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Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:54 AM

Why are people proud to be "nasty women"?

I don't get it. It's like when Trump supporters are happy to be called "deplorables". I would not want to be owning a negative perception of myself, I'd rather blast the person for name calling and refer to myself in positive terms like "strong woman" etc.

I do not understand this phenom.

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Reply Why are people proud to be "nasty women"? (Original post)
metroins Oct 2016 OP
ScienceIsGood Oct 2016 #1
metroins Oct 2016 #21
boston bean Oct 2016 #2
kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #24
DemonGoddess Oct 2016 #32
yuiyoshida Oct 2016 #36
jcgoldie Oct 2016 #3
Cracklin Charlie Oct 2016 #4
kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #25
Pachamama Oct 2016 #5
ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #7
ncgrits Oct 2016 #12
Pachamama Oct 2016 #15
kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #26
ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #6
Pachamama Oct 2016 #10
Coventina Oct 2016 #17
Daemonaquila Oct 2016 #8
Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #9
Pachamama Oct 2016 #13
Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #16
Brickbat Oct 2016 #11
TuxedoKat Oct 2016 #20
kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #27
Name removed Oct 2016 #48
meow2u3 Oct 2016 #14
Maeve Oct 2016 #18
athena Oct 2016 #33
NCTraveler Oct 2016 #19
narnian60 Oct 2016 #29
okaawhatever Oct 2016 #22
jberryhill Oct 2016 #34
Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #52
kestrel91316 Oct 2016 #23
LexVegas Oct 2016 #28
okaawhatever Oct 2016 #43
DFW Oct 2016 #30
displacedtexan Oct 2016 #42
DFW Oct 2016 #45
displacedtexan Oct 2016 #46
DFW Oct 2016 #47
PeaceNikki Oct 2016 #31
athena Oct 2016 #35
nolabear Oct 2016 #37
athena Oct 2016 #44
nolabear Oct 2016 #50
workinclasszero Oct 2016 #38
VulgarPoet Oct 2016 #39
CTyankee Oct 2016 #40
Orsino Oct 2016 #41
erinlough Oct 2016 #49
vlyons Oct 2016 #51
SMC22307 Oct 2016 #54
LanternWaste Oct 2016 #55

Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:55 AM

1. Maybe the point is that hillary is a nasty woman then they are proud to be like her. N/t

 

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Response to ScienceIsGood (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:29 AM

21. This makes some sense

I guess.

It's just confusing to me, I prefer nicer words.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:56 AM

2. Trump called Hillary a nasty woman. If she is a nasty woman, then I am one too.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:28 PM

32. Exactly right!

Me too!

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Response to boston bean (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:47 PM

36. Count me in ...

AND to Donald Trump...

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:59 AM

3. To be a "nasty woman" in Trump's eyes

Seems to imply that you are intelligent and strong. I'm not a nasty woman, but I'm proud my wife is.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:00 AM

4. Solidarity!

Assface thinks that women who stand against his bullying are "nasty".

I'll be that woman.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:01 AM

5. "Well behaved women seldom make history"

For some reason, just like that quote, the comment from Trump feels similar...

Hillary is not being a good little girl letting him do anything he wants...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:04 AM

7. also a good interpretation, and a good quote.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:10 AM

12. There you go! I'm also embracing and reclaiming the word "Bitch."

Hell, yeah I'm a BITCH! . . . getting "stuff" done!

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Response to ncgrits (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:11 AM

15. Even "witch"

Trump and his supporters are the same type of people who burned women as witches at the stake...

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:02 AM

6. Ditto the first two comments. Also here is another interpretation as icing on the cake:

Nasty, in common contemporary American slang, also means sexy.
Consider the line from the Bob Dylan song:
"You're so nasty and you're so bad, you know I love you, yes I do"
(Also an example of "bad" meaning "good", also common usage)

Urban dictionary online gives its number 2 definition:
2. to act dirty in a sexual way.

This is funny and ironic for Trump to cast this at Hillary. In so many ways funny and ironic.

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Response to ColemanMaskell (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:08 AM

10. Love that line from Bob Dylan

Yes, the irony is not lost on me that when Trump said that....

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Response to ColemanMaskell (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:18 AM

17. Nasty Girl

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:07 AM

8. Because it's anything but negative.

 

"Nasty woman" is the Trump/Deplorables buzzword for a woman who will take absolutely no shit from them. I'll happy take that term, especially because it will piss them off again because of all the women embracing it rather than getting upset about being called names.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:08 AM

9. From a cinematic perspective...

there is this:

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:10 AM

13. Substitute the words "nasty woman" for "high riding bitch"

Same thing

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:11 AM

16. Exactly....nt

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:09 AM

11. Oppressed populations often embrace pejorative terms to take away their power.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:24 AM

20. Yes, this.

Women are taking control of the narrative to change the meaning of the words in the sense Trump meant them and powerful and positive.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:11 AM

14. We're turning "nasty women" into a badge of honor

in solidarity with HRC by reclaiming it, turning an insult into a compliment, thus taking the sting out of the epithet.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:19 AM

18. He called her that because she wasn't submissive to him

She stood up to him...she didn't back down, she called him on his lies. That makes her "nasty" in his eyes. Like Elizabeth Warren. Like all those "horrible, horrible" women who are coming forward to say he's just exactly the person he bragged about being to Billy Bush.

An insult from him is a badge of honor; it means someone has gotten under that thin skin of his. I bet Warren laughs to herself every time he calls her "Pocahontas". We're just more open about it.

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Response to Maeve (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:32 PM

33. Exactly!

I've been thinking this since I heard him utter "What a nasty woman!" at the debate. It's exactly because she isn't submissive to him that he called her nasty. All the women in his family look so submissive around him. As someone who had a narcissistic mother, I am familiar with how narcissists beat everyone around them into submission. This guy has never had to deal with someone he can't beat up either literally or figuratively.

Also, some of us women who have worked in male-dominated corporate environments know that any situation where we reveal that we're smarter than an insecure male colleague -- indeed, any situation where we dare to disagree unapologetically with a male colleague -- will get us reprimanded or criticized for being "unprofessional" or having a "strong personality" (which is apparently a bad thing when you're a woman). Seeing Trump do this to Clinton on the debate stage was extremely disturbing, and stating that one is proud to be a "nasty woman" is a way of trying to fight back against this sexism. The point, I think, is that we're not afraid to be called "nasty" any more. They will no longer manipulate us into submission by calling us "nasty".

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:21 AM

19. It's how he addressed Clinton. We are standing with Clinton.

 

Very simple.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:15 PM

29. +1

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:07 PM

22. It's due to Janet Jackson's song Nasty a huge hit in the 1980's. It was part of a larger cultural

shift, starting with Madonna and her (at the time) very controversial sexuality and "suggestive" dancing, moving through Janet and on to other female pop icons. Plus the line, No my first name ain't baby, It's Janet, Miss Jackson if you're nasty was played out so many times in pop culture. Even the debate headlines reference this:


Janet Jackson Wins the Debate! "Nasty Woman" trends as Donald interrupts Hillary, again.

Her Name Is Hillary Clinton. Madame President If You’re Nasty

Portion of the lyrics:


I'm not a prude (No)
I just want some respect (That's right)
So close the door if you want me to respond (Oh oh yeah)
'Cause privacy is my middle name
My last name is Control
No my first name ain't baby
It's Janet
Miss Jackson if you're nasty

Nasty Nasty boys, don't mean a thing
Oh you nasty boys
Nasty Nasty boys, don't ever change, huh
Oh you nasty boys




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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:37 PM

34. Ah, thank you, I was trying to remember what song that was

 


I kept thinking of "Bad Girls", but I knew that was the wrong song.

Some great alternative lyrics have been posted on Twitter, but I could not remember the title and artist.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:10 PM

52. Heh. Some of the better lyrics in the modern pop era.

 

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:12 PM

28. Same reason I am proud to be an "anchor baby". nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:00 PM

43. LOL. It was pretty rich of Trump to say that considering he's America's #1 Anchor Husband. nt

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:17 PM

30. It's using irony, not meant to be taken literally

Don't think all those women with posters like "This pussy grabs back" were seriously inviting any men to find out.

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Response to DFW (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:58 PM

42. Irony impairment seems to be on the rise lately.

Your post rocks, BTW!

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:07 PM

45. From one displaced Texan to another.....

Dallas yesterday, Düsseldorf today (minus my luggage--the baggage handlers at JFK must have thought DUS meant "Dushanbe" instead of "Düsseldorf".

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Response to DFW (Reply #45)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:11 PM

46. Yikes! Das ist aber schade!

I'm baking apple galettes here at home in San Francisco. Hope you get your luggage back!

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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:30 PM

47. Ich weiss es nur zu gut

I haven't been in San Francisco since August. If I were closer than 8000 miles away, I'd say keep some samples. Not that Germany is deficient in the bakery department, mind you........

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:27 PM

31. He called her a nasty woman for biting back at his bullying and attacks. If that makes a woman

"nasty", then I will be nasty all day every day.

Proudly. With her.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:45 PM

35. Because we are not afraid to be called "nasty" any more.

We've been manipulated by this sort of sexist attack for too long. Every time we dare to be smarter than a man, or to disagree with a man, or to stand up against a male bully, we get called all kinds of things that suggest that we're not ladylike enough, that there is something wrong with us, and that we should be ashamed of ourselves. It was pivotal to see this happen to Hillary Clinton in such a direct way on national television. Enough is enough. They can call us nasty if they want to; we will wear the label proudly.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:47 PM

37. www.NastyWomenGetShitDone

In Stumpy's case, "nasty" means you don't defer to the man. You don't let him do whatever he wants, even though he's a STAR. You're strong and you are taking him down.

And you will be president, and you will VOTE.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:04 PM

44. That's great!

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Response to athena (Reply #44)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:04 PM

50. They're fast!

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:51 PM

38. When a would be fascist dictator and the wannabe destroyer of democracy

 

calls you a name, any name....

It becomes a badge of honor so Bad Hombres and Nasty Woman is a complement coming from the piehole of drumpf!

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:51 PM

39. Same reason I'm proud to be a "faggot." nt.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:52 PM

40. when my husband commented on my bright red fingernail polish as being "kind of slutty) I laughed.

I mean, I'm in my 70s and wearing pretty nail polish makes me feel good. I love that my husband still has a gleam in his eye for me!

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:55 PM

41. It's a fuck-you to anyone who would use such an infantile insult.

Perhaps also highlighting the meaninglessness of the term, given Trump's, well...given his entire adult life.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:47 PM

49. I believe words especially naming of a group has an intended purpose.

When you want to discredit any disliked group you name them and then use that name in a harmful way. The way to dampen the impact is to own the name and embrace it, therefore it loses its power. Women have been given names throughout history; witch, bitch, weaker sex, Harpys, crones, you get the picture. I am choosing to embrace all of these, including nasty.

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:09 PM

51. It's called satire

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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:32 PM

54. "PERVERTS SUPPORT THE PITS!," compliments of Rupert Murdoch.



Own it. Turn it around. And get Bronski Beat to play.



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Response to metroins (Original post)

Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:48 PM

55. Juvenalin Satire is not a "phenom", it is social criticism

Look up 'Juvenalin Satire', a form of social criticism used to great effect by writers such as Jonathan Swift, Voltaire and Joseph Heller. It accepts, deconstructs, and refines a social or cultural more to its own use.

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