With unemployment under 5% Trump is starting from a very rough position for him

Our workforce participation is right now at 62.8%. And that actually is the lowest percentage of population working since the 70s. So they aren't totally wrong about that aspect of it.

A big problem is we have so much of our population underemployed. We got lots of college grads bartending and working cashiers. We got people who can't find full-time jobs. I know this one guy who works 3 part-time jobs, works 60 hours a week....gets no benefits. None. He's paying a small fortune for Obamacare.

That guy right there I'm talking about....who do you think he voted for?

Great point!

and this is what I said in another thread. It mimics your point. The guy was talking about the great unemployment numbers:

This isn't totally true. Our labor participation rate is really low. It basically means people have stopped looking for jobs. I think this is the frustration of the rust belt voter. We need to figure out a way to get them to feel like they haven't been screwed over for years. Because apparently they do.

I tried saying the same thing years ago, but most here don't want to hear it. It is party over policy more often than not, and if you have the slightest criticism when your party is in the whitehouse.... well, get used to the *close eyes, cover ears, repeat "i cant hear you"* routine

It's when we ignore the facts that we lose things like The House, The Senate and The Presidency. We can ignore it at our own peril if we want to.

But based on the tantrums thrown here we are doomed to repeat history... "bernie cost us the election", "Jill stein cost us the election", "stupid white males cost us the election"..... every excuse imaginable but no introspection.

There were so many threads in the primaries about how bernie was beating trump by a larger margin, how bernie excited people more, how republicans hate hillary so much they will turn out just to vote against her. Eyes were closed, ears were shut, mind was numb. Best bet now is winning the lottery and moving

I can go back all the way to the late eighties and remember those same white dudes telling me we don't need unions no more because all of that stuff is covered by government laws.

i'm really leary of putting a lot of effort into the so-called rust belt working folks vote, I think what they really want is to "make america great again".

it will be 50%

to blame for his disasters.

for each disaster that he inflicts on the American people and the world.

If they repeal Obamacare and private insurance companies raise rates by 40% and college students get kicked off of a parent's health plan and there is suddenly a new lifetime limit on coverage, they'll do their best to blame it all on Obamacare and Democrats.

but will it be in his first term or (yikes!!) a 2nd term?? It will rival the last one I'm afraid.

either because no one wants them, or they are either under or over qualified for them. Were at 4.6% unemployment here.

Are these all median income jobs with health benefits and retirement plans? Or are there just a lot more wal-marts than usual in your area?

https://www.labor.ny.gov/jobs/regional.shtm

http://www.orangecountygov.com/eta

https://regionalhelpwanted.com/hudson-valley-jobs/

http://www.orangecountygov.com/filestorage/124/1038/Fall_2016_Job_Fair_Poster.pdf

http://www.co.orange.ny.us/content/124/1360/1556/default.aspx

http://www.co.orange.ny.us/content/124/1360/1454/default.aspx

I imagine many of the firms that are hiring professionally do offer benefits. The civil service positions do. My niece works in one of the medical centers and they even hire "travelers" nursing staff that only works for short periods of time.

Just a sampling of whats around my county, the newspaper has many ads. We have many huge warehouses going in for medical supplies, a NYC brewery is shifting operations here, Angry Orchards is expanding, many small brewery, wineries and cider & liquor distillers expanding, lots of retail jobs as the super mega outlet morass expands even more. I even saw the farmers advertising for migrant workers this year. The county is getting back into full swing as a hops producer.

And great thread. It provided me with two virulently anti-Obama posters for my iggy list.

... unless the DNC does shock conversation on the matter