2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat a white male retiree said to me while waiting in line to vote...(in Florida)
He told me that he is voting for Clinton because he has strong objections to the way Trump treats and talks about women.
He said he was a truck driver for many years and he never talked like that and can't condone it. He did not like Hillary and said he felt like he was voting for the lesser of the two evils...but he could not vote for Trump. He then told me that his wife likes Trump and is mad at him that he's voting Hillary. Then he grinned and leaned in closer to me and whispered, "Don't worry...she's Canadian and can't vote!"
Dem2
(8,168 posts)And that guy at the bar that's always complaining about Democrats? He admits that he's never voted.
DK504
(3,847 posts)After yesterday I hope they still feel this way.
Nice try
Cha
(297,154 posts)integrity.. I can't really see voting for trump and having any.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)knightmaar
(748 posts)That's just ... I can't imagine what has to happen to someone, born in our country, to completely 180 into that kind of insanity.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Ernest Partridge
(135 posts)I may be mistaken, but doesn't one become an American citizen when they marry an American citizen?
Unless, of course, the foreign-born spouse elects not to become an citizen.
Just wondering.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)sunweaver
(75 posts)If a foreigner marries an American citizen, they still have to apply for a green card, and then for citizenship. It's just that they go to the head of the line, instead of getting on a 10 year waiting list. (And, yes, it is 10 years for a Canadian.)
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)So I took his word for it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to imprison innocent people, using our nuclear weapons because if we have them we should, arresting journalists and/or closing down publications because they don't say "nice" things about him, promising to send an army of thugs to kidnap people from their homes and drop them in foreign countries, is clearly in favor of institutionalized racism and police executions of citizens, arresting Muslims for not telling the government about terrorist plots they knew nothing about? And on and on.
This is a nice story and a nice man, but what is WRONG with people?
Our nation is based on PRINCIPLES. Destroy them, the nation falls.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)But you really aren't supposed to. I forgot to mention that there was a greeter wearing a Hillary 2016 shirt that was standing in the area where candidate representatives are allowed to be. She was the first campaign representative there. I didn't see anyone for Trump there, but there was someone holding up a local candidate sign. I saw one of those red Trump hats. I got there 10 minutes before the doors opened and there were 30-50 people ahead of me. The line got long fast and the parking lot, which is big was overflowing into an adjacent field.
LOTS of people out getting their vote on!
My adult daughter is going to walk over and vote after she eats breakfast.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We didn't see any red Trump hats, but then just living in this area is taken to be identification.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,013 posts)reasons to vote against Trump and FOR Hillary. But, he'll maybe be able to see that in the coming weeks months and years.
Good luck to his marriage though!
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)We need more positive threads right now!
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thanks for sharing! Cheered me up!
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Positive threads are really important right now!
Kath1
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NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)There are some people holding up Trump signs now too. There is a really loud young male voter behind her that just said he hates Trump.
marlakay
(11,451 posts)I thought you weren't allowed to do that near voter places, having signs, wearing shirts with stuff written on it etc.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)It's not a violation and there are election officials monitoring outside. There were a variety of candidate reps standing near each other with signs and shirts and they were not misbehaving.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)There were so many reasons, that was just the last straw. Of course, he's now for Trump, but I saved my sons.
PunksMom
(440 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)PunksMom
(440 posts)He was deep into politics his entire life as well. He passed that down to his children. One of the BEST things he could have done for us. You Go Mama😊 you should've proud.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)4 more years
(100 posts)I'm retired over 65 and white. I can't tell you how hard it is living in Ga and having so many dump ass whites living all around me. But you can't judge a book by its cover. I've been surprised many times. Yes my wife and I are voting for Hillary.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Hopefully the younger generation will not end up so jaded.
classykaren
(769 posts)Big_K
(237 posts)and got the hell out as soon as I could.
Now I'm in Scott Walker's Wisconsin. And Paul Ryan is our congressman. I'm thinking that I could be in a f*ucked up Republican state down south, and at least there wouldn't be blizzards.
-Steph-
(409 posts)They were standing near the gas pumps talking about the election and one of them said something along the lines of "What do you think about that Donald Trump?". Every single one of them said there was no way they could vote for him. I could tell by the things they were saying that they were Republicans. One of their main complaints seemed to be that they didn't like how Trump acts like he can just say and do whatever the heck he wants because he thinks he's more powerful than everyone else.
I live in a small town in the Midwest. My town ALWAYS goes Republican for everything. To hear these men say they couldn't vote for him, was an eye opener for me. If he can't get older, white, male Republicans in MY town.. then he is doing even worse than I thought he was. These men should have been right in his wheelhouse.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)I think it's the over 40 but not yet retired white men that are working hard and not getting ahead that he appeals to. I don't even think it's so much that they like him as much as it is they hate their circumstances and Trump has fooled them into directing it towards Hillary and trade/immigrants/minorities "stealing all the jobs and business prospects." That is why I really wish Clinton's campaign would expose Trump for cheating all those contractors and Americans trying to succeed from Trump University with ads. I think it would pull some of those Trump supporters into Clinton's camp. Not all...but some...enough to matter.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)like that lady caught for trying to vote twice in Iowa. Just sayin'.
So glad that the majority of women are for Hillary. Sadly, the 40% who aren't (or whatever) are so bewilderingly to me as a guy... like, HOW???
Big_K
(237 posts)... tell their husbands and the polls they're voting for Trump, and when the curtain closes on the voting booth they've punching Clinton. Wonder if the exit polls will end up wildly different from the actual results. "RIGGED! RIGGED! RIGGED!" will shout orange Hitler with his cat anus mouth.
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)sadly, there are too many like the one who called for revolution directly to Pence --
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-election-2016/
and the one I think down in Virginia or such who was corrected by her husband when she said they should revolt, and he said she means protest, and she looked at him and said no I mean revolution!
These people are nuts. Sadly, just like at a bar, ladies have a hand in violence far too often. I used to run karaoke, and women started half the fights, and of course it would draw the men in to the fights that the lady had started with a man or woman.
Trump vocalizes what they want to hear. They are angry and wanna start crap. I think he is truly deplorable but these people are the people coming to his rallies because hate is on their minds, and Hillary hit a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th with 2 strikes, 2 out, 3 runners on and trailing by 3 when she uttered about the Basket of Deplorables.
4 more years
(100 posts)Yeah I think the high school grad over 40 that has been left behind are what trump is going after. These poor dumb ass people don't realize they are voting against their own self interest. They have a very short memory about what got them in the mess. Bitch, moan and blame Hillary for their lack of success. They were too damn lazy to get a proper education and I'm not only talking about college.
Oh and they like a racist, homophobic and sexual predator as president.
knightmaar
(748 posts)I've seen Republicans who, for one reason or another, migrate here. After a few years of non-Fox-News-watching and being exposed to how our healthcare system doesn't suck the way they've been made to believe, they gradually become non-Republican.
I didn't imagine, however, that a Canadian, raised in our system of social equity, could morph all the way into a Trump supporter, with all the poverty bashing and racism that implies.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)That made me spit water out of my mouth.
niyad
(113,263 posts)Akamai
(1,779 posts)Heh! Heh! Heh! Heh!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Even here in Canada. And that 20% can be used by snake oil Cons to expand their numbers by going full missionary and blanketing media with fake stories, rumours, and CTs. It works because these idiots actually believe the nonsense, or have convinced themselves that it MUST be true in order to have the kind of zeal they have in spreading the Word.
arthritisR_US
(7,287 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)From the Toronto Star Saturday, June 5, 2004 Front pPage of B Section National Report : The caption under the photo that day was, A member of Canadians for Equal Marriage, right, gets hit by a stick during a rally for Conservative Leader Stephen Harper in Guelph this week. Harper supports the concept of traditional marriage.
We had that asshole Harper as our PM for 10 bloody years!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)there is always going to be fuck ups in any population. At least you guys have a great healthcare system and sane gun laws.
arthritisR_US
(7,287 posts)Sunny05
(865 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)thanks for that
qwlauren35
(6,147 posts)Just the description "retiree, former truck driver" suggests Trump supporter. SURPRISE! Never good to stereotype.
(Not saying that you did...)
I'm glad you had such a positive experience in line, and I hope you didn't wait too long. I think I'm going tomorrow morning.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)He was right behind me when I was walking to join the line. We both passed the woman greeting people in a Clinton T-shirt. I gave her a thumbs up as a sign that I was voting Clinton. The man behind me looked at her and said, "That's who I'm voting for!" So I turned around and said, "Me too!" Then we started having a conversation where he told me the other stuff, lol.
qwlauren35
(6,147 posts)Retired truck driver... instead of "fellow American". I find myself lumping people into camps. Who would have thought that my husband, a black Desert Storm vet, would back Jill Stein.
Everyone who votes is an American, and entitled to make their voice heard. Sometimes I forget, until I get in that line. When I'm in that line, I do not care who you're voting for. I am so happy that you chose to get in line, to make your voice heard, to take voting seriously, to believe in democracy. I am not partisan when I am in the line. I'm just an American.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)as another fellow Canadian would say:
"Is she mental?"