Joe and Mika saying they have always been against Trump....

[LexVegas]

Mika says she has supported Clinton....just being a journalist and asking the hard questions. Joe saying he said he would not vote for Trump a long time ago. They must be getting savaged online.

[uponit7771]

1. lol, like tRump saying he's always respected women

[central scrutinizer]

71. At least Trump doesn't have a dead intern to explain

yet, that we know of anyway, unlike Joe

[Thrill]

2. They are the real ones responsible for Trump's rise

All throughout the primaries,they've been a free commercial for him

[MsMAC]

45. So was CNN, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC! Took them all a while

to realize the error of their ways! Now he whines that they're "biased!"

[Sorceress]

3. Twitter was brutal to them yesterday and rightly so.

I don't know if I can watch anymore. They have been particularly awful this week and New Day on CNN is pretty good.

[pangaia]

10. May I suggest listening to Mahler instead of watching those two nitwits.

Much better for your emotional and psychological well-being.

[Sorceress]

18. At the risk of embarrassing myself...

Who is Mahler?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. One of the most frequently recorded and performed composers

Gustav Mahler (German: [ˈmaːlɐ]; 7 July 1860, Kaliště in Bohemia, now Czech Republic – 18 May 1911, Vienna in Austria-Hungary) was an Austrian late-Romantic composer, and one of the leading conductors of his generation. As a composer he acted as a bridge between the 19th century Austro-German tradition and the modernism of the early 20th century. While in his lifetime his status as a conductor was established beyond question, his own music gained wide popularity only after periods of relative neglect which included a ban on its performance in much of Europe during the Nazi era. After 1945 his compositions were rediscovered and championed by a new generation of listeners; Mahler then became one of the most frequently performed and recorded of all composers, a position he has sustained into the 21st century.

-- Wikipedia

[CTyankee]

26. here...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Mahler

[pangaia]

34. Never be embarrassed about the chance to learn something. :>))

OR listen to Jean Sibelius 2nd Symphony.
here.

If time is short, start at 37:00,. I promise you will not be disappointed. (I used to be a timpanist)

[Bad Thoughts]

38. My favorite orchestral work of the Romantic era. eom.

[pangaia]

57. And that is the best recording I have ever heard.

[moonscape]

65. Wonderful - thank you! n/t

[pangaia]

70. Paavo Jarvi is a brilliant musician..

One of a handful of conductors, in my opinion, who really know what they are doing and dedicated to serving the music they present.

[Sorceress]

69. Ah! OK, thanks!!!

I was racking my brain for a radio/TV personality by that name and couldn't seem to place it. I know nothing about classical/orchestral though. I'll definitely give it a whirl.

[PJMcK]

33. Or Copland (n/t)

[forkol]

41. Yes, Copland!

Appalachian Spring and Theme for the Common Man!

Those two songs are quite apropos for this time as well!

My favorite modern composer.

Gonna have to load up my new mp3 player with this another appropriate music in case I have to stand in line voting.

[tavernier]

44. I played in the orchestra long ago

when Copland was the guest conductor back in the early sixties. He included some of his compositions that were frankly quite strange and, as the concert master later remarked, difficult to distinguish the melody from the orchestra tuning up.

[pangaia]

58. Are you sure that was Copland?

and not Xenakis? :&gt )

[tavernier]

64. Yes, a new composition he was trying out.

Time and tide has erased the title from my memory, but in truth, the entire orchestra agreed with the violinist. Still, a nice memory.

[pangaia]

66. I was joking.

In the late 40s and into the 60s Copland started using serial techniques, incorporating them into his otherwise rather bland harmonic pallet. Maybe you encountered one of these..

[pangaia]

60. Well, we will have to disagree about Copland, at least in general.

As resounding as the Fanfare for the Common Man is, I have played it so many times.. ugh.. not again! Being retired I am off the hook. :&gt ) Actually, it is a great balls to the wall little piece when in the right hands...but greatly overplayed. (ike the Barber Adagio For Strings.)

--or, Appaloosa Spring ( as we call it), :&gt

But, that's from the back of the orchestra.. or brass section.....

But I jest. It is a wonderful ballet. As is Billy the Kid.


Check out the Christopher Rouse FLUTE CONCERTO. I know both he and Carol Wincenc, who has recorded it. Chris' Trombone Concerto won a Pulitzer.

Let's keep the thread hijacked. much more interesting than TV entertainment newsey shows, is it not...

[HipChick]

13. I was not the one that twitter this but this is a gem..

Joe
Is that background windows behind you real? If so, I suggest you open the window and jump out...now!

[Sorceress]

19. Yes! If I am not mistaken, I think they may have even read that on air.

[DK504]

43. How can you watch them at all?

I'm a firm believer in lots of white noise so I can stubble through the day, but those two make me want to throw bricks through my tee-vee machine.

[Cosmocat]

47. Put MJ down!

I have been a long standing sufferer of the shitshow who has given up on them during the general in 11 after they did the same kind of jackassery against BHO - see regular standing POS saying he was a "dick"

.

I went cold turkey and did not watch them for four years until this year's primary, and I peeked in during a week where they were knocking Trump pretty good, but since then it has been acid reflux nearly every day with their twisted way of propping the dolt up while gleefully trashing Hillary.

Last week I had my fill and tuned into CNN and "discovered" Cuomo, and I have watched them every day, and seen him openly pushing back on the bullshit against Hillary.

I have repeatedly called for folks here to join me in getting off the MJ roller coster - dropping them completely, going to New Day AND e-mailing MSNBC and letting them know you will never against watch MJ, while supporting Cuomo and New Day.

[Hortensis]

63. Like you, I dumped them long ago but did start tuning

in during the campaigns to see what they're saying--because they are wired in. Not every day, not even every week, and I'll have no problem dumping them entirely, probably next spring when the new government settles in and things calm down.

No cold turkey needed, turning them on is no pleasure to be denied and, no matter how they may redye their feathers, I am terminally disgusted with them. Btw, OD'ed-and-gone this morning on maybe 10 seconds of an angry Joe mirroring Trump's own deluded dishonesty.

[JHB]

4. They have always been at war with Eastasia

At least now we know why Twitter is broken. Couldn't handle the pile of joe.

[Fast Walker 52]

5. haha, good one

[FailureToCommunicate]

32. +1!

[TonyPDX]

6. They've been ardent enablers-- now that he's tanked, they're embarrassed.

[Raster]

7. I think the coverage of tRump at last night's Al Smith Dinner pulled back the curtain...

...and effectively illustrated how off-kilter and deranged tRump truly is. Joe and Mika's aggressive/passive support for tRump has not gone unnoticed... neither have their manipulating their environment to be tRump-friendly.

[Littlered9560]

8. I don't watch,

But from what I read here he is trumps water boy 80% of the time. Is that about right?

[JTFrog]

11. Fuck you and all Republicans Joe. You fuckers created this monster and now you regret unleashing it?

Seriously. Say it ain't so Republican Joe the intern killer.

[BSdetect]

12. Imagine being such apologists for drumph all this time?

Now they are left exposed as such

[duncang]

14. They were making excuses fo him first rattle out of the box this a.m.

And joke was saying best gag ever. Joke can't keep his eyes off of twitter. Dipshit and joke need to go on a long lovers honeymoon some place.

[BobbyDrake]

15. Lying liars and the lies they tell: not just the title of an Al Franken book.

Those two are pathetic pathological liars.

[Duckhunter935]

16. Lol

I would not be surprised if they both are voting for Trump

[dicksmc3]

17. HUH???

I think when you start to lose your ratings and drop from 2nd to 4th in morning tv, they have to do something. So, looks like they are jumping ship also. No matter what they claim they always have given Trump tv time on the networks dime...

[DinahMoeHum]

20. Bull. Shit.

n/t

[JPZenger]

22. Yes, and Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia.

Joe and Mika help create the Trumpinstein monster by giving him so much free air time last year and not asking him any hard questions.

They are STILL being apologists for Trump.

The whole time slot should be turned over to Willie Geist, who can keep the parts that are worth keeping.

[dalton99]

24. CNN: "Scarborough, Brzezinski revise history, claim they didn't accommodate Trump"

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/20/media/morning-joe-bill-kristol-joe-scarborough-mika-brzezinski/

MSNBC's "Morning Joe" co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski argued Thursday that they had not been accommodating to Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign -- an attempt at revisionist history contradicted by hours of footage from their own show.

[EV_Ares]

25. All they are doing now is trying to save themselves & the MJ show. I would never believe anything

they say. If they were very good journalists which they are not, it would not even be a question in people's eyes & ears who they support. They are constantly talking about how well they know Trump like it is some kind of a badge of honor they are so well connected to him.

If Mika supports Clinton so strongly, she would not be basically attacking her every day on the show. She is totally dishonest about that.

Also, if they don't support Trump, then why do they run to his defense every time & their display of yesterday reeked of desperation, flailing about trying to defend his remark about accepting the election.

They are every bit as narcissistic as Trump is, they all belong together in the same basket.

[Cosmocat]

50. Mika is deplorable

I can't even begin to communicate how much disregard I have for her over Hillary.

She constantly pats herself on the back for being some great woman's advocate while a minute later chastizing Hillary for being oer confident or some similar kind of bullshit.

She will meekly and quietly say she voting for her, then launch into deeply emotional distriabes over every single fake "scandal" the right wing has ginned up against Hillary.

[Renew Deal]

27. Yesterday Kristol basically said that they were Trump supporters and that set them off

[Zambero]

55. Another day at the Waffle House

See no evil, hear no evil, say no evil....

[lapfog_1]

28. They don't care about the opinions of their viewers

They DO care about the opinions of their media colleagues and their ratings

[Thinkingabout]

29. They should know there is video of them praising Trump and miles of disparaging remarks

about Hillary. In fact Mika wanted Elizabeth Warren and said so many times. They had hours of pushing Bernie. I am glad she has since come out for Hillary and Joe sees Trump on both sides, still has some glowing remarks for Trump.

[Odin2005]

30. RW pundits have always been at war with Eastasia!

[doc03]

31. I turn those two on yesterday and they were ridiculing the

other media for talking about Trump's statement on not conceding the election if he loses..

[world wide wally]

36. Why does media defy logic anyway?

Common sense should tell us that since more people support Hillary than they do Trump, it would be better for ratings to lean toward her to attract the most viewers. Instead, they tend to be all-Trump all the time and alienate viewers.
They gave up on just reporting the "news" a long time ago and now simply back the Republicans because they want to compete with Fox and rake in those tax cuts.
Personally, I would rather earn more money to begin with.

[whatthehey]

51. look at the demographics of morning TV watchers, and that of Trump supporters

It's not like you will reach a huge ratio of working age educated adults when most people in that bloc are at best getting up to go to work. Stay at home folks and retirees however...

[Cha]

52. horserace pundits?

[Blue Idaho]

37. Media rats trying to desert a sinking ship.

Sorry kids, you've been tainted. Your Trumpstink won't rinse off and it won't wash out.

[yallerdawg]

39. Those two have tarnished MSNBC forever.

Their tacit support for Trump - and Sanders over Hillary, the Republican dream election - made me turn them off.

I 'channel surf' through all the cable news networks, and even this morning, these two were acknowledging Trump is not out of line to question election results.

Obviously, MSNBC wants a contested, dramatic, viewer-driving, revenue-generating election and AM Joe is still pedaling furiously.

[Kansaskid]

40. Problem with MJ

They have been rude and condescending to participants on their show. If they don't agree with them, they are shouted down. I doubt if Donny Deutsch will ever return after the way he was treated last week. Since he knows Trump well, he often had interesting insights. Joe interrupts those who know a lot more than he does, for example, Richard Haas. Shouting maybe great showmanship, but it does not add to the conversation. They have been particularly hard to watch since their trip to Trump tower a few weeks ago. Blackmail???

[DesertRat]

42. I wonder if anyone out west even watches them?

Morning Joe is on at 3-6 am here in Phoenix. Way too early for me!

[SDJay]

46. These Two Goofs Are So Full of Shit

They actually made Bill Kristol right about something.

[tenaciousdem]

53. puppy love

i'm embarrassed watching them. they're like 2 teenagers in puppy love. I think Mika needs to move a little closer to Joe, perhaps sitting in his lap.

[Zambero]

54. Take way their reset buttons

Some of us don't have that short of a memory.

[Wounded Bear]

56. Weren't they the ones...

who pioneered the idea of Trump dong phone interviews, like every day for a while?

So much free air time was given to Trump, we should start a #maketrumppay to pressure the IRS to make Trump claim all of the free income he got from it.

[cynatnite]

59. I've heard Mika say a few times she supported Hillary...

But, yeah, they pretty much laid out the red carpet for Trump during the primaries. There were times they savaged him on the show, but it was pretty irregular.

Joe went berserk when Harold Ford Jr criticized Trump for his refusal to accept the election outcome. I thought the asshole was going to come out of his chair.

[wordpix]

61. I caught one min of Joe this a.m., sounding subdued compared to

the day he savaged Harold Ford Jr. for no reason

[DFW]

62. I vass only following orders, und

I vass neffer a member of ze Nazi Party...........

[Bradical79]

67. Might be true, but they strike me as phony centerists.

The kind who are always about creating false equivilancies and trying to force all discussion to be middle of the road. Obviously doesn't work when you have someone center left going against a fascist.

[LeftRant]

68. Joe was annoying as hell again this morning.