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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTo avoid tax, Trump may have used a loophole Hillary voted to close in 2002
This loophole was the subject of a 2001 Supreme Court case, Gitlitz v. Commissioner, in which the IRS argued the relevant tax law could not have possibly meant what it appeared to say, which was that business owners could in some cases deduct losses they had not actually borne.
After the IRS lost that case, the loophole was closed by the Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002, a bill that then Sen. Hillary Clinton voted for and President George W. Bush signed. But that law only stopped taxpayers from using the loophole going forward; they were still allowed to benefit from tax losses they had booked through it in prior years, such as 1995.
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In the situation described by Sheppard, the S Corporation's massive business losses would have passed through to Trump as personal losses. The offsetting debt forgiveness enjoyed by the S Corporation would not have passed through to Trump as taxable personal income because it was excluded from the S Corporation's taxable income. In total, Trump would have harvested a huge loss that exceeded his initial investment in and prior profits from the S Corporation.
"But wait!" I hope you are saying. "Wouldn't that put Trump afoul of the rule that his tax losses from the S Corporation can't exceed what he invested in it in the first place plus the prior profits?"
Yes, it would except that, before the 2002 loophole fix, the debt forgiveness enjoyed by the S Corporation would have passed through to Trump for the purposes of calculating the amount of profit the S Corporation had earned on his behalf, even though the same debt forgiveness did not pass through as actual taxable profit to him.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-did-trump-pay-so-little-tax-2016-10?r=US&IR=T
After the IRS lost that case, the loophole was closed by the Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002, a bill that then Sen. Hillary Clinton voted for and President George W. Bush signed. But that law only stopped taxpayers from using the loophole going forward; they were still allowed to benefit from tax losses they had booked through it in prior years, such as 1995.
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In the situation described by Sheppard, the S Corporation's massive business losses would have passed through to Trump as personal losses. The offsetting debt forgiveness enjoyed by the S Corporation would not have passed through to Trump as taxable personal income because it was excluded from the S Corporation's taxable income. In total, Trump would have harvested a huge loss that exceeded his initial investment in and prior profits from the S Corporation.
"But wait!" I hope you are saying. "Wouldn't that put Trump afoul of the rule that his tax losses from the S Corporation can't exceed what he invested in it in the first place plus the prior profits?"
Yes, it would except that, before the 2002 loophole fix, the debt forgiveness enjoyed by the S Corporation would have passed through to Trump for the purposes of calculating the amount of profit the S Corporation had earned on his behalf, even though the same debt forgiveness did not pass through as actual taxable profit to him.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-did-trump-pay-so-little-tax-2016-10?r=US&IR=T
Complicated, so not easy to summarise here. But the end result is: Trump probably used a controversial loophole to stiff the USA; when the legality of this was definitively decided, lawmakers, including Senator Clinton, changed the law to stop that. So who do you want as president, the slime who took the money, or the lawmaker who made sure people have to pay their fair share in the future?
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To avoid tax, Trump may have used a loophole Hillary voted to close in 2002 (Original Post)
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2016
OP
When was it created? Before 1991? Mistake correction overturned by Renquist Court.
SleeplessinSoCal
Oct 2016
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ffr
(23,034 posts)1. Why I cannot put in too much time as a HFA supporter.
Hillary for America
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/
With one or two more votes per precinct, she wins big!
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,565 posts)2. I have been trying to identify when the "mistake" showed up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gitlitz_v._Commissioner?wprov=sfla1
1991 is when the loophole/mistake was first visable. The Bush v Gore SCOTUS overturned the appeals court correct decision. Then in 2002 it - with a vote by Hillary - was fixed.
But how many unpatriotic wealthy people had expensive lawyers abuse this loophole/mistake from at least 1991-2002?
1991 is when the loophole/mistake was first visable. The Bush v Gore SCOTUS overturned the appeals court correct decision. Then in 2002 it - with a vote by Hillary - was fixed.
But how many unpatriotic wealthy people had expensive lawyers abuse this loophole/mistake from at least 1991-2002?
cynzke
(1,254 posts)4. Idiot Trump blamed Hillary for not stopping the tax loophole
Trump took advantage of this loophole in 1996. She wasn't a Senator until years later. He just spews accusations, the truth be damned!
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,565 posts)6. When was it created? Before 1991? Mistake correction overturned by Renquist Court.
David Cay Johnston may be able to tell us.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/art-of-the-steal-this-is-how-trump-lost-916m-and-avoided-tax.html
Wounded Bear
(60,240 posts)3. This showed up on MSNBC tonight...
I hope it goes mainstream and viral.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,616 posts)5. Are most of his companies S Corps?
I would think they were C Corps. Especially the ones using OPM (other people's money).
SunSeeker
(53,329 posts)7. K & R