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RandySF

(58,768 posts)
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 10:29 PM Oct 2016

Trump supporters bring dogs to early voting places in Cincinnati

Jim Wallis ?@jimwallis 20m20 minutes ago Washington, DC
Trump supporters--men with dogs--showed up at early voting polling place in Cincinnati to intimidate black voters. Yelling matches ensued.

https://twitter.com/jimwallis

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Trump supporters bring dogs to early voting places in Cincinnati (Original Post) RandySF Oct 2016 OP
Voter intimidation Farmgirl1961 Oct 2016 #1
Corporate media ain't gonna cover this. Iliyah Oct 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Oct 2016 #3
Arrest Them. If They Resist The 2nd Amendment Solution May Be Necessary. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #4
Were they really attack dogs? MichMan Oct 2016 #6
The Kind Of Dog Was Not Clear. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #7
We can assume they're not Pomeranians, tho jmowreader Oct 2016 #16
If voters are scared of the dogs, it doesn't matter what kind of dogs those are. LisaL Oct 2016 #8
Oh hell no. elehhhhna Oct 2016 #10
Even service dogs? n/t MichMan Nov 2016 #50
As long as the dog has teeth, it can attack. nt SunSeeker Oct 2016 #11
So ban seeing eye dogs too? MichMan Nov 2016 #51
Of course not, but have to actually be certified service animals. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #55
just retweeted it dlwickham Oct 2016 #5
I thought the Republican party was under some type of order because of past actions. Thinkingabout Oct 2016 #9
It is. And the DNC has filed a complaint that the GOP is violating that order. SunSeeker Oct 2016 #12
The RNC is. But Trump doesn't give a rats ass about the Consent Decree Stonepounder Oct 2016 #13
Need more proof metroins Oct 2016 #14
Jim Wallis isn't "very left." pnwmom Oct 2016 #15
I would need proof metroins Oct 2016 #17
Based on what? His positions are well known. He isn't far left. n/t pnwmom Oct 2016 #19
It's my opinion of him metroins Oct 2016 #20
What specifically leads you to believe he is far left? LanternWaste Oct 2016 #39
It's my opinion of him metroins Oct 2016 #43
Was this tweeted from a smartphone at the scene? jberryhill Nov 2016 #52
Your implication is that the far left are liars? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #45
There's no excuse for not having photos EL34x4 Oct 2016 #36
My god, these people are vile, vile creatures. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2016 #18
I went through all the messages at the link-there's not any evidence to support this NBachers Oct 2016 #22
So you actually think the MSM would report on this? Island Blue Oct 2016 #27
Be sure the DNC finds out so they can report it & get the GOP restrictions put in place again Crash2Parties Oct 2016 #23
It's past time to make voter suppression the most severe crime in this country. 47of74 Oct 2016 #24
This is much worse than it looks, here's why... Puzzler Oct 2016 #25
Dogs also harken back to the 1960s Island Blue Oct 2016 #28
this comes to mind Grey Lemercier Oct 2016 #34
Should service dogs be banned? MichMan Nov 2016 #53
No. Not at all. But... Puzzler Nov 2016 #56
Trump supporters ARE dogs, BlueProgressive Oct 2016 #26
I don't think this tweet has been verified. n/t bathroommonkey76 Oct 2016 #29
agreed, without a photo from a cell phone which is easy as pie, then we need more, like the Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #31
Check this Oath Keepers video that was posted on the 26th bathroommonkey76 Oct 2016 #35
Wow... Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #38
I take they don't mean Cocker Spaniels get the red out Oct 2016 #30
Damn, these fuckers are brazen lillypaddle Oct 2016 #32
All this stuff needs to be documented. avebury Oct 2016 #33
Everyone can be a photographer/film maker these days. Document, document, document! Vinca Oct 2016 #37
I knew it! Dogs are trying to rig the election democrattotheend Oct 2016 #40
Cincinatti Inquirer reports no evidence of dogs in polls (2 hr ago) Eleanors38 Oct 2016 #41
Deplorables. tRump is rigging the election. madinmaryland Oct 2016 #42
Not true MichMan Nov 2016 #44
I don't think so. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #46
Is this guy lying too? MichMan Nov 2016 #48
According to NYT it's not true. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2016 #47
Doesn't the ADA require service dogs to be allowed at polling places? MichMan Nov 2016 #49
Won't bother me. I love dogs! Joe941 Nov 2016 #54

Response to RandySF (Original post)

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
4. Arrest Them. If They Resist The 2nd Amendment Solution May Be Necessary.
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 10:32 PM
Oct 2016

An attack dog is a weapon just like a gun and can be deadly.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
6. Were they really attack dogs?
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 10:41 PM
Oct 2016

A menacing looking Rottie is one thing, but a Labrador is not very intimidating IMO

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
7. The Kind Of Dog Was Not Clear.
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 10:44 PM
Oct 2016

Attack dog or not direct intimidation of a voter is a crime. They can be arrested and if they resist or act as a threat they are subject to the same tactics as any other law breaker.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
51. So ban seeing eye dogs too?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 01:00 PM
Nov 2016

Cincinnati Enquirer article excerpt

Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. "I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash," he said in a text Monday morning. "But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that."


http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/31/no-evidence-trump-supporters-dogs-voter-intimidation-jim-wallis-tweet-claim-cincinnati/93044168/

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
55. Of course not, but have to actually be certified service animals.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 01:54 PM
Nov 2016

Service animals are trained to remain calm and not attack. There is always an exception for service animals, as required by the ADA.

But at least one "large dog" at the polling place was not a service animal, as your excerpt notes. And "friendly" is a matter of opinion.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
13. The RNC is. But Trump doesn't give a rats ass about the Consent Decree
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 11:41 PM
Oct 2016

and is operating strictly on his own. But it may affect the RNC since he is their candidate. I read somewhere that the Dems are already asking for an extension on the Consent Decree.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
14. Need more proof
Sun Oct 30, 2016, 11:58 PM
Oct 2016

Than a tweet from a biased person. (Tweeter is obviously very left)

I'm all for Trump hating but crying foul without proof only hurts our outreach. There's plenty to hit Trump and his apertures on with proof.

Need a picture or something or corroborating witness.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
15. Jim Wallis isn't "very left."
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 12:06 AM
Oct 2016

He's an evangelical Christian writer who also believes in social justice.

There is no reason to think he'd be making this up.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
20. It's my opinion of him
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 12:33 AM
Oct 2016

You can believe what you want but I'm not going off a tweet to believe this.

I need corroborating stories or proof before I get outraged.

Honestly, I'm mad that the Billy Bush story has gone away. Trump admitted to sexual assault and this should last longer than a month in the news. He should be as toxic as Cosby.

I think this tweet is a non starter.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
39. What specifically leads you to believe he is far left?
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:12 PM
Oct 2016

What specifically leads you to believe he is far left?

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
45. Your implication is that the far left are liars?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 09:18 AM
Nov 2016

I disagree. I am pretty far left and would not make something like this up. When I was canvassing for Obama in 08, a nasty Palinesque voter who was registered as a Dem but was no such thing...threatened me with his big mean looking dog. I used to have my daughter sit in the car with her hand on 911 just in case. I carried pepper spray too. I avoided the houses with confederate flags as well...by the way this was Ohio... in the sticks. I told him, "it would be a shame to kill such a fine animal so perhaps he might want to reconsider", with head held high (but secretly scared to death) I walked away. It is not difficult to believe that some of these asshat Trump voters might have dogs at polling places...and it is illegal to have your phone on in some polling places...I had to turn mine off when I early voted in Trumbull Country Ohio.

NBachers

(17,103 posts)
22. I went through all the messages at the link-there's not any evidence to support this
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 12:38 AM
Oct 2016

besides the original tweet. I'll delete this post if evidence is shown that it happened, but all I can find on Google is the original message.

Island Blue

(5,815 posts)
27. So you actually think the MSM would report on this?
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:26 AM
Oct 2016

Good luck with that. I think Jim Wallis is a reliable source. He's not a partisan hack, but a man who's life's mission is social justice.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
23. Be sure the DNC finds out so they can report it & get the GOP restrictions put in place again
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 12:41 AM
Oct 2016

They expire this year otherwise. If you have a Dem federal representative send the story on to them?

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
24. It's past time to make voter suppression the most severe crime in this country.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 01:07 AM
Oct 2016

And make it mandatory for people engaging in voter suppression to be sentenced to life imprisonment. There is no other way. They won't stop trying this shit otherwise.

Puzzler

(2,505 posts)
25. This is much worse than it looks, here's why...
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 01:30 AM
Oct 2016

... as much as I love dogs, (I have had two wonderful dogs in my life) it has to be clearly understood that the presence of dogs around a voting area will deter many Muslims and other significant religious/cultural minorities from voting.

Whether we like this or not, it is a fact that some of these religious groups consider dogs "unclean" and cannot and will not approach them.

I know this anti-dog belief is hard for many of us to understand, but I have worked on and off for almost 3 decades as a cab driver. Therefore, I have had the privilege of knowing many people (mainly men) from other cultures. Dogs for many of these people I knew (and still) know are very much a taboo. So much so that touching dogs to many of these cultures, required a certain ritual washing to cleanse themselves.

I am not here to argue about the validity of other religious beliefs. But surrounding a voting area with dogs will deter some minorities (sorry for that word, I simply mean it in context, and not as a judgment of their validity or values) from voting.

Even though I am an atheist, I call foul! I mean this very strongly. While I'm not suggesting that in the US or Canada we need to go out of our way to not offend religious groups with our pets... what I am saying that surrounding a voting area with dogs is a clear and blatant violation of the freedom to vote.

If anyone thinks I am making a fuss over nothing, I assure you I am not. Surrounding voting areas deliberately with dogs needs to be addressed immediately!!!

My apologies for dog owners for my stance.
But voting rights should and cannot be impeded. To repeat this needs to be addressed ASAP!

-P

Island Blue

(5,815 posts)
28. Dogs also harken back to the 1960s
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:30 AM
Oct 2016

when cops used dogs to attack African American Civil Rights protesters in Mississippi, Alabama and other places.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
53. Should service dogs be banned?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 01:35 PM
Nov 2016

While I understand your position on Muslims, should service dogs be banned? Doesn't that suppress the vote of people that rely on them?

Puzzler

(2,505 posts)
56. No. Not at all. But...
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 07:30 PM
Nov 2016

...there's a big difference between talking about service dogs, and surrounding a polling place with dogs. And doing it all day.

To be clear, I referring to the deliberate use of a large number of dogs to deter voters. In no way am I advocating against service dogs in polling places.

I mean this in a friendly tone, BTW.

-P

 

BlueProgressive

(229 posts)
26. Trump supporters ARE dogs,
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:45 AM
Oct 2016

so it's hard for them to avoid it.

Bow wow wow.


Seems like this could be against sundry local ordinances or building rules, depending on the particular polling place...



Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
31. agreed, without a photo from a cell phone which is easy as pie, then we need more, like the
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:00 AM
Oct 2016

NC guy carrying the bat!!!

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
38. Wow...
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:11 PM
Oct 2016

The only thing they need to accomplish their job is hold a MIRROR towards themselves!

Voter fraud and intimidation would be right in front of them!

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
30. I take they don't mean Cocker Spaniels
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:54 AM
Oct 2016

Horrible! But it shows what cowards they are. Hiding behind guns and dogs. Real men, right?

lillypaddle

(9,580 posts)
32. Damn, these fuckers are brazen
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:17 AM
Oct 2016

I wasn't too worried about the worried talk as to what will happen when Donnie loses, but I'm having second thoughts.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
33. All this stuff needs to be documented.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:41 AM
Oct 2016

If we can document a wide spread movement to intimidate voters, the Democrat Party needs to go to court RE the Consent Degree and demand that it be extended way longer than an additional 8 years.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
37. Everyone can be a photographer/film maker these days. Document, document, document!
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:23 AM
Oct 2016

It wouldn't hurt to get it on the air and on the Internet now, either.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
40. I knew it! Dogs are trying to rig the election
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:28 PM
Oct 2016

I thought most of the dogs voting were for Hillary, but maybe some of them are for Trump.

Here's my investigative file so far on dogs and cats rigging the election:
https://democrattotheend.tumblr.com/post/152388065227/the-election-is-being-rigged

If I discover more evidence I will be forced to notify Republicans in Congress.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
48. Is this guy lying too?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:49 PM
Nov 2016

Sounds very intimidating and obvious voter suppression

From the Cincinnati Enquirer article

Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. "I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash," he said in a text Monday morning. "But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that."



http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/31/no-evidence-trump-supporters-dogs-voter-intimidation-jim-wallis-tweet-claim-cincinnati/93044168/

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
47. According to NYT it's not true.
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 09:24 AM
Nov 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/politics/voter-fraud-anxiety.html?_r=0

"One of the most fiercely contested battlegrounds, Ohio, has been a hotbed of suspicion. Over the weekend, a political activist with more than 30,000 Twitter followers wrote a post claiming that Trump supporters with dogs were threatening black voters who went to the polls early in Cincinnati. The post sent his followers into a frenzy, but local officials said the man, Jim Wallis, was making a false claim. The message was later deleted."

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
49. Doesn't the ADA require service dogs to be allowed at polling places?
Tue Nov 1, 2016, 12:52 PM
Nov 2016

I hope people really aren't complaining about service dogs at polling places ??

Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. "I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash," he said in a text Monday morning. "But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that."




http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/31/no-evidence-trump-supporters-dogs-voter-intimidation-jim-wallis-tweet-claim-cincinnati/93044168/

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