2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumwe lost just because of one message that other side had... jobs jobs jobs jobs
1. He blamed jobs loss to NAFTA and TPP which resonated to voters, heck he got many Obama voters. That is why many trump voters approved Obama according to exit polls.
2. Just think of yourself, how many have felt the grunt of layoffs and jobs being outsourced to cheaper destinations like India, Mexico and other parts of world. Did you not want sometime that someone can stop this movement? Yes I know when I analyze the movement, I come to conclusion that we need to develop new jobs in clean energy and biotech but see all these need educated workforce. There were well paying blue collar jobs that moved and unless we can retrain them, they will not be employed in these areas. If someone promises them that he going to factory jobs back to USA, that will resonate, this is a populist message. Truth is that jobs will not come back, but its too late, we lost most critical election in 21 century, SCOTUS could have reshaped our future.
3. His lies about Ford etc hurt HRC in MI, even though Ford released statement, the message was out, it resonated.
4. He further blamed Obamacare on job loss by saying this hurt business, so people did not worry about loss of healthcare, they though first about themselves which is dependent on JOB.
5. We almost gutted our call centers and they were all located in low cost cities in USA, where do these people and go and work, there is nothing for them. I can see how they are hurt and they are looking to blame someone. These fellow citizens of ours are suffering. One thing democrats missed is that we ignored these voters, President Obama should have worked on something that directly targeted this electorate, they are rural but were blue collar, working class. We should have launched major initiative to create new jobs with help of special federal incentives to move jobs in these areas, this is where we screwed... its too late and I doubt Don has will to do this.
7. I goto India for business very often and I can see the vibrant economy that is flourishing and I pause everytime to think that most of these young indian workforce took a job of someone back home. Whatever happened, I know as well that there was probably no way we could have stopped this but truth is bitter.
I can go on and on...
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Tried to make the same point prior to the election and was branded a "concern troll"
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)and take deep breath and understand why this happened... whatever happened did inadvertently move the country back 10's of years. All our progress was decimated.
meow2u3
(24,759 posts)just to get your vote. It's a bait and switch the electorate falls for time and time again. The only jobs repukes deliver are snow jobs, hit jobs, and con jobs. Democrats need to scream at the top of their lungs that the repuke clamor for jobs, jobs, jobs is nothing but empty promises they have no intention of keeping.
Once they're elected, they operate the same way as usual: shrinking the government to the size that can fit inside a woman's Fallopian tubes; big tax cuts for the big bosses and bigger pay cuts for the workers; yanking health care from your grandma, starving her in the process while calling it Christian charity; etc.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)to take any kind of risks, even that means deploying Don the Con.
LeftInTX
(25,139 posts)Although Trump mentioned low taxes he primarily ran on:
Tariffs
Infrastructure
Immigration
The tariffs and infrastructure stuff are more democratic type ideas.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)I am certainly positive he will not do anything for anyone other than his "clan", he has no interest in making anyones life better...
He had a populist message like that got Hitler in power...
mcar
(42,278 posts)Perhaps you didn't see any of her rallies or visit her website. She always talked about jobs, training, education, and many other things.
The difference is that she didn't lie, the media didn't cover her every word, the media perpetuated lies about her. Oh, and a good number of Trump voters are misogynists.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)of workforce... the current skillset of this electorate does not match the requirements and retraining is not easy, not many of people are willing to go back to school in middle age.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)And steel probably isn't either. So, you are saying she should have been untruthful. That's really swift reasoning.
How about vetching about Trump for a change? I guess you liked his (false, ugly) message more.
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)and that will never materialize... and we could have done nothing to retain these jobs other than retraining the workforce, we as a country did not do a good job this... and finally we democrats suffered.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)You think the average voter in Rust Belt is going to seek out the stuff you mention?
Most ads I saw centered on how bad Trump is.
A few were feel-good ads with Clinton's voice.
Not one focused on jobs.
Not one mentioned or alluded to Obama's attempt to get job bills passed.
Not one mentioned or alluded to Republican obstruction.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Growing JOBS every single quarter under a DEMOCRATIC president.
He brought us JOBS. This is how the Dems are rewarded?
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)But still this electorate is of the kind who got employed in lesser pay or no pay hike at all for all these years.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The first to suggest Hillary blow smoke up
People's asses. But we really think people would let her get away with that?
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)late 40's or early 50's... they blame the system for this, they donot want to retrain. HRC had very valid message about jobs but she spoke truth but this set of people want the same jobs back which we know will not happen. But the orange man made false promised and sold them snake oil.
And they were are already earning more than minimum wages.
onecaliberal
(32,780 posts)MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)My god ... I hate him to my core ...
I am still trying to decipher what happened and my post summerized what I can see from my vantage point... I can see even people in CA/OR/WA suffering, and I spoke to few, all of them voted for orange man... for the reason I told in the post.
onecaliberal
(32,780 posts)IMO it's a clear demonstration of the breathtaking stupidity in this country, aided by the corporate owned serial lying stenographers.
womanofthehills
(8,661 posts)Admitting there is little market for coal. It's hard to compete with a pathological liar. Now Trump is talking roads and infrastructure when congress blocked Obama on this big time. We are dealing with evil pathology and we are too f**king nice.
bigtree
(85,977 posts)...if you exclude race from the equation.
Worrying Over Economic Winners
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512611990
MyNameIsKhan
(2,205 posts)of where jobs are being outsourced (we call it transitioning) to low cost countries. I see these incredibly competent folks left with severance package, some find jobs (even better) but the ones those are in 50's, they really find hard... Our private sector always want to hire younger worker... we can run away but this is quite true in many situations. Why does Med Insurance company ask a company, average age and other details (male vs female) before giving a group insurance quote?
Jobs issue is systemic and unless we all ready to sit together and take a holistic view, its not going to move... HRC was the best to solve this but we lost, now the electorate against her have drained their future down the drain... they also took me and you with them.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Aggregate numbers mean little with an electoral college.
She didn't win those votes where she needed to and in great enough numbers to overcome voter suppression.
andym
(5,443 posts)That did not require significant retraining. Unfortunately, not sure how to achieve that. Massive taxes on outsourcing perhaps.