Like it was hard for him to take it in. While for HRC it was natural to listen & get what Trump was saying, which was inane anyway but still listening & understanding is not hard for her but it looked like it was painfully hard for him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)to his supporters Trump's loathsome personality and his inability to handle a concept more complex than can be written on a bumper sticker aren't bugs; they're features. They like it that he thinks with his gut - nosiree Bob, he's not one o' them fancy eggheads who knows all them facts an' shit.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)I won't waste a moment on them. I do care about people who are considering not voting, and people who are thinking about voting for a third party candidate. Those people can still be turned in this election.
I will not give up. I will not simply shrug. I will do what I can do.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)But I don't get the undecideds either. How can anybody be undecided at this point?
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)...what you are saying, we may not care about his supporters... But they will be around long after the election. We're going to have to deal with them at some point.
nruthie
(466 posts)Perfect.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)And he really really likes to win. He is a winner. Remember that in the "debate"? And people love him! Yeah, they really love him.
Oh, by the way did I tell you, he is really a winner? He really likes to win.
[I think he came off like a scratched record. Yes, I agree with the original poster: He is incapable of forming larger coherent thoughts, and processing complex His speech patterns are a reflection of this severe capacity limitation...]
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)At least we know someone else will soon be running the government if he gets elected ....
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)defensive response, posture, and demeanor. This accounts for his facial "scrunches" and blustering "butt-ins".
lark
(23,091 posts)The one who's willing to lose tens of millions of dollars of income for his state so that it is legal to discriminate against LGBT people.
Jade Fox
(10,030 posts)Seriously. He's got the worst case of ADD ever seen. In addition to his horrible personality.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)We Buddhists have a common expression, "monkey mind," to describe the undisciplined, unfocused mind that jumps from idea to idea to idea with little if any connection between thoughts. Monkey mind has no filter to sort out inappropriate and distracting thoughts and emotions. People, who speak in "word salads" are indicative of such a mindset. I feel embarrassed to see a presidential candidate who exhibits such a monkey mind.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)Cosmocat
(14,563 posts)explaining in part where he is now ...
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)A large minority, perhaps, of the voting population, but not the majority.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Described by Charlie Pierce-
Idiot America is a strange, disordered place. Everything is on the wrong shelves. The truth of something is defined by how many people will attest to it, and facts are defined by those peoples fervency. Fiction and nonfiction are defined by how well they sell. The best sellers are on one shelf, cheek by jowl, whether whats contained in them is true or not. People wander blindly, following the Gut into dark corners and aisles that lead nowhere, confusing possibilities with threats, jumping at shadows, stumbling around. They trip over piles of fiction left strewn around the floor of the nonfiction aisles. They fall down. They land on other people, and those other people can get hurt.
― Charles P. Pierce, Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Eliminate public educations, do away with environmental laws, Social Security (so you will have to support your elderly parents), Medicare and Medicaid, food and drug inspections, and so on. America will be a corporate free for all in every aspect.
Then suggest they Google "Libertarian Party Platform" or do it for them.
If they are smart enough to vote, they will get it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)to do away with SS and Medicare, he isn't for America.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)the USA backwards decades.
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)Going back to college psych class, Piaget discussed development in terms of states of processing and thinking about the world. Approximately 50% of adults never fully gain the ability to process complex, abstract concepts (formal operational thought), but remain in a stage where concrete thinking dominates their way of looking at the world. It is easier for these people to see things in 'black and white' because nuance often does not allow them to feel that they have a complete understanding.
I have often thought that many lower socio-economic repubs were concrete thinkers, because they are easily swayed by politicians who offer them a world in black and white (or good and bad). But, usually the candidates are not in this category, they just use these tactics to reach the large amount of people who are susceptible to it, while putting forth their more complex economic agendas to the wealthy party members who by themselves do not have the numbers to allow a party to be viable...and who have a very different agenda from what is publically presented.
The difference here is that Trump is one of the concrete thinkers. This is why so many of the party elites have rejected him, and why he can connect so well to the larger repub base.
And why he would be so dangerous in a job that requires complex, abstract thinking.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Whenever I'm asked what the major difference is between the Left and the Right, I often refer to the fact that those on the Right tend to see the world in black and white.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)Blue Idaho
(5,048 posts)Trump is not a deep thinker. I suspect he has been a "skimmer" his entire life. He may have a learning disability or he may simply be lazy - the kind of lazy inflicted on those born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Either way, I doubt he can process the kind of nuance demanded by the job of President of the United States.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The real Trump is turning out to be what we've witnessed all along. A person incapable of following a thought to it's natural conclusion. He evidently thinks in tweet. No more than 140 characters per thought. When he runs out of characters, even if in mid word that's OK because he just jumps to the next tweet regarding something else.
It fools people into believing he thinks so fast that he has to rush to get the words out after he's jumped to another thought. Not so though.
There are two kinds of low intelligence people. those who are intelligent enough that they know they aren't very smart, and those who don't have a clue about how dumb they are. Trump doesn't have a clue which is why he thinks he can just skip preparing for a debate, or learning anything new.
I'm definitely beginning to find him a repetitious, unimaginative bore with the most limited vocabulary of anyone I know.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)apnu
(8,755 posts)That man could not string a coherent sentence together w/out a teleprompter. And even then it was dicey and he wandered off script all the time.
certainot
(9,090 posts)he's been diverting most of his sex energy to the left side of the brain, the left mathematical logical side of the brain - but it's supposed to go to the right emotional creative orgasmic side
what happens? where the mathematics/numbers are done sex energy creates a desire for more, bigger, faster.... and that is greed.
logic is supposed to be patient and objective but sex energy just want quick easy answers, finality, conclusion, certainty. since there is no certainty and the world is complicated sex energy on the wrong side of the brain, groganzola, creates stress and fear.
our societies and religions have evolved to present quick easy answers and opportunities to judge the world in dualities of black and white, good and bad, pretty and ugly, etc., to ease that stress and fear.
trump learned at an early age to use the creative side of the brain to rationalize accepting those quick easy answers and for judging in black and white. and whenever he opens the gate to the right creative side some of that sex energy that he keeps locked up working overtime on the left side escapes to the pleasure centers to produce the orgasmic pleasure of certitude.
how does trump get that groganzola, that sex energy to the wrong side of the brain? he learned sex with the right hand, which is connected to the left side of the brain, and burned in long lasting neural highways that divert sex energy to the left side whenever he even just thinks about sex.
he's just got more than most, due to a variety of factors, but growing up a rich kid with lots of spare time and privacy probably didn't help.
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)n/t
greatauntoftriplets
(175,731 posts)Also too intellectually lazy. He wants everyone around him to say "yes" to everything he wants. He's a spoiled, self-centered child.