Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:38 PM

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Breaking News - Sanders now willing to work with TRUMP to raise the min. wage to 10.00 dollars

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Breaking News - Sanders now willing to work with TRUMP to raise the min. wage to 10.00 dollars (Original post)	otohara	Nov 2016	OP
This is the kind of decision we will have to make.	HassleCat	Nov 2016	#1
We don't work with them period.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#66
It's just as wrong for Dems to refuse to work with Pubs as it was for them to refuse	napi21	Nov 2016	#76
And the establishment of stupid political capital line too?	lonestarnot	Nov 2016	#83
We have a system now where only GOP types are allowed to govern.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#102
I don't care about congressional ratings.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#136
There's NO reason to make the gov't appear to be functional under GOP control. This...	NurseJackie	Nov 2016	#165
I uunderdstand that but I don't want another 4 years of doing absolutelyj NOTHING either.	napi21	Nov 2016	#180
It's all about optics. If min wage is raised under a Repub president, that's how people will see it.	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2016	#302
Wrong. No point screwing min wage workers over principle	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#201
And that's how they win. Why give them the advantage? Why be lap dogs?	NurseJackie	Nov 2016	#206
Who are the "you guys" you keep referring to?	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#207
So, sometimes it's okay to stand on principle, and sometimes it's not.	NurseJackie	Nov 2016	#210
Well, you guys have it all wrong	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#211
But apparently you DO believe in giving the GOP a present of being FULLY in charge...	NurseJackie	Nov 2016	#212
I wish you would stop attacking me and listen to what I am saying	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#215
Tnhose who didn't vote for Clinton did that.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#289
There is no "you guys". We're all on the same side here.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#316
It is very strange to me...they refused to	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#260
They're not thinking clearly. They're blindly following Bernie's lead. They are guilty of ...	NurseJackie	Nov 2016	#273
Bernie has a fan club for whatever he proposes no mater what.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#290
Sounds like you agree that the only way government will be allowed to work is if the GOP is in	TeamPooka	Nov 2016	#244
So we should obstruct, even at the expense of the American people?	Glassunion	Nov 2016	#301
Thanks to Obama, we can hold out another 2 or 4 years. But we MUST take a stand now	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2016	#303
So we should obstruct regardless of those it helps or hurts?	Glassunion	Nov 2016	#304
Yes. This is an unusual presumptive PEOTUS, therefore nothing should be business as usual.	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2016	#314
Disagree. Lesson of GOP obstruction and lies is that it works. They get what they want.	bench scientist	Nov 2016	#205
Not any more. Now it's a long game. n/t	LisaM	Nov 2016	#230
The GOP has proven to the American people that political obstruction based on principle is a noble	TeamPooka	Nov 2016	#243
The corporate wing of the party goes bipartisan--just on all the wrong issues	yurbud	Nov 2016	#130
It was exactly wrong. our job is to stop the GOP from	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#133
"...you legitimize Trump by working with him..."	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#144
While I do not agree with that, I would be impressed to see the Democrats do it.	yurbud	Nov 2016	#159
Thank you. A voice of reason among those driven insane by losing to the orange one.	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#204
it looks like they are taking steps in that direction--the question is whether symbolism will be	yurbud	Nov 2016	#312
Do not work with them...no surrender...no no and more no.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#229
consider the odds of Trump & GOP making ANY	yurbud	Nov 2016	#237
Did you know that Bush threatened to declare martial law if the Dems did not pass Tarp?	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#291
Do you have a link for that? Also, how did that prevent Obama from prosecuting Wall St?	yurbud	Nov 2016	#311
100%!!!!	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#139
Exactly...only we succeed in making Trump a one term president...and	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#228
There is a correct answer.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#101
Bingo!	TeamPooka	Nov 2016	#245
We only give them cover.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#250
and then Trump comes out and says "I told you I was the only one who could fix this!" Fuck that shit	TeamPooka	Nov 2016	#251
this is ridiculous. Don't work with republicans if you have to give them more than you get.	JCanete	Nov 2016	#319
Bernie is putting out the challenge. Trump will deny he ever said anything about this.	Buzz Clik	Nov 2016	#2
It's good politics to push positive solutions for the people, failed politics to call him a traitor.	TheBlackAdder	Nov 2016	#175
No we have to play by their rules or we will never win.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#252
So, we devolve just like the Repugs--tit for tat, like an elementary school fight as people suffer.	TheBlackAdder	Nov 2016	#274
Trump will most likely try to do away w/ min wage completely.	True_Blue	Nov 2016	#307
But he couldn't give work with Hillary for 12 it had to be 15 or she was a	boston bean	Nov 2016	#3
It's stunning to see, isn't it? I know it's just a gambit for Bernie, but yeah...	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#6
You think we should admire this?	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#104
Nope, I meant stunning in the worst way. Strange times.	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#108
I agree with that completely.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#141
She wasn't president at the time	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#9
And the goal posts start moving	mcar	Nov 2016	#25
Yup.	LisaM	Nov 2016	#30
Yup!	sheshe2	Nov 2016	#52
What goal post?	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#55
No he is not. He is capitulating, period. They all will.	leftofcool	Nov 2016	#67
and how do you know this?	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#70
There are none so blind as those	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#184
You could be referring to me, the others in this thread, or everyone...	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#189
So you're for the 10 minimum wage?	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#191
Nope	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#192
Yes, you are correct. This election	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#199
I can't relate to it but I can respect your point of view	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#208
WhiteTara, this is an absolutely first rate post.	LisaM	Nov 2016	#234
I am going.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#261
I want to go. I found a hostel for	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#275
What State are you in Tara?	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#292
I'm in Arkansas	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#298
Ohio	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#310
What a wonderful post.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#263
I must disagree with you on one point here	Bodhi BloodWave	Nov 2016	#323
I see your point but you have to understand	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#325
i'll be honest	Bodhi BloodWave	Nov 2016	#330
If McCain or Romney had won, I would agree with you.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#332
No it doesn't. It means we lose.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#253
Same to you - how do you know he's just exposing Trump's lies?	Lil Missy	Nov 2016	#285
Because I have met the man	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#300
Yep, it is capitulation. I would not have expected Bernie to be first in line	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#111
Me either	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#178
Where is the liberal...fighter?	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#217
Well the cynic in me says the 15 dollars an hour	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#221
You are probably right. It makes me sad for all those kids who had such faith	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#254
Is he talking about how corrupt the appointees are? The pay for play and bizarre	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#278
Bernie is willing to work with Trump.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#105
Bernie is a political genius... showing his true progressive leadership skills.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Nov 2016	#69
Really?	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#103
Schumer should kick Bernie out of committees?! Really? Dems would be wise to put Bernie in a leadership position.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Nov 2016	#106
He is in leadership.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#112
While I couldn't disagree with you more, I see where your coming from and respect your right to be wrong...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Nov 2016	#127
I hope Bernie fights Trump and stands with Democrats	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#140
Thanks for your kind words. No doubt we ALL have to unite in fighting that shit stain on our democracy tRump, the second coming of Hitler who threatens our very existence.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Nov 2016	#167
I completely agree.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#219
Why So He Can Call Dems Liberal Elites	otohara	Nov 2016	#231
Is he really...kick him out...honestly he will only cause more damage.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#255
The only thing that will lead to a 48 state loss	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#203
Working with Trump is the moderate path.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#216
There are places to fight him tooth and nail	hueymahl	Nov 2016	#227
No Republican will ever advance the progressive agenda when they have	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#256
Nope	otohara	Nov 2016	#12
And he got it from her as well...	sfwriter	Nov 2016	#14
He is so principled and can negotiate for something better. But hillary	boston bean	Nov 2016	#16
Isn't it amazing how 13 an hour was "selling out"....	ehrnst	Nov 2016	#213
Some Revolution	otohara	Nov 2016	#18
Yep. (nt)	ehrnst	Nov 2016	#214
Not gonna work though IMHO.	LenaBaby61	Nov 2016	#32
STOP IT! Seriously FFS already.	onecaliberal	Nov 2016	#29
THIS	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2016	#33
He was trying to win the nomination...	TrekLuver	Nov 2016	#35
Trump is about to appoint Jeff Sessions	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#110
What you are seeing here is how people overlook the racism...	boston bean	Nov 2016	#147
Thank you...they may not be racist but they cast a racist vote...anyone who voted for Trump.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#225
Oh I know it's shaping up to be a Rogues Gallery...I'm not surprised...this is	TrekLuver	Nov 2016	#149
We shouldn't help them.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#224
YES!!!!!!!	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#146
Ye gods, that's what jumped out at me. 10 fu&cking dollars!	Fla Dem	Nov 2016	#150
wtf is this nonsense. Please tell me you didn't think this through.	JCanete	Nov 2016	#320
Trump called for eliminating the federal minimum wage. He also called for it to be raised.	NCTraveler	Nov 2016	#4
Of course, Hillary was excoriated for suggesting	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#5
Ripped Her Apart -	otohara	Nov 2016	#8
Corporate wall street sellout whore was	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#155
Well, white men are back in charge and	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#182
"Well, white men are back in charge and...."	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#183
except for that scream so	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#185
Yeah..self portrait since Amerika voted Trump Fuhrer	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#186
That's what I look like on	WhiteTara	Nov 2016	#188
Schwarzenegger was the Gropenfuhrer	jmowreader	Nov 2016	#336
Trump is going to abolish the minimum wage not raise it.	leftofcool	Nov 2016	#7
Hillary couldn't wait to "work with Republicans", and I well remember	BlueProgressive	Nov 2016	#11
Welcome to DU.	guillaumeb	Nov 2016	#27
Obama was faulted on this board	mcar	Nov 2016	#56
Different situations?	guillaumeb	Nov 2016	#177
Sorry, no cigar.	leftofcool	Nov 2016	#84
Well, you all should know.	BlueProgressive	Nov 2016	#93
Yes it is. It is working with the devil. Working with Trump gives him legitimacy	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#114
Wrong wrong and wrong	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#107
Trump isn't really a Republican. He uses their name, but he isa different monster altogether.	AgadorSparticus	Nov 2016	#179
Wasn't this the same guy who decried Hillary for considering an increase to 12?	hrmjustin	Nov 2016	#10
Nor me	phallon	Nov 2016	#13
Why?	sfwriter	Nov 2016	#15
That is a convenient excuse.	hrmjustin	Nov 2016	#17
This Must Be Part Of The Revolution	otohara	Nov 2016	#23
But it PE Clinton reached out to Rs	mcar	Nov 2016	#26
Word like "traitor", "sellout", "POSUCs" and "Republican"...	greatauntoftriplets	Nov 2016	#43
Oh yeah	mcar	Nov 2016	#47
Never.	greatauntoftriplets	Nov 2016	#59
"Corporatist!!11"	mcar	Nov 2016	#62
As much as I try to forget.	greatauntoftriplets	Nov 2016	#75
It is a traitors move in my opinion. He should not do it.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#115
and of course when she does that she is called a manipulative liar	dsc	Nov 2016	#187
Yes, one in the same.	grossproffit	Nov 2016	#20
Bernie is practical......this isn't a discussion between liberals	virtualobserver	Nov 2016	#31
That doesn't fly with me.	hrmjustin	Nov 2016	#37
He isn't abandoning those people currently working for 7	virtualobserver	Nov 2016	#38
Gee, that was our argument for Hillary in the primary and we got called third way stooges.	hrmjustin	Nov 2016	#39
Look where it got her....small ideas create small enthusiasm	virtualobserver	Nov 2016	#45
Or is Sanders settling just for 10?	hrmjustin	Nov 2016	#74
He is boxing Trump in...Trump said that he would support a 10 minimum wage	virtualobserver	Nov 2016	#88
This is a win win for DPutin... he says yes, he wins .. he says no... he wins and no one cares	uponit7771	Nov 2016	#294
Who was Hillary being "practical" against?	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2016	#64
Her point was that not every area could afford a 15 minimum wage. I am not saying I agreed or...	hrmjustin	Nov 2016	#73
He should aim higher after Trump pulled his Ford stunt.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2016	#85
There was consensus among a group of Dem senators from different states that 12 was doable	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#109
Always aim high in your negotiations....	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2016	#197
Always lie to the public? I've seen a few pundits reccomend that too. Lie to coal workers, to	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#200
Where did you get that from what I posted?	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2016	#202
He is abandoning as he gives Trump legitimacy.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#119
You can't abandon the country for four years	virtualobserver	Nov 2016	#151
Yes you can, and you must	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#223
LOL, there is nothing about Bernie's platform that could ever be described as "pratical."	MadBadger	Nov 2016	#79
Really...well I am sure Trump who will be so accomodating.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#116
You want to win the midterms? Let Bernie do his work.	virtualobserver	Nov 2016	#153
Bullshit...Bernie will either be blamed and Democrats who he is associated with if	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#222
me either	DemonGoddess	Nov 2016	#89
Not here either.	we can do it	Nov 2016	#305
Within a week he's read to work w/ Trump, yet he couldn't afford Hillary the same courtesy.	grossproffit	Nov 2016	#19
What are you talking about?	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#58
Perhaps you don't remember him saying	athena	Nov 2016	#68
Holding someone accountable is not the same as fighting with them.	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#71
No he did not campaign for her vigorously.	LisaM	Nov 2016	#131
Thank you! If I never saw him again it would be too soon.	grossproffit	Nov 2016	#269
Yes that is it. It shows how indepenents are way more willing to work	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#117
But Trump says American workers are paid too much and that's why we can't compete	Vinca	Nov 2016	#21
No thanks Bernie, states are taking up the matter and going for the original 15!!!	Pisces	Nov 2016	#22
But Hillary saying 12 was a deal breaker?	mcar	Nov 2016	#24
I'm sick of Bernie	theglammistress	Nov 2016	#28
I'm sick of losing election cycle after election cycle.	Cobalt Violet	Nov 2016	#97
So he works with Triimp? Sorry, I think it is a terrible thing to do.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#120
Ditto. What are Democrats going to do to win back 64 Rust Belt electoral votes?	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#240
I live in Ohio	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#118
I hope it's not against the rules to say that I don't trust either of them. n/t	Tarheel_Dem	Nov 2016	#34
You're Not Alone	otohara	Nov 2016	#41
Keep laughing...	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#60
Plan On It - Ha, Ha, Ha	otohara	Nov 2016	#72
I voted for Hillary	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#142
Wrong and more wrong. He is doing no good and should fight	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#121
Truthfully I'm pushing my opinion on his intent.	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#143
There is no point...we will be screwed over and made to look bad or weak or both.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#226
Why shouldn't he work with this Trashpot to try to improve the lives of Americans?	TrekLuver	Nov 2016	#36
That's not our point	Erin_Petrovna	Nov 2016	#42
Yes and I addressed that by saying he was trying to win the nomination...that's why.	TrekLuver	Nov 2016	#44
I don't care if he was trying to be named Homecoming King	Erin_Petrovna	Nov 2016	#50
I'm a realist....get a grip this is politics !!!!!	TrekLuver	Nov 2016	#51
Plus 1!	dae	Nov 2016	#96
He shouldn't work with Trump because it legitmizes true evil.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#122
Right and if we do this, we legitimize his presidency...as we just elected Hitler II	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#233
K&R	otohara	Nov 2016	#40
K&R, I agree but not for the same reason. You blame Bernie	dae	Nov 2016	#99
I do blame Bernie	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#124
Sorry but we have elections here, not coronations.	dae	Nov 2016	#181
Well Trump is now the president...so pardon me if I don't shed a few tears	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#218
Believe what you will but just because you and others say	dae	Nov 2016	#318
Just because you say Bernie didn't cost Hillary the election doesn't make it true.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#326
Ego.	fleabiscuit	Nov 2016	#329
You are correct, it was Her turn. It doesn't matter how high	dae	Nov 2016	#335
Called it. The Bernie-bashing is going to hit primary levels again.	VulgarPoet	Nov 2016	#331
12 wasn't enough though right?	rbrnmw	Nov 2016	#46
12 wasn't enough	mcar	Nov 2016	#48
Not from a Democrat.	sfwriter	Nov 2016	#63
Exactly (n/t)	Amaril	Nov 2016	#172
Yup	phallon	Nov 2016	#276
Bernie will now work for Trump... OK...	MyNameIsKhan	Nov 2016	#49
That is what is happening, and he should not be allowed to do it from a Democratic	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#125
Do you want struggling Americans to have a higher minimum wage, or not? (n/t)	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#242
No, I don't want shit the Gop is oferring...you can bet it will come with strings...and sneaky shit.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#293
I'd be more afraid that the GOP would try to end the minimum wage altogether. NT	andym	Nov 2016	#53
No way this doesn't Bern the Bro's.	NCTraveler	Nov 2016	#54
this	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#126
Wow	Bobbie Jo	Nov 2016	#57
The GOP wants the minimum wage to be 3.50 an hour.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2016	#61
Yep. And they control all three branches of government.	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#82
Kicking	otohara	Nov 2016	#65
Say it ain't so	ucrdem	Nov 2016	#77
Everyone, please read the posts ...	Sunny05	Nov 2016	#78
What do you expect a United States Senator to do?	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#81
Weird how pragmatic, baby steps, practical progressivism is now bad.	GreenPartyVoter	Nov 2016	#95
LOL! No, practical baby step progressivism was bad when Hillary proposed anything realistic.	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#132
Its very obvious now right?	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#157
It is totally obvious, but sadly actually expected. To think we spent	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#160
And where are all the "feel the bern" people now	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#163
10 is a small piece of this puzzle	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#193
And yet Hillary was called a Third way/wall street bankster whore	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#194
Well those are your words, not mine	ThirdEye	Nov 2016	#198
LOL, no kidding.	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#241
Anything that give legitmacy to the orange fascist is bad.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#288
I expect a US senator to fight for what is right.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#128
2020, eh? How are Dems going to win back the 64 electoral votes lost...	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#239
Trump is a liar.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#249
Dems didn't go after the Bush Admin or Wall Street criminals.	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#266
Trump doing the right thing?	leftofcool	Nov 2016	#262
Wonderful!	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#80
Damn. I thought it would be safe to come back here, with the election over.	mac56	Nov 2016	#86
.	dae	Nov 2016	#100
Thank you Bernie for bringing the action.	aikoaiko	Nov 2016	#87
I am not. It makes us look weak and divided.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#129
Should'nt we be starting the bid a little bit higher	FrenchieCat	Nov 2016	#90
Exactly.	Bobbie Jo	Nov 2016	#113
This is pure gold. Bookmarking. nt	stevenleser	Nov 2016	#91
Actually, here's Sanders' exact quote, not a CNN reporter's spin.	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#92
Stop! Interjecting facts are not allowed in certain circles	dae	Nov 2016	#94
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Thank you. /nt	think	Nov 2016	#123
I wonder if he'll apologize to Hillary for excoriating her realistic 12/hr.	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#134
As long as you ignore Bernie's actual statement posted right above your outrage makes sense....	think	Nov 2016	#135
Uh, yeah. I saw it. He wanted higher. No kidding! Who doesn't.	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#138
He's holding Trump to his words. He says he wants more but he nor Clinton aren't president are they?	think	Nov 2016	#152
Yep and had Bernie not run Clinton would be president elect.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#154
If it makes you feel better keep telling yourself that. Why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz resign?	think	Nov 2016	#156
We lost by less than 300,000 votes in three key states	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#220
I will agree that we are facing some very bad times. I wish you well. Take care....	think	Nov 2016	#232
Thanks... you too. This is not really about Bernie...the damage is done	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#248
Bernie's not doing anything like that. Shame on you for suggesting such a thing. Bernie fights hard	think	Nov 2016	#257
By working with Trump and ignoring...the appointment of Sessions and wanting judges who will jail	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#283
And the damage done. Did you forget why DWS resigned? Wow....	think	Nov 2016	#271
She won her election and was a convenient scapegoat.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#282
LOL, that's hilarious. The hypocrisy is astounding. He maligned Hillary for 12/hr,	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#158
"He talked about raising the minimum wage to 10, Sanders said. Thats not high enough for me,"	think	Nov 2016	#161
Yes, reality only matters now that Sanders has to deal with it.	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#168
Bernie wanted to raise the minimum wage to 15 by 2020. That is unrealistic?	think	Nov 2016	#169
Oh, ffs. He said he was against incremental change, but that's because it was	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#171
"Heres a partial transcript from a speech Sanders delivered on Wednesday "	think	Nov 2016	#173
Quit spamming. It's obvious you are making excuses for Bernie backtracking on	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#174
"I wonder if he'll apologize to Hillary for excoriating her realistic 12/hr"	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#170
10? WTF happened to 15?	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#137
Great point about the Repubs taking credit for it! You are on to	R B Garr	Nov 2016	#145
Sure they obstruct and fight President Obama for 8 years straight	workinclasszero	Nov 2016	#148
Why is this breaking news?	wisteria	Nov 2016	#162
Blame game...	LP2K12	Nov 2016	#164
Breaking News	Uponthegears	Nov 2016	#166
Good! We need to raise the minimum wage	book_worm	Nov 2016	#176
I guess 10 and hour is no longer selling out. It's "pragmatism."	ehrnst	Nov 2016	#190
FUCK!!!!!!! n/t	cynatnite	Nov 2016	#195
More BREAKING NEWS	otohara	Nov 2016	#196
Bernie HAD worked with Hillary. There's no betrayal or double standard here.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#209
Really Ken	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#235
OK. I thought it was a "Bernie is more willing to work with Trump than with HRC" argument.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#238
As a woman ken I am used to their being a double standard for women	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#246
He was JUST as willing to work with Hillary.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#247
Hillary is not Trump. Working with Hillary who is on your team good	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#258
Fine.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#259
I hope so...after this election; I take nothing at face value.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#284
He campaigned hard to elect Hillary.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#297
Berne fought hard against Hillary in the primary.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#309
It goes without saying that he fights the right.	Ken Burch	Nov 2016	#315
When? He has already offered to make nice with Trump.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#317
What the fuck ever Bernie.	Maven	Nov 2016	#236
Should we work to get minimum wages increased?	think	Nov 2016	#264
We shouldn't work to give Trump credibility.	Maven	Nov 2016	#265
Improved wages and (possible) jobs from...	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#268
You're a fool if you think repukes in congress will pass those things	Maven	Nov 2016	#272
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Please read today's TPM about how Trump's infrastructure bill	Maven	Nov 2016	#286
That doesn't answer my question about what the Democratic Party...	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#287
The one with full employement and a rising LFPR ?! REALLY?! We're swing RWTP's now?!?!	uponit7771	Nov 2016	#296
Privatized roads and utilities would be very harmful to the working class.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#308
Yes. And for a massive infrastructure bill. (n/t)	SMC22307	Nov 2016	#267
... to build toll roads and privatized utilities.	ucrdem	Nov 2016	#270
For privatized roads - NOPE. Fuck that.	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#277
no we should not work with the evil scum that is Trump...and privatization is not the liberal way.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#279
Bernie knows he's proposing privatizing the commons and says nothing?	bettyellen	Nov 2016	#306
NO. It won't happen and business as usual create a normalcy around Trump that must not happen.	Demsrule86	Nov 2016	#281
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SANDERS SAID TEN IS NOT ENOUGH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	uponit7771	Nov 2016	#295
Who's all for incrementalism now... GRRRRRRRRR	JCMach1	Nov 2016	#299
We could have gotten more, if say, Bernie had won the nomination.	JCanete	Nov 2016	#321
what happened to 15/hr?	wordpix	Nov 2016	#313
BREAKING: Sanders Still Trying to Raise Minimum Wage	Orsino	Nov 2016	#322
Meh...Bernie is Mr. Irrelevant, especially now. nt	LexVegas	Nov 2016	#324
Having failed people of ALL races, genders, orientations, religions and races	Uponthegears	Nov 2016	#327
does this right before the nationwide Fight of 15 initiative this weekend?	lunasun	Nov 2016	#328
Great! Let's legitimize a hostile takeover by white nationalists!	ecstatic	Nov 2016	#333
"15 or nothing!" "How about 12?" "No!" "How about 10?" "Okay."	tandem5	Nov 2016	#334
Let me get this straight	jmowreader	Nov 2016	#337

Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:40 PM

HassleCat (6,409 posts)

1. This is the kind of decision we will have to make.

Do we strive to get a few little crumbs, since the crumbs would feed a few people? Or do we forget about the crumbs and focus elsewhere? There is no correct answer, by the way.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:13 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

66. We don't work with them period.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:13 PM

napi21 (45,374 posts)

76. It's just as wrong for Dems to refuse to work with Pubs as it was for them to refuse

to work with us. THAT's the main reason congress has such a low rating. We have all wanting an raise in the m minimum wage but the Pubs refused to even consider it. I hate the idea that we are going to have a President Con, but I'm siding with Chuck Schumer on this. If there are things we can agree on, we're going to work with the Pubs to get things done. If they try to pass things we believer would hurt the American people, we'll fight them all the way. To maintain the do nothing attitude of the Pubs for the last 8 years, it's the American people.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #76)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:53 PM

lonestarnot (77,097 posts)

... will just reinforce the myth that ONLY the GOP can make Washington work.

NO! Block them at every turn. Give them NOTHING!

The suffering that's to come is already going to happen. Why make it last LONGER?

Let the GOP squeal like stuck pigs when the Dems block everything.

Fuck them!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #165)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:45 AM

napi21 (45,374 posts)

Isn't fighting them at every turn and opposing their every move the same type of take-a-stand philosophy as the "Never Hillary" people had? You know, the one that was so admired and defended around here?

Why is it okay to write-in Bernie or to be "Never Hillary" and have it defended as being a "voter with principles" ... yet when this philosophy ends up putting the GOOP in power, why now is standing firm against giving the GOP any thing to claim as their own is suddenly considered to be "unprogressive" and something to be frowned upon or scolded.

Why is one okay, but the other not? Especially odd when you consider that when 'one' CREATED the 'other' in the first place.

You guys are hard to figure out sometime. Black is white and up is down. Good is bad and strong is weak.

Make up your minds already.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #206)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 03:56 PM

hueymahl (1,889 posts)

207. Who are the "you guys" you keep referring to?

I voted for, campaigned for and donated to HRC. I entered the election night with both a feeling of hope and a hidden feeling of dread. She would have made a fantastic, incredible president.

But she was CRAP as a candidate.

So, quit trying to lump me in with some nefarious group that somehow caused her to lose.

We need progressive policies passed. If Trump will pass a progressive policy, we should support that. Just as we should fight against every possible non-progressive policy we can. Otherwise, we are harming real people in an attempt at "justice" or "payback" or some other self-centered bull shit.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #207)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:16 PM

NurseJackie (37,603 posts)

210. So, sometimes it's okay to stand on principle, and sometimes it's not.

She was a wonderful candidate. She was brilliant and inspiring. You guys need to stop trying to rewrite history.

Who are the "you guys" you keep referring to?

I think you're smart enough to know the answer to that. And I'm smart enough to know that I don't need to spell it out and spoon-feed it to you.

We need to give Trump and his cronies NO VICTORIES, of ANY KIND. Nothing they can point to as any sort of "accomplishment" ... nothing they can use as leverage in getting something passed that causes exponentially more HARM than the little good that may come about from a "progressive policy".

FREEZE THEM IN THEIR TRACKS! They get NOTHING! Any success will be used in future elections. They'll gleefully declare "see? we Republicans can get things done!" as justification for electing MORE Republicans and KEEPING them in power.

But what it really means is that a spineless and compliant House and Senate just sat on their thumbs... you want the Democrats to become "Rick Grimes" to Trump's "Negan".

No, this isn't "self-centered" bull shit. This is long-term thinking.

You guys should know that, right? Y'all know what that's all about.. I mean you should. And if you really don't, I'll be surprised beyond belief.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #210)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:27 PM

hueymahl (1,889 posts)

211. Well, you guys have it all wrong

I believe in not condemning millions of low wage families to four years of suffering. I believe in showing how progressive policies make us better. I believe in a thousand incremental improvements are better than standing on principal and failing, again and again and again.

You guys apparently believe in vengeance over compassion, principle over progression, power over people.

We could not hold more different views and still both be liberals.

Very interesting. Us vs. them. Even when we are on the same side.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #211)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:37 PM

NurseJackie (37,603 posts)

212. But apparently you DO believe in giving the GOP a present of being FULLY in charge...

... for the next 8-12 years.

Why have a party at all if we're just going to let them walk all over us?

You guys apparently believe in vengeance over compassion, principle over progression, power over people.

I believe that short term gains at the expense of long term losses and setbacks is a difficult decision to make. Some people make the easy choices because they "seem" logical and they get the "feel good tingle" right away. Others are more pragmatic.

You can be a timid, broken, frightened and kowtowing Rick Grimes if you want. I'm gonna be Carol or Michonne and encourage everyone I know to be the same. We're screwed either way.

We could not hold more different views and still both be liberals.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #201)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:03 PM

TeamPooka (18,867 posts)

244. Sounds like you agree that the only way government will be allowed to work is if the GOP is in

control

This is the DU member formerly known as TeamPooka.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #165)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 02:23 PM

Glassunion (10,201 posts)

301. So we should obstruct, even at the expense of the American people?

I thought that's what Republicans did.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #301)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 02:41 PM

BlueCaliDem (15,433 posts)

303. Thanks to Obama, we can hold out another 2 or 4 years. But we MUST take a stand now

and the last thing we need to do is give the appearance that shit gets done under a Repub Pres and Repub-controlled Congress.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #303)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 03:20 PM

Glassunion (10,201 posts)

304. So we should obstruct regardless of those it helps or hurts?

No... the Republicans would bite their own nose to spite their face.

If there is a bill up, and it does good for America, I expect my Rep to vote for it. If it does harm, they should fight tooth and nail.

Obstructing for the sake of obstruction is bullshit IMO. If there is a bill to bring up the minimum wage, I expect my Rep to vote for it. Otherwise you may as well find a hard working family, who are below the poverty line in spite of working full time, knock on their door and yell "Fuck you for the next four years, we'll be back when election outcomes may work in your favor."

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #304)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 10:55 AM

BlueCaliDem (15,433 posts)

314. Yes. This is an unusual presumptive PEOTUS, therefore nothing should be business as usual.

Republicans have NOT paid a price even though their obstructionism hasn't helped a single soul. In fact, they've been rewarded in a year when WE should've gained more seats in the Senate and kept the White House.

This is war. You don't bring a daisy to a gunfight with the credo, "Can't we all just try to get along? Please?"

And it's not obstructing for the sake of obstruction. It's obstructing for the survival of the Democratic Party for 2018. The American people don't reward weak-spined people even when they ultimately benefit from it. This past election made that very clear.

For all the good President Obama has worked so hard for, people (who weren't disenfranchised) cast their vote for a Republican blowhard and the same Republicans they SAID they were tired of. Instead, the blamed President Obama for all the ills that are a direct result of unprecedented Republican obstructionism. NO BLAME went to Republicans. This is how people see our Gov't, as uninformed as they are.

So we return the favor or *Trump will get the credit and that would be a death knell for the Democratic Party in 2018 and 2020.

No more business as usual. Fuck that. And you know what? I also HOPE Lyin'Ryan successfully gets his bills through to privatize Social Security and voucherize Medicare without Dem interference. Elections have consequences and it's high time those idiots who constantly vote against their financial interests are made to understand that.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 03:49 PM

bench scientist (1,107 posts)

205. Disagree. Lesson of GOP obstruction and lies is that it works. They get what they want.

We give them NOTHING. Nothing, and nothing is far far better than anything the GOP will do.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:14 PM

LisaM (26,033 posts)

230. Not any more. Now it's a long game. n/t

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Response to napi21 (Reply #76)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:01 PM

TeamPooka (18,867 posts)

243. The GOP has proven to the American people that political obstruction based on principle is a noble

cause and position to hold.
Democrats need to obstruct everything and explain why as they do it.

This is the DU member formerly known as TeamPooka.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:27 AM

yurbud (39,405 posts)

130. The corporate wing of the party goes bipartisan--just on all the wrong issues

starting wars, trade deals, Wall Street bailouts.

Bernie's statement after the election was exactly right: on issues when you want to pass progressive policy, we will work with you.

On issues where you want to do the opposite, we will fight you.

That should have been the Democratic position for decades.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #130)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:44 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

133. It was exactly wrong. our job is to stop the GOP from

unleashing hell on earth by winning the midterms...you legitimize Trump by working with him...the GOP did nothing to work with Obama...they need to get the same treatment, or we are weak and foolish.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #133)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:56 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

144. "...you legitimize Trump by working with him..."

And the democrats are all lining up to do that very thing already!

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #250)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:25 PM

TeamPooka (18,867 posts)

251. and then Trump comes out and says "I told you I was the only one who could fix this!" Fuck that shit

This is the DU member formerly known as TeamPooka.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #101)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:44 AM

JCanete (5,272 posts)

319. this is ridiculous. Don't work with republicans if you have to give them more than you get.

but without strings attached if a republican wants to do a good thing, let them fucking do it. First of all, how likely do you think it is this will even happen. Second of all, if it does republicans have to suddenly defend this sort of legislation. It becomes part of the republican record, and that is not a bad thing. If they distance themselves from it in the future they have to risk alienating people they courted with it.

It is simply irresponsible to try to block all things. Yes the republicans do it, and the American people suffer from it. Besides, thinking that you can play the same game as Republicans though is fundamentally misunderstanding how our media works. It would be brutal on the Dems in a way it never was on the Pubs.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:41 PM

Buzz Clik (38,437 posts)

2. Bernie is putting out the challenge. Trump will deny he ever said anything about this.

Anyone who put faith in Trump is going to be sorely disappointed.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:11 AM

TheBlackAdder (19,893 posts)

175. It's good politics to push positive solutions for the people, failed politics to call him a traitor.

.

Some people need to realize that this is a four year involvement and, if the net benefit is a positive for Democratic Party values, they should be pursued, regardless of who is president.

Some people need to detach from the election and the rigidness of thought/vindictiveness that permeates Republicans.

We are better than that! Fight on the issues that compromise our values, support things that benefit them.

===

Trump will try to distance himself from many positions, as he is reversing course on so many promises.

His base is too stupid to realize that, even if he is challenged and agrees to past promises.

.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #175)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:28 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

252. No we have to play by their rules or we will never win.

Being better means shit if we never get a chance to govern...and Obama was given no chance. Thus they get the same treatment and maybe next time we are in power they will consider if they want to govern ever ... maybe they should stand down...or not...either way, they don't get to put shitty GOP policy into law and claim it was bipartisan because we fight them...and that would include stripping any Dem who does not fight of any yummy congressional goodies...we play hardball. It is the only chance we have.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #252)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 09:54 AM

TheBlackAdder (19,893 posts)

274. So, we devolve just like the Repugs--tit for tat, like an elementary school fight as people suffer.

.

Even the Republicans allowed certain things to pass. They weren't 100% asshole, but we should be.

So we become them, act like spiteful children just because they did the same thing.

If a law or act is beneficial, that should be immaterial.

.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 20, 2016, 09:14 PM

True_Blue (3,063 posts)

307. Trump will most likely try to do away w/ min wage completely.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:45 PM

boston bean (33,706 posts)

3. But he couldn't give work with Hillary for 12 it had to be 15 or she was a

corrupt, establishment politician working against working class people.

MY GOD!

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:48 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

6. It's stunning to see, isn't it? I know it's just a gambit for Bernie, but yeah...

Hope this puts shit in perspective for everyone.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 07:51 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

104. You think we should admire this?

I don't.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #104)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 08:23 AM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

108. Nope, I meant stunning in the worst way. Strange times.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #108)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:55 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

141. I agree with that completely.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:52 PM

ThirdEye (200 posts)

9. She wasn't president at the time

Give me a break. This is Bernie try to work with Trump after the election. In reality, he's probably trying to simply expose how Trump was full shit.

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Response to ThirdEye (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 05:41 PM

mcar (35,685 posts)

25. And the goal posts start moving

We've had 2 days of non stop criticism of Hillary's campaign but still, whatever Sanders does is pure as the driven snow.

who will not see. It's going to be a long few years.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #184)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 12:53 PM

ThirdEye (200 posts)

189. You could be referring to me, the others in this thread, or everyone...

... and you'd probably be right in all cases.

d'oh!

Actually, that's one reason I'm telling friends in family: don't waste energy engaging with Trump voters, spend that energy engaging with people who didn't vote for Trump or Clinton, especially those who just didn't vote. Trump voters will never change their mind or admit their president is flawed.

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Response to ThirdEye (Reply #189)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 12:59 PM

WhiteTara (27,008 posts)

191. So you're for the 10 minimum wage?

That's what your hero is trying to jam down the throats of those that supported him when he said $15 only and Hillary is a stooge for mentioning that $12 was a passable wage. But instead the bright shining hero of the the alt left has hung us all out to dry as he says he will enthusiastically work with Drumpf. Blind indeed.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #191)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 01:45 PM

ThirdEye (200 posts)

192. Nope

I don't specifically support $10/hr for the minimum wage. I do support $15/hr. More than that, I support tracking the minimum wage with some other indicator so we can pull away form having to debate raising it. Something like GDP or inflation.

Having lived in Vermont for decades, having been represented by Bernie for decades in various capacities, having met him myself, having close friends who are personally close to him, I'm compelled to give him the benefit of the doubt on his approach.

If it ends up being truly as you say, then it's terrible.

Keep in mind, among your strong words is really negative rhetoric that, to me at least, only emphasizes how much the recent loss has hurt you personally. Calling me blind, saying he's enthusiastically working from trump, throwing out the term "alt left" as if that's even well defined. Seems to me you have an opinion about Bernie, you arrived at it a long time ago, and you wish to keep it that way.

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Response to ThirdEye (Reply #192)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 03:09 PM

WhiteTara (27,008 posts)

199. Yes, you are correct. This election

did wound me and although I am working to not be negative; I find it very difficult to let this pass as water over a duck. While Bernie may prove to be a savior of the world, he did say that he would enthusiastically work with Trump for his (Bernie's) goals and in the next breath capitulates on the $15.00 minimum wage...never mind his excoriation of Hillary's $12. proposal.

I have to say that my faith in men has been shattered during this election season. Where is Bernie demanding Trump's tax returns before he takes office...oh, he probably won't as that would bring up HIS refusal to submit his tax returns, right before he bought his 3rd house. Just little things like that make my hair stand on end with the horror of the knowledge that women will, for the foreseeable future once again be relegated to the back seat and the dust bin of history. Hillary was given impossible standards that Bernie is now ignoring for Trump. White men backing white men is what it appears on the surface; but maybe there is 20 dimensional chess going on and Bernie will save us all.

But let's all sing kumbaijah and have a jolly good time watching every advance we (as women and society) have made be reversed. As a white man, your privilege is secure; but I hope you'll join us on the 21st in the march for women in DC.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #199)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:02 PM

ThirdEye (200 posts)

208. I can't relate to it but I can respect your point of view

Because you're right, I am a white male. I also have a well paying job that will not go away due to a Trump presidency. I am, however, married to a someone who isn't an American citizen. So there is some fear, but I will never claim to understand or relate to the plight of those truly affected. Seriously, I was ill for days after the election and then I realized: holy shit, this won't even directly affect me and I'm scared shitless, think of the people this directly affects (a.k.a. almost everyone else). It was a humbling moment.

I can't argue against your point about the tax returns. You're probably right. I would emphasize that Bernie is far from wealthy. True story, he inconvenienced me on a road here in Vermont once by driving super slow in a banged up Saturn, preventing me from turning on to a road. It was a bit of an LOL moment when I passed him a few minutes later and saw it was a US Senator. That was only 3 or 4 years ago.

I agree, there's no kumbaijah. My faith in Americans, specifically white men, was shattered as well. Frankly, I didn't have much faith in them to begin with. Edit: I should say no kumbaijah as in I'd rather us fight back with a hardline against them, I do not like Bernie approach here myself.

I will honestly look into that march you reference. I have friend near DC that I will also talk to.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #199)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:18 PM

LisaM (26,033 posts)

234. WhiteTara, this is an absolutely first rate post.

I could cry. You summed it all up so beautifully.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #199)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:46 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

261. I am going.

Hubs says no...but I am going. He will have to deal with it. (He fears for my safety with a fascist about to inaugurated).

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #261)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 10:52 AM

WhiteTara (27,008 posts)

275. I want to go. I found a hostel for

$80 a night for a 4 share room, but still no transportation. My physical limitation is that I have a damaged spine and can't walk for long periods of time nor stand indefinitely. I could try and find a wheel chair when I get there, but it all sounds so hard and right now I really hurt.

I went to DC so often during the *co 8 years, but time passes and I think I may be too old this time. THis is a torch that must be passed to younger women everywhere.

Thank you for going. Take a step for me!

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #275)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:05 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

292. What State are you in Tara?

I have a wheelchair...my daughter broke both her ankles.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #292)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 07:36 PM

WhiteTara (27,008 posts)

298. I'm in Arkansas

Where are you and the wheelchair? Sorry about your daughter's broken ankles. That must have been terrible.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #298)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 08:47 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

310. Ohio

She has surgery and is walking but I saved the wheelchair because you never know...the lousy hospital sent her home with crutches!! Like to broken ankles and you can use crutches...she was not supposed to put any weight on the ankle.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #199)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:48 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

263. What a wonderful post.

I feel exactly as you do...I really feel betrayed by those men (women too but I have not heard anything about that yet) including Bernie who are willing to work with Trump who is evil and a threat to everything I value.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #263)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:08 AM

Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)

323. I must disagree with you on one point here

If i understand your mindset correctly so far in this thread then you believe that you all(using 'you all' since i am a Norwegian thus can't really say we) should oppose any and all things from trump/the reps since they are pure evil and a threat to what you value.

I just can't agree with that for the simple reason that if you oppose them on an issue that would improve upon one or more of the values you cherish then YOU would be the one thats harming those values(obviously if there are insidius or harmful strings attached to said bill, oppose away since that would be common sense)

As an outsider tho, i simply don't think sinking to the level of the republicans and blindly opposing everything they want to do would be beneficial to the Democratic party.

There is a quote by George Carlin(amongst others) i like that somewhat suits this: Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.( aka Democrats shouldn't try to emulate the idiocy of the republicans as they have much more practice in being idiots )

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #323)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:58 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

325. I see your point but you have to understand

that the Republicans opposed everything Obama wanted to do...everything. They refused to allow us to govern and now don't deserve to be treated with any consideration. Plus, they have no good idea. The fascist right has hijacked the party...and we simply must refuse to give them any normalcy. They want to register Muslims ( among other awful things)..think about that. Personally, when they register Muslims. I too will register...as was done by Denmark during WWII. My daughter who is gay has been threatened at college by Trump supporters who stalked her on the internet. Trump represents a great evil and must be vanquished politically as soon as possible. It can not be business as usual with this man. He is dangerous.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #325)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:23 AM

Bodhi BloodWave (2,346 posts)

330. i'll be honest

I fully expect 99.5% of the things Trump or the republicans propose to be harmful in one way or another which gives valid grounds to oppose it, i'm merely saying that *iF* something is proposed that is beneficial and above board then those 0.5% should not be obstructed just cause of who proposes it.

To use an situation nearing the impossible(and yes, the situation chosen was based on your post since i assume the issue is one close to your heart), if Trump were to advocate a bill with nothing neferious attached to it that would improve the life of gays in the US in different ways then it would in my eyes be wrong both morally and ethically of the democrats to oppose it, admittedly such a bill from Trump would likely have nearly if not all republican politicans oppose it from the get go(thus falling under my near impossible category of ever happening in the first place)

So i think we are more or less in the same camp, i just don't belive in a totally blind obstruction.

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Response to Bodhi BloodWave (Reply #330)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:52 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

332. If McCain or Romney had won, I would agree with you.

Their policies would have been not to my liking but they were not fascists. Trump must be opposed because of who he is...and how he emboldens the KKK and the Nazis. But we mostly agree. And let's face it the GOP will not offer anything that will be any good.

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Response to ThirdEye (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:29 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

But here we are.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #178)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:56 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

217. Where is the liberal...fighter?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #217)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:02 PM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

221. Well the cynic in me says the 15 dollars an hour

figure was BS all along.

Kinda like Il Douche promising to bring back high paying union jobs with bennies to America LOL

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #221)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:30 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

Last edited Sun Nov 20, 2016, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 07:49 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

103. Really?

Well, he is not a Democrat. Schumer should kick him out of his committees. Personally, it makes me dislike Bernie even more...that he is willing to do anything but obstruct. So much for the revolution. This is why Democrats lose. There is no loyalty to each other and fighting back. I forsee a big midterm loss and a 48 state loss in 20 if this continues. Trump is illegitimate and wants to register Muslims. By working with Trump AKA the new Hitler, you 'normalize him and his white supremacist buddies like Bannon.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #103)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 07:57 AM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,141 posts)

106. Schumer should kick Bernie out of committees?! Really? Dems would be wise to put Bernie in a leadership position.

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Fri Nov 18, 2016, 08:52 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

112. He is in leadership.

And by offering to work with Republicans who are now White supremacists, he shows he shouldn't be in such a position. Loyalty matters and if Bernie can't be part of the united front against the fascist Republican party, then he should be removed from leadership. He could caucus with either party as an independent.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #112)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:20 AM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,141 posts)

127. While I couldn't disagree with you more, I see where your coming from and respect your right to be wrong...

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My suggestion? Keep your eye on the ball... opposing Fuhrer Trump for the next four years and defeating that racist, mysogynistic pig in 2020!! Bernie has the leadership skills and, more importantly, the street cred to lead the charge. That's all I'm gonna say.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #127)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:54 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

140. I hope Bernie fights Trump and stands with Democrats

to defeat the monstrous evil that Trump represents...it is not an exaggeration to say our very future as a country depends on stopping Trump. I understand about loyalty to a candidate you believe in so I see where you are coming from. I hope you are right.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #140)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:39 AM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,141 posts)

167. Thanks for your kind words. No doubt we ALL have to unite in fighting that shit stain on our democracy tRump, the second coming of Hitler who threatens our very existence.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #167)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:00 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

219. I completely agree.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:15 PM

otohara (24,135 posts)

231. Why So He Can Call Dems Liberal Elites

in front of cameras over and over?

He's badmouthed Dems for years and is on a tour doing it again.

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Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:31 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 04:18 PM

otohara (24,135 posts)

18. Some Revolution

just saying.

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Response to otohara (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:42 PM

ehrnst (32,640 posts)

214. Yep. (nt)

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 06:12 PM

LenaBaby61 (4,555 posts)

32. Not gonna work though IMHO.

I wouldn't trust tRump as far as I could trow a Mack Truck. The man's a pathological LIAR who lies while he's saying he's not lying, and you can't box that clown into anything because his supporters don't CARE and they won't hold him accountable for anything. And, even though he doesn't necessarily get along with every GOP'er, they'll get along enough to destroy Medicare, privatize Social Security/prisons, increase defense spending, gut federal agencies etc. We know he doesn't have a mandate, and we know he's also unhinged as well. Also, not sure if if there are enough Rethugs to totally stop this monster from doing many of the things he wants to do TO this country.

IF Bernie can pull this off (doubtful because tRump is insane), then kudos to him, because tRump is certifiable. IF he doesn't, then he'll just be another person thrown under tRump's big, ugly, racist, orange bus.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 06:02 PM

onecaliberal (19,585 posts)

29. STOP IT! Seriously FFS already.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 06:21 PM

Tarheel_Dem (30,913 posts)

33. THIS

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Thu Nov 17, 2016, 06:24 PM

TrekLuver (2,573 posts)

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #110)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:07 AM

TrekLuver (2,573 posts)

149. Oh I know it's shaping up to be a Rogues Gallery...I'm not surprised...this is

what the "people" voted for.

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Response to TrekLuver (Reply #149)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:05 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

224. We shouldn't help them.

Let them do their dirty deeds all on their own...if Democrats don't fight, we are so screwed.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:00 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

146. YES!!!!!!!

What the actual FUCK!!!??

I can't take this shit anymore! I can't believe Bernie is rolling over for this horseshit! DAMN!

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:08 AM

Fla Dem (15,922 posts)

150. Ye gods, that's what jumped out at me. 10 fu&cking dollars!

the inside. The outside is blank with horror.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #155)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:08 PM

jmowreader (44,581 posts)

336. Schwarzenegger was the Gropenfuhrer

Shouldn't Trump be something like the Katzchengreifener?

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 03:49 PM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

7. Trump is going to abolish the minimum wage not raise it.

It's nice to see Bernie allied with Trump though.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 04:00 PM

BlueProgressive (229 posts)

11. Hillary couldn't wait to "work with Republicans", and I well remember

her primary partisans explaining to us what a great thing that was.

If Bernie can get Trump to move toward us on OUR issues, like a higher minimum wage, more power to him-- it's not quite the same as becoming a Republican-enabler.

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Response to BlueProgressive (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 05:48 PM

guillaumeb (42,204 posts)

27. Welcome to DU.

I don't think this would be the response.

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Response to mcar (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 07:51 PM

greatauntoftriplets (171,835 posts)

43. Word like "traitor", "sellout", "POSUCs" and "Republican"...

would ring through the hallowed halls of DU. Many flamefests would ensue.

Unbelievable.

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:39 PM

mcar (35,685 posts)

47. Oh yeah

Akin to all the hair on fire screeds about sellout Obama.

Some things will never change, apparently.

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Response to mcar (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:00 PM

greatauntoftriplets (171,835 posts)

59. Never.

I forgot "spineless".

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #59)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:03 PM

mcar (35,685 posts)

62. "Corporatist!!11"

And who can forget: oligarchy, oligarchy, oligarchy!

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Response to mcar (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:59 PM

greatauntoftriplets (171,835 posts)

75. As much as I try to forget.

Funny thing, a few months ago I heard a Republican whine about "oligarchy". Go figure.

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Response to sfwriter (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:00 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

... in the M$M or his base of voters

HRC base of supporters hate DPutin to core

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:06 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

64. Who was Hillary being "practical" against?

Bernie?

Another question: Who was she being practical TO?

Big business?

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:55 PM

hrmjustin (71,265 posts)

73. Her point was that not every area could afford a 15 minimum wage. I am not saying I agreed or...

..disagreed with this position but she felt she was being practical.

Now Sanders is settling for $10 to be practical.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #73)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 11:13 PM

Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)

that he would fight Hillary every step of the way after she won the election?

He said that during the campaign. He said it when he should have been strongly on her side.

https://trofire.com/2016/10/27/bernie-sanders-vows-hold-hillary-accountable-progressives/

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Response to athena (Reply #68)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:22 PM

ThirdEye (200 posts)

71. Holding someone accountable is not the same as fighting with them.

Plus, he has said he'd fight Trump and hold him accountable. In that case he meant fight and accountable, not just accountable.

It is my opinion that he had to take this approach, whether he wanted to or not, otherwise the people who believed in him would have lost all faith. They needed to know that if they voted Hillary that he would hold her accountable for what she promised. That, in just my opinion, was the correct approach at the time.

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Response to ThirdEye (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:40 AM

LisaM (26,033 posts)

131. No he did not campaign for her vigorously.

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First he tried to fight her at the convention and his supporters tried to disrupt it. Then he vanished from the campaign trail. He finally emerged at the end but too little, too late IMHO. Now he's everywhere.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #131)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 12:27 AM

grossproffit (5,591 posts)

269. Thank you! If I never saw him again it would be too soon.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:03 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

117. Yes that is it. It shows how indepenents are way more willing to work

with the GOP than Democrats. And it shows why we lose.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 04:32 PM

Vinca (45,723 posts)

21. But Trump says American workers are paid too much and that's why we can't compete

in the global economy. Nothing is going to change in the next 4 years . . . unless it changes for the worse.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 04:32 PM

Pisces (5,271 posts)

22. No thanks Bernie, states are taking up the matter and going for the original 15!!!

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Thu Nov 17, 2016, 05:39 PM

mcar (35,685 posts)

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Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:07 PM

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Response to TrekLuver (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:45 PM

Erin_Petrovna (13 posts)

50. I don't care if he was trying to be named Homecoming King

It's still hypocritical. What difference does it make why he said it or advocated it? It allowed him to paint Hillary as an enemy to the working poor and now he's trying to play the good guy by working with Trump? Nah. Doesn't work for me.

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Response to Erin_Petrovna (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:48 PM

TrekLuver (2,573 posts)

51. I'm a realist....get a grip this is politics !!!!!

So if this is disappointing to all the die hard Bernie supporters I can understand but again let's be real here and not live in a realm we would like to inhabit but it's not reality.

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Response to TrekLuver (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:21 AM

dae (3,396 posts)

96. Plus 1!

Despite y'know, a large percentage of us who pulled for Bernie shelving our disillusionment with Hillary to vote against Trump. But no one's really gonna focus on that, and you know it.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:08 PM

rbrnmw (7,160 posts)

46. 12 wasn't enough though right?

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 08:41 PM

mcar (35,685 posts)

48. 12 wasn't enough

But 10 is practical. Or something.

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Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:06 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:25 PM

Sunny05 (865 posts)

78. Everyone, please read the posts ...

the posts about voters purged (in greater numbers than what trump won in some states), possible/probable vote tampering, and Comey. There are bigger enemies out there.

Having said that, I like both Hillary and Bernie. I don't know what's up w/ Bernie's negotiating w/ trump, but I suspect Bernie is doing his best with the situation. I don't know what was up w/ Hillary's campaign decisions, but I suspect she did her best w/ the situation.

In the meantime, here is what I do know. The real enemies are the cheats & bigots: Comey, voter suppressing conservatives, vote tampering criminals, racists, misogynists, anti-Semites, homophobes, trump, pence, ryan, priebus, giuliani, chaffetz, ....

My God, the list is exhausting even to start. I can't even think about criticizing Sanders and Clinton right now, b/c the real problems are just too overwhelming.

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Response to Sunny05 (Reply #78)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 10:48 PM

SMC22307 (7,372 posts)

81. What do you expect a United States Senator to do?

Sit in the corner and pout for four years? Bernie has said he'll work with Trump on good policy (like protecting SS and Medicare), and fight him on bad policy (like climate change "hoax" nonsense). If DU thinks Bernie will act like Republicans acted against Obama, they're in for a rude awakening.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #81)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:04 AM

GreenPartyVoter (70,127 posts)

95. Weird how pragmatic, baby steps, practical progressivism is now bad.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #95)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:42 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

132. LOL! No, practical baby step progressivism was bad when Hillary proposed anything realistic.

Bernie promised the moon with $15/hr, and it turns out to be bullshit after all.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #132)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:20 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

157. Its very obvious now right?

This makes me sick.

Talk about a sell out. FUCK!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #157)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:24 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

160. It is totally obvious, but sadly actually expected. To think we spent

months -- over a year-- calling out the obvious fantasyland we observed from him! Holy crap.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #160)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:29 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

163. And where are all the "feel the bern" people now

that Bernie is fighting for a...ten.dollar.wage.....when they excoriated Hillary on a daily basis for over a year and called her a corp/wall st whore because she supported a 12 dollar an hour wage??

Come and defend this BS now folks!!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #163)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 01:50 PM

ThirdEye (200 posts)

193. 10 is a small piece of this puzzle

the article said:

Sanders, speaking with reporters at a Christian Science Monitor sponsored breakfast, said he is ready to embrace Trump on a handful of campaign promises. Those include protecting Social Security and Medicare, negotiating for lower drug prices, raising the minimum wage to $10, imposing tariffs on companies that ship jobs overseas, and re-regulating Wall Street by re-establishing Glass-Steagall.

On these issues, Trump's promises put the President-elect closer to Sanders than to most Republican Party leaders. House Speaker Paul Ryan, for example, would not commit to passing Trump's tariff plan during a Sunday appearance on CNN's "State of the Union with Jake Tapper," saying that the solution is reforming the US tax code, "not tariffs, not trade wars."

....

Sanders, speaking with reporters at a Christian Science Monitor sponsored breakfast, said he is ready to embrace Trump on a handful of campaign promises. Those include protecting Social Security and Medicare, negotiating for lower drug prices, raising the minimum wage to $10, imposing tariffs on companies that ship jobs overseas, and re-regulating Wall Street by re-establishing Glass-Steagall.

....

Sanders is calling on Trump to fire Steve Bannon, the controversial former Breitbart executive who was recently named chief strategist of the Trump White House.

Sanders is promising to fight Trump "tooth and nail" on climate change, an issue that Trump has dismissed as a "hoax."

The Vermont senator opposes Trump's tax policy, which would cut taxes for the top 1% of earners by $317,000 per year, according to the Tax Policy Center.

And Sanders said it would be "an outrage" that would "completely divide the country" if Trump were to make good on his promise to appoint a special prosecutor to "lock up" Clinton.

....

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-allies/index.html

The only adult in the room.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 11:24 PM

mac56 (17,315 posts)

86. Damn. I thought it would be safe to come back here, with the election over.

But it looks like the civil war re-enactors are still raking through the coals of the primary.

Sheesh.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #86)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 06:23 AM

dae (3,396 posts)

100. .

Agree! Seems like old times.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 11:40 PM

aikoaiko (31,286 posts)

87. Thank you Bernie for bringing the action.

I'm proud of you Bernie.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #87)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:22 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

129. I am not. It makes us look weak and divided.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 12:23 AM

FrenchieCat (68,867 posts)

90. Should'nt we be starting the bid a little bit higher

isn't the point to negotiate down only if necessary? If we start at $10, by the time it's done the current minimum wage will go up by $.75 if we're lucky?

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Response to FrenchieCat (Reply #90)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 08:54 AM

Bobbie Jo (14,341 posts)

113. Exactly.

Wasn't that the argument against Hillary? She advocated for $12 an hour and was excoriated here.

Like I said above, wow.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 12:28 AM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

91. This is pure gold. Bookmarking. nt

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Fri Nov 18, 2016, 12:42 AM

SMC22307 (7,372 posts)

92. Actually, here's Sanders' exact quote, not a CNN reporter's spin.

“He talked about raising the minimum wage to $10,” Sanders said. “That’s not high enough for me, but it’s better than $7.25 an hour, and we look forward to working with him to raise the minimum wage.”

On that, and a host of other issues of concern to financially strapped Americans, such as the cost of prescription drugs, Sanders said “we’ll find out soon enough” if Trump’s promises were sincere.

“Our job is to hold him accountable,” Sanders said, “and we intend to do that.”

....

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/monitor_breakfast/2016/1117/Sen.-Bernie-Sanders-It-s-time-for-Democratic-soul-searching

Since DU is all anti-CNN these days...

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #92)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:54 AM

dae (3,396 posts)

94. Stop! Interjecting facts are not allowed in certain circles

regarding Sen. Sanders.

154. Yep and had Bernie not run Clinton would be president elect.

283. By working with Trump and ignoring...the appointment of Sessions and wanting judges who will jail

LGBTQ and registering Muslims...Bernie ignores a great evil and give Trump cover.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #248)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 12:41 AM

think (11,641 posts)

271. And the damage done. Did you forget why DWS resigned? Wow....

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Response to think (Reply #271)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 01:26 PM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

282. She won her election and was a convenient scapegoat.

There is nothing that anyone did at the DNC...that made Bernie lose...he got less votes and that is that. The horror that Democrats don't really like Bernie who has criticized the Democrats for year while giving the GOP a pass mostly. He lost...I seriously wish he would retire...because he will hurt our cause of stopping Trump.

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Response to think (Reply #152)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:20 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

158. LOL, that's hilarious. The hypocrisy is astounding. He maligned Hillary for 12/hr,

but now that he is dealing with reality, he's willing to take $10 with no explanation as to why he mislead people.

Maybe he owes it to the American people to explain how his fantasy land proposals obviously wouldn't survive the real world.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #158)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:26 AM

think (11,641 posts)

161. "He talked about raising the minimum wage to 10, Sanders said. Thats not high enough for me,"

but it’s better than $7.25 an hour, and we look forward to working with him to raise the minimum wage.”

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Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:42 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

168. Yes, reality only matters now that Sanders has to deal with it.

In the meantime, he poisoned the minds of millions of young Americans by misleading them with his unrealistic promises. He also owes Clinton an apology for making her out to be an enemy of workers when she injected reality into his fantasyland grandstanding.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #168)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:44 AM

think (11,641 posts)

169. Bernie wanted to raise the minimum wage to 15 by 2020. That is unrealistic?

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Response to think (Reply #169)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:51 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

171. Oh, ffs. He said he was against incremental change, but that's because it was

Hillary's realistic $12/hr proposal. He obviously wanted his fantasyland high ground. Now that he's faced with reality, it's a different story. He should explain to the young people how he misled them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-minimum-wage_us_5714fc02e4b0060ccda3b8df
He has also said that we don’t have to settle for incremental change, and our opinion is, a $12 minimum wage is incremental change.”

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #171)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:05 AM

think (11,641 posts)

173. "Heres a partial transcript from a speech Sanders delivered on Wednesday "

What Bernie Sanders Wants From Donald Trump

CLARE FORAN NOV 17, 2016

~Snip~

Here’s a partial transcript from a speech Sanders delivered on Wednesday evening in Washington, D.C., outlining an agenda that Democrats and Trump might agree upon:

Mr. Trump said, unlike many Republicans, the vast majority of Republicans, he said that he will not cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Now, I believe we should expand Social Security … but that is what he said, and pay attention to see what he now does. The question that will be resolved pretty quickly is whether or not everything that he was saying to the working families of this country was hypocrisy, was dishonest, or whether he was sincere. And we will find that out soon enough. But No. 1, no cuts, says Mr. Trump, to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Mr. Trump says he wants to invest a trillion dollars in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. That is a good sum of money, that is exactly what we should be doing, and we can create millions of good-paying jobs if we do that. Mr. Trump, that’s what you said on the campaign trail, that’s what we look forward to seeing from you.

I happen to believe that the federal minimum wage … is a starvation wage, and that it should be raised to $15 dollars an hour, a living wage. Mr. Trump did not say that, but what he did say is we should raise the minimum wage to 10 bucks an hour. Not enough, but a start, and we will hold him to those words.

Mr. Trump said that Wall Street is dangerous, doing bad things, he wants to re-establish Glass-Steagall legislation. I look forward to working with him....

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/bernie-sanders-donald-trump/508007/

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Response to think (Reply #173)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:06 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

174. Quit spamming. It's obvious you are making excuses for Bernie backtracking on

his promises. He maligned Hillary for the very thing he is now doing. Reality. Live with it. He was obviously misleading people with $15/hr. Maybe Hillary should have upped it to $20 and made it a real show for the easily misled!

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #134)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:50 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

170. "I wonder if he'll apologize to Hillary for excoriating her realistic 12/hr"

Don't hold your breath on that eh?

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:53 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

137. 10? WTF happened to 15?

I remember Hillary getting beat up on this site for saying 12, so what the hell?

10 is the new 15 and the MF republicans and orange hitler will take credit for it too.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #137)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 09:57 AM

R B Garr (15,199 posts)

145. Great point about the Repubs taking credit for it! You are on to

something there.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #145)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:06 AM

workinclasszero (28,270 posts)

148. Sure they obstruct and fight President Obama for 8 years straight

and tell their dumb ass voters that its the democrats fault for their miserable lives.

Now that those putrid scum are in control the damn democrats will give them victory after victory helping them all the way so the republicans can say, see only republicans are going to do anything for you deplorables!

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:26 AM

wisteria (19,581 posts)

162. Why is this breaking news?

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Response to wisteria (Reply #162)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:30 AM

LP2K12 (885 posts)

164. Blame game...

Because people on here are still blaming Sanders, the "brosocialists" and socialist dems for the loss...

You know, instead of coming together to work towards reorganizing our party and electing more dems.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 10:35 AM

Uponthegears (1,499 posts)

166. Breaking News

The same people who are 100% behind Charles Schumer's support of Trump's trillion dollar tax amnesty for offshore corporations throw tantrum when Bernie Sanders tries to get the party whose platform wants the minimum wage ABOLISHED ENTIRELY to raise it.

Why you ask? Because, because, because . . . oh yea, because minimum wage workers need to pay the price, NOT big corporate campaign contributors.

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Response to otohara (Original post)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:20 AM

book_worm (15,907 posts)

Now you're gonna lend him your supposed working class bona fides, after you said the Democratic nominee was a corporate shill?

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Response to Maven (Reply #236)

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 11:50 PM

think (11,641 posts)

Trump will use it as a PR move to show working class he's trying to help and the bad old GOP and Dem establishment wouldn't let it happen. He'll use Bernie the same way he exploited discontent among Bernie supporters who couldn't accept that he lost and blamed a "rigged system".

Bernie isn't helping and neither are you. But of course, as usual, it's all about him.

Oh, and here's an obligatory

back at ya.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #280)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 01:41 PM

Maven (10,522 posts)

286. Please read today's TPM about how Trump's infrastructure bill

Is essentially just a tax giveaway to construction companies and doesn't directly fund any infrastructure projects. As opposed HRC, whose infrastructure plan would have directly funded new roads, bridges etc. But she's an awful CorporateDem right?

Speaking of which, did you vote for her?

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Response to Maven (Reply #286)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 02:45 PM

SMC22307 (7,372 posts)

287. That doesn't answer my question about what the Democratic Party...

plans to do to win back the 60+ Rust Belt electoral votes Hillary lost. Or explain where else in the country those votes be made up going forward.

I'll read it. But you seem to be assuming I approve of Trump's plan. What I do approve of is getting Americans to work. It remains to be seen whether Congressional Dems will roll over, or act like a true opposition party.

I voted, and my Northern Virginia blue bubble carried Virginia. You're welcome.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #280)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 04:17 PM

uponit7771 (74,618 posts)

296. The one with full employement and a rising LFPR ?! REALLY?! We're swing RWTP's now?!?!

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #268)

Mon Nov 21, 2016, 07:41 AM

Demsrule86 (52,162 posts)

308. Privatized roads and utilities would be very harmful to the working class.

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Response to think (Reply #264)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 12:14 AM

SMC22307 (7,372 posts)

267. Yes. And for a massive infrastructure bill. (n/t)

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #267)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 12:39 AM

ucrdem (15,502 posts)

270. ... to build toll roads and privatized utilities.

Trump has made it clear he plans to "partner with the private sector" i.e. sell the commons. Whatever Sanders thought he was accomplishing the optics and language of his speech are utterly horrible.

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Response to SMC22307 (Reply #267)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 11:16 AM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)