2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump is Toast: The shoe just dropped regarding his ties to Russia
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Edit:
David Corn just brought the "full shoe rack" contra Trump. Credit to http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2565294
When you finish reading that post you can come back to mine. Or not. I'm a happy man either way.
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FBI is investigating Manafort. That's great news for Hillary but not a kill shot to Trump's campaign. Well, maybe it will be. Let's look into the story further. The quote from NBC first.
The FBI has been conducting a preliminary inquiry into Donald Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort's foreign business connections, law enforcement and intelligence sources told NBC News Monday.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-making-inquiry-ex-trump-campaign-manager-s-foreign-ties-n675881
Yesterday Harry Reid sent his letter to Comey which alleged that Comey knew of Trump and Putin's collaboration. I thought that it was very likely that the Russian story would drop today. And it did.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2562258
My take is that there's been a very interesting dance that has taken place today. Comey is looking for friends, and not finding many. Comey got himself into an impossible situation, legally, ethically and politically. And the pressure was ratcheted up on him massively today.
Here's what I think occurred. Reid sends the letter to Comey, signaling to partisans that it's time to move. The next day it is revealed that Comey didn't want to disclose Russian meddling "for fear it would influence the election." At that moment, Comey is toast if the president wants him to be. The rationale for disclosing the Weiner emails is no longer valid. He arguably has violated the Hatch act, along with his ethical obligations that govern FBI directors. Former prosecutors including Alberto Gonzales are howling. (That's a bad day if Alberto is on your jock about ethics.)
However, Obama being the cool customer he always is, extended an olive branch today. They didn't jump on the anti-Comey bandwagon. They took no position on his Weiner letter. People on the left then freaked out. But I think that what really happened is that Obama signaled to Comey that we can still be buddies, but get the hell out of the way, because the Russian investigation is going to be revealed. And then the shoe dropped.
Look for steady drips of information coming against Trump in the next 48 hours. (A la the server article in Slate)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512564898
Why do I say that Trump is toast? Because the most exciting part of the NBC story is that it references, "Law enforcement and intelligence sources told NBC News Monday." Multiple sources in multiple agencies is GREAT. And guess what "intelligence sources" means? CIA.
By the way, that "bombshell" Brian Ross story is old. I get excited for a microsecond every time I read the headline.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)come on, MSM, where are the BREAKING NEWS BANNERS!
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)CNN showed Reid's letter and statement about Russian ties a short time ago and mentioned they have not been able to corroborate yet.
ananda
(31,054 posts).. which was a ridiculous ply by Congress and Comey
to try to make something out of nothing.
This is most definitely NOT nothing!
progressoid
(50,866 posts)KentuckyWoman
(6,917 posts)They just want to make sure there's some substance behind the accusations and investigations first.
Wink Wink
47of74
(18,470 posts)RiverStone
(7,242 posts)...To reveal. Bet by Wednesday this will be the NEW October surprise. The MSM can't keep the race tied forever *sarcasm*
rzemanfl
(30,316 posts)Treason affects everybody. Only half of us have that part to grab.
We need to pile on now.
ebbie15644
(1,235 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)mrJJ
(886 posts)snip:
An ABC News investigation has found that Donald Trump has numerous ties to Russian interests both here in the United States and in Russia. The level of business amounts to hundreds of millions of dollars what he received as a result of interaction with Russian businessmen. They were happy to invest with him, and they were happy to work with Donald Trump. And they were happy to associate[and] be associated with Donald Trump says Sergei Millian, who heads a U.S.-Russia business group.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/31/october-surprise-abc-uncovers-millions-payments-russia-trump/
regnaD kciN
(26,668 posts)elias7
(4,213 posts)In any event, this is a very interesting and insightful take on this whirlwind...
Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)They know he is investigating Trump/Manafort, they know it's going to come out, and after it comes out they can't suddenly be pro-Comey. That pivot would be too neck-breaking.
Skittles
(160,809 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)hope it is before the election.
whttevrr
(2,347 posts)
Soon, the New York Times Eric Lichtblau and Steven Lee Myers began chasing the story. (They are still pursuing it.) Lichtblau met with a Washington representative of Alfa Bank on Sept. 21, and the bank denied having any connection to Trump. (Lichtblau told me that Times policy prevents him from commenting on his reporting.)
The Times hadnt yet been in touch with the Trump campaignLichtblau spoke with the campaign a week laterbut shortly after it reached out to Alfa, the Trump domain name in question seemed to suddenly stop working. When the scientists looked up the host, the DNS server returned a fail message, evidence that it no longer functioned. Or as it is technically diagnosed, it had SERVFAILed. (On the timeline above, this is the moment at the end of the chronology when the traffic abruptly spikes, as servers frantically attempt to resend rejected messages.) The computer scientists believe there was one logical conclusion to be drawn: The Trump organization shut down the server after Alfa was told that the Times might expose the connection. Nicholas Weaver told me the Trump domain was very sloppily removed. Or as another of the researchers put it, it looked like the knee was hit in Moscow, the leg kicked in New York.
From:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html
Four days later, on September 27, the Trump organization created a new host name, trump1.contact-client.com, which enabled communication to the very same server via a different route. When a new host name is created, the first communication with it is never random. To reach the server after the resetting of the host name, the sender of the first inbound mail has to first learn of the name somehow. Its simply impossible to randomly reach a renamed server. That party had to have some kind of outbound message through sms, phone, or some non-internet channel they used to communicate [the new configuration], Paul Vixie told me. The first attempt to look up the revised host name came from Alfa Bank. If this was a public server, we would have seen other traces, Vixie says. The only look-ups came from this particular source.
According to Vixie and others, the new host name may have represented an attempt to establish a new channel of communication. But media inquiries into the nature of Trumps relationship with Alfa Bank, which suggested that their communications were being monitored, may have deterred the parties from using it. Soon after the New York Times began to ask questions, the traffic between the servers stopped cold.
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Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)whttevrr
(2,347 posts)It pretty much lays the technical aside and turns the story into readily understandable concepts.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Since they are all still squawking about this.
Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)He just needed to know he has a wall to hang his shingle. The Obamas absolutely discussed at great length how to approach the Comey question at the White House presser. It would have been so easy for them to say that they disagreed. But they didn't. Maybe 2 dimensional chess. Definitely not checkers.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)Glad I posted when I did.
Martin Eden
(13,667 posts)There may be a few voters in swing states who might be swayed, but for the most part it's all about GOTV now.
Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)Martin Eden
(13,667 posts)I'll be very surprised if this becomes a NOVEMBER BOMBSHELL that actually dissuades Trump's erstwhile supporters from voting for him.
No rational person would vote for Trump. His supporters aren't rational.
I'm not even holding my breath for the MSM to make a big deal out of this. I lost what little faith I had in the Fourth Estate during GW's fraudulent campaign to sell the war in Iraq.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Trump voters have a long history of ignoring inconvenient truth.
jaxind
(1,074 posts)I want Comey to go down, and then talk, and bring down all the Rethugs with him!!!!
Persondem
(2,097 posts)I want a 500 foot tidal wave to cleanse this country of Trump and all he purports to stand for.
bucolic_frolic
(47,963 posts)have to wait and see
Trump was toast Thursday, now it's not as certain, though what's really
back in play is the House and Senate, too early to tell the impact there
and who knows the effect on the weak Trump supporters who had given up,
are they returning to vote now?
Lots more will be known by Thursday evening for sure
doc03
(37,122 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)often it's propaganda rather than news.
yardwork
(64,968 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)in the US today. At one time I had though Rachel Maddow was doing it, but it's pretty clear IMO Comcast has her well under control now, and a big salary. Keith Olbermann is gone, as well as any that would try to present the real facts.
Instead, we get flavors of propaganda across the media outlets and sadly far too many people watch TV and run with with what they heard. It's puffy marshmallow reporting interlaced with endless Ads for as much revenue as they can milk.
IMO, it's pretty clear they have their directives from far above. And media today is the US, just about all of it, is controlled by 4 maybe 5 vertically integrated channels/corridors to the top. Often, I think they operate in cahoots on some information disseminated to the general public. Sometimes it hard to tell what their agenda is. More and more media reporting in the US is getting like Joseph Goebbels, Germany, WWII, Hitler, IMO.
yardwork
(64,968 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)"Comey Is Baiting
The Trump campaign to praise him, so when he drops the hammer on them for working with the Russians to influence the Election they will be on the record."
Farmgirl1961
(1,643 posts)trea·son
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the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
"they were convicted of treason"
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the action of betraying someone or something.
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)Fahrenthold451
(436 posts)yardwork
(64,968 posts)New Orleans Strong
(212 posts)It made me hate Angela Lansberry, but lordy! This is creepy...
napkinz
(17,199 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,842 posts)that there are no direct ties between Trump and the Russian Government.
(Of course, there could be direct ties between Trump staffers like Manafort... or direct ties to the Russian bank in the Ukraine.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0