2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump supporters bring dogs to early voting places in Cincinnati
Jim Wallis ?@jimwallis 20m20 minutes ago Washington, DC
Trump supporters--men with dogs--showed up at early voting polling place in Cincinnati to intimidate black voters. Yelling matches ensued.
https://twitter.com/jimwallis
Farmgirl1961
(1,493 posts)Should be reported at once!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Response to RandySF (Original post)
LisaL This message was self-deleted by its author.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)An attack dog is a weapon just like a gun and can be deadly.
MichMan
(11,910 posts)A menacing looking Rottie is one thing, but a Labrador is not very intimidating IMO
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Attack dog or not direct intimidation of a voter is a crime. They can be arrested and if they resist or act as a threat they are subject to the same tactics as any other law breaker.
jmowreader
(50,553 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)MichMan
(11,910 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)MichMan
(11,910 posts)Cincinnati Enquirer article excerpt
Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. "I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash," he said in a text Monday morning. "But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that."
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/31/no-evidence-trump-supporters-dogs-voter-intimidation-jim-wallis-tweet-claim-cincinnati/93044168/
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Service animals are trained to remain calm and not attack. There is always an exception for service animals, as required by the ADA.
But at least one "large dog" at the polling place was not a service animal, as your excerpt notes. And "friendly" is a matter of opinion.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)and is operating strictly on his own. But it may affect the RNC since he is their candidate. I read somewhere that the Dems are already asking for an extension on the Consent Decree.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Than a tweet from a biased person. (Tweeter is obviously very left)
I'm all for Trump hating but crying foul without proof only hurts our outreach. There's plenty to hit Trump and his apertures on with proof.
Need a picture or something or corroborating witness.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)He's an evangelical Christian writer who also believes in social justice.
There is no reason to think he'd be making this up.
metroins
(2,550 posts)You can believe based off a tweet but I can't.
I think he is far left.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)You can believe what you want but I'm not going off a tweet to believe this.
I need corroborating stories or proof before I get outraged.
Honestly, I'm mad that the Billy Bush story has gone away. Trump admitted to sexual assault and this should last longer than a month in the news. He should be as toxic as Cosby.
I think this tweet is a non starter.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)What specifically leads you to believe he is far left?
metroins
(2,550 posts)Like it or don't.
Discussing it is a waste of time.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Was the camera broken?
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)I disagree. I am pretty far left and would not make something like this up. When I was canvassing for Obama in 08, a nasty Palinesque voter who was registered as a Dem but was no such thing...threatened me with his big mean looking dog. I used to have my daughter sit in the car with her hand on 911 just in case. I carried pepper spray too. I avoided the houses with confederate flags as well...by the way this was Ohio... in the sticks. I told him, "it would be a shame to kill such a fine animal so perhaps he might want to reconsider", with head held high (but secretly scared to death) I walked away. It is not difficult to believe that some of these asshat Trump voters might have dogs at polling places...and it is illegal to have your phone on in some polling places...I had to turn mine off when I early voted in Trumbull Country Ohio.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)This is 2016. Everyone has a camera in their pocket.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)We cannot let their fearful leader win this election.
NBachers
(17,103 posts)besides the original tweet. I'll delete this post if evidence is shown that it happened, but all I can find on Google is the original message.
Island Blue
(5,815 posts)Good luck with that. I think Jim Wallis is a reliable source. He's not a partisan hack, but a man who's life's mission is social justice.
Crash2Parties
(6,017 posts)They expire this year otherwise. If you have a Dem federal representative send the story on to them?
47of74
(18,470 posts)And make it mandatory for people engaging in voter suppression to be sentenced to life imprisonment. There is no other way. They won't stop trying this shit otherwise.
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)... as much as I love dogs, (I have had two wonderful dogs in my life) it has to be clearly understood that the presence of dogs around a voting area will deter many Muslims and other significant religious/cultural minorities from voting.
Whether we like this or not, it is a fact that some of these religious groups consider dogs "unclean" and cannot and will not approach them.
I know this anti-dog belief is hard for many of us to understand, but I have worked on and off for almost 3 decades as a cab driver. Therefore, I have had the privilege of knowing many people (mainly men) from other cultures. Dogs for many of these people I knew (and still) know are very much a taboo. So much so that touching dogs to many of these cultures, required a certain ritual washing to cleanse themselves.
I am not here to argue about the validity of other religious beliefs. But surrounding a voting area with dogs will deter some minorities (sorry for that word, I simply mean it in context, and not as a judgment of their validity or values) from voting.
Even though I am an atheist, I call foul! I mean this very strongly. While I'm not suggesting that in the US or Canada we need to go out of our way to not offend religious groups with our pets... what I am saying that surrounding a voting area with dogs is a clear and blatant violation of the freedom to vote.
If anyone thinks I am making a fuss over nothing, I assure you I am not. Surrounding voting areas deliberately with dogs needs to be addressed immediately!!!
My apologies for dog owners for my stance.
But voting rights should and cannot be impeded. To repeat this needs to be addressed ASAP!
-P
Island Blue
(5,815 posts)when cops used dogs to attack African American Civil Rights protesters in Mississippi, Alabama and other places.
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)MichMan
(11,910 posts)While I understand your position on Muslims, should service dogs be banned? Doesn't that suppress the vote of people that rely on them?
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)...there's a big difference between talking about service dogs, and surrounding a polling place with dogs. And doing it all day.
To be clear, I referring to the deliberate use of a large number of dogs to deter voters. In no way am I advocating against service dogs in polling places.
I mean this in a friendly tone, BTW.
-P
BlueProgressive
(229 posts)so it's hard for them to avoid it.
Bow wow wow.
Seems like this could be against sundry local ordinances or building rules, depending on the particular polling place...
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)NC guy carrying the bat!!!
bathroommonkey76
(3,827 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)The only thing they need to accomplish their job is hold a MIRROR towards themselves!
Voter fraud and intimidation would be right in front of them!
get the red out
(13,461 posts)Horrible! But it shows what cowards they are. Hiding behind guns and dogs. Real men, right?
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I wasn't too worried about the worried talk as to what will happen when Donnie loses, but I'm having second thoughts.
avebury
(10,952 posts)If we can document a wide spread movement to intimidate voters, the Democrat Party needs to go to court RE the Consent Degree and demand that it be extended way longer than an additional 8 years.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)It wouldn't hurt to get it on the air and on the Internet now, either.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I thought most of the dogs voting were for Hillary, but maybe some of them are for Trump.
Here's my investigative file so far on dogs and cats rigging the election:
https://democrattotheend.tumblr.com/post/152388065227/the-election-is-being-rigged
If I discover more evidence I will be forced to notify Republicans in Congress.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)MichMan
(11,910 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)MichMan
(11,910 posts)Sounds very intimidating and obvious voter suppression
From the Cincinnati Enquirer article
Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. "I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash," he said in a text Monday morning. "But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that."
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/31/no-evidence-trump-supporters-dogs-voter-intimidation-jim-wallis-tweet-claim-cincinnati/93044168/
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)"One of the most fiercely contested battlegrounds, Ohio, has been a hotbed of suspicion. Over the weekend, a political activist with more than 30,000 Twitter followers wrote a post claiming that Trump supporters with dogs were threatening black voters who went to the polls early in Cincinnati. The post sent his followers into a frenzy, but local officials said the man, Jim Wallis, was making a false claim. The message was later deleted."
MichMan
(11,910 posts)I hope people really aren't complaining about service dogs at polling places ??
Tim Burke, chairman of the Board of Elections and of the Hamilton County Democratic Party, said he was at the board both Saturday and Sunday. "I saw a couple of seeing eye dogs, one miniature horse wearing a campaign sign and another rather large but friendly dog on a leash," he said in a text Monday morning. "But saw nothing like that nor did I hear of anything like that."
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/31/no-evidence-trump-supporters-dogs-voter-intimidation-jim-wallis-tweet-claim-cincinnati/93044168/