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HAB911

(8,867 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:49 PM Oct 2016

What would happen if Trump Refuses to Accept Election Results

After Wednesday night’s debate, the pundits and various media personalities are now focused entirely on Donald Trump‘s apparent admission that he won’t commit to accepting the election results. Well, precisely, he told Fox moderator Chris Wallace, “I will look at it at the time. I will keep you in suspense.”

The reaction has been intense. The Associated Press opened their article about the debate by saying that Trump threatened “to upend a basic pillar of American democracy.’ CNN’s David Gregory said his comments, “undermine our democracy, it’s way outside the tradition of our democracy and presidential races.” University of California-Irvine election law professor Rick Hasen said, “Trump’s gambit may be planned or, more likely, he’s just making it up as he goes along. It is no joke. Our democracy is a fragile thing which depends upon accepting the rules of the game.” Clearly, this is serious stuff. And Trump’s unwillingness to commit to respecting the election results is pretty unprecedented.

But from a purely legal standpoint, http://lawnewz.com/uncategorized/what-actually-happens-if-donald-trump-doesnt-accept-election-results/



https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-Donald-Trump-lost-and-refused-to-concede-the-election

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ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
4. Here's a good and very detailed response lifted from the quora link above
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:59 PM
Oct 2016

Q:What would happen if Donald Trump lost and refused to concede the election?

A:Geoffrey Widdison, Been following US politics as long as I've been able to vote.
Written 6d ago


Legally, nothing. The election results will be validated, Hillary Clinton will be sworn in, and Trump's refusal to concede will mean nothing. In principle, he could file a lawsuit to prevent the results from being validated, but that lawsuit would certainly be dismissed as having no merit.

Pragmatically, it's hard to say. He could very easily hold a big rally full of rabid supporters and give an angry speech about how the election is rigged, our democracy has been stolen, and he's the rightful president. That could set off a rash of vandalism and petty violence across, it's even possible that his rally could devolve into a full-blown riot. That would result in a lot of people being arrested and sentenced on various charges. Trump, when asked about it, would deny being responsible for the violence, then say "my supporter love this country and want this country to be great again!" In principle, he could be charged with inciting violence, but it would be hard to make those charges stick, and it would probably just make the situation worse.

In theory, his insistence that the election isn't valid could lead to the formation of some kind of armed resistance movement (or movements) in rural areas. That may, in fact, happen, but it's unlikely to amount to much more than a lot of gatherings and big talking before it fizzles out and everybody goes back to work.

In theory, Trump could gather his followers in the government and military (apparently, many members of the military are pro-Trump) and try to organize a coup to put him in power. That's highly unlikely though. Whatever their political leanings, most military members have a strong devotion to the Constitution and the established Chain of Command. They may grumble at who's in charge, but I doubt there are many people so angry that they'd turn their guns on their own superiors. Given that such an attempt would be treason, which would inevitably end up with the coup leaders being executed, I doubt Trump would want to sink his toes into that particular pond.

Realistically, a lot of Trump supporters will be very, very pissed off, and will insist that this proves the country has truly lost its way. Then they'll go home, watch Fox News telling them the same thing, and go to bed, just like after every other election.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Very little. He has decimated what little coalition he has...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:01 PM
Oct 2016

And I don't think he has the funds to do much of anything. Trump blabbering on the TV about things being rigged is nothing new. It would actually be out of place if he didn't.

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
6. but I like this funny answer from Matt Wasserman also at Quora
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:01 PM
Oct 2016

With any luck he’d declare himself President in Exile, move to the Azores, and we’d never hear from him again.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. N. A. G. D. T!!!!!
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:13 PM
Oct 2016

Which means "Not a god damned thing."

He can pout, and he can go home. We will move on without him. He won't lead, so he can either follow or get the hell out of the way.

But from a purely legal standpoint, what actually happens if come November 8, Donald Trump refuses to accept the election results? Honestly, depending on the circumstance, most likely not much of anything. Trump could file lawsuits, and challenge the various results in different states. He could even organize protesters to hit the streets. However, in most situations, the U.S. Constitution is pretty clear on telling us who would win. Bush v. Gore in 2000 gave us a rare example of what could happen if the popular vote in a state is very, very close. But the chances of having another situation like Florida are remote. In fact, the latest polls have Clinton ahead from 4 to 11 points. However, we are still a few weeks away from Election Day. So let’s go through a few potential scenarios.

...So if Clinton wins 270 or more of the 538 electoral votes, then there really is no wiggle room for Trump here, Clinton will win. If Trump doesn’t like it, he can send his supporters to the streets or file legal action, but a court would abide by the Constitution and decide in Clinton’s favor.

HAB911

(8,867 posts)
9. “In my mind, this is sedition,” one Air Force major explained. “I wouldn’t be allowed to say it.”
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:16 PM
Oct 2016

“I wouldn’t be allowed to say it.”

Article 94 of UCMJ defines sedition, in part, as: Someone with the “intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny.”

ColemanMaskell

(783 posts)
12. 18 US Code Chapter 115.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:23 PM
Oct 2016

From the same quora link:
Timothy Witt
18 US Code Chapter 115. If Trump were to encourage people to disobey the new administration/elected government as illegitimate, it would be sedition. His refusing to concede the election alone is not sedition. It will be looked at as “whining.”

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

tavernier

(12,368 posts)
13. Nothing. He'll go new wife shopping
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:31 PM
Oct 2016

to make himself feel better. And no, he won't chose from any of his female political fan club. They have no idea how he talks about them when the rally is over.

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
14. He could have one more trick up his slimy ass.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:36 PM
Oct 2016

Once the electoral college has voted, the outgoing House members (not the newly elected representatives) vote to accept the EC's result. Each state delegation gets one vote. Remembering how many teabagging creeps were swept in n 2010 and 2014, there's a possibility that the House might just vote against the EC and for Mr Muck. It could come down to which Clinton states have a majority of Trumpites in their House delegation. If it's enough to flip the election, I have a feeling the traditionalists in their party would go along with them.

No,the House vote isn't supposed to do this, but this bunch doesn't care about that.

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