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Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:00 PM

In all the postmortem analysis that I have read here,

and in the corporate media, I have not seen as yet any analysis aimed at asking why more people voted for Hillary Clinton.

I have seen a lot about the role of racism, and sexism, and Islamophobia, and other factors that attempt to explain why people voted for Trump, but so far nothing about why a majority of voters actually voted for Clinton.

SO in all of the analysis of "what went wrong", and "how can we appeal to this (insert appropriate bloc of voters here) group", and the "if only we had a better candidate" posts, there is nothing really focusing on the fact that most voters actually voted for Clinton. And not stressing this fact makes it easier for the GOP to talk about a mandate, and much easier for the corporate media to treat this as a mandate for a GOP program of dismantling government programs that benefit the bottom 90%.

SO as we talk about going forward, and planning for 2018, and crafting a better message, remember that media outreach must be a big part of this talk. If the media had spent a fraction of the time analyzing Trump's proposals and the climate of GOP directed voter suppression as they did on emails the result might have been different.

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Reply In all the postmortem analysis that I have read here, (Original post)
guillaumeb Dec 2016 OP
Hekate Dec 2016 #1
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #3
MichMary Dec 2016 #2
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #4
MichMary Dec 2016 #7
musicblind Dec 2016 #13
Name removed Dec 2016 #5
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #6
betsuni Dec 2016 #8
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #10
ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #9
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #11
SamKnause Dec 2016 #12
SammyWinstonJack Dec 2016 #14
SamKnause Dec 2016 #15
watrwefitinfor Dec 2016 #17
SamKnause Dec 2016 #19
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #21
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #20
SamKnause Dec 2016 #22
ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #24
Exilednight Dec 2016 #16
guillaumeb Dec 2016 #23
RandiFan1290 Dec 2016 #18

Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:05 PM

1. Plus 10000000001 ......

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Response to Hekate (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:12 PM

3. Thank you. I feel postmortem analysis must be positive as well as negative.

Otherwise depression and fatalism might set in.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:11 PM

2. She really only

got the popular vote lead because of California. IIRC, Hair Fuehrer won the popular vote in the rest of the states. If that is true, I think we can chalk it up to a different culture in different areas of the country.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:15 PM

4. She actually won Illinois and New York and other areas as well.

And even in states she lost, she actually received many votes. Trump's win was razor thin in some of the battleground states.

It is not as if only California nd New York and Illinois voters voted for her.

Personally I do not believe the "different culture" meme has too much validity. I place far more weight on voter suppression and media focus.
Edited to add:
Sorry, welcome to DU also.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:43 PM

7. Thanks for the welcome!

I stand corrected about the popular vote per state.

There definitely was a LOT of voter suppression, but there is also a difference in culture.

I live in a small town in Michigan, and we have lost a large number of good, manufacturing jobs in this town over the last 20--30 years. Those good-paying union jobs were replaced with minimum wage service jobs. People here don't want to move away from the place where their families have lived for generations, and the result is that their standard of living has substantially decreased. I can understand why a snake oil salesman promising "those jobs are coming back" would have a lot of appeal to desperate people.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:22 AM

13. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 21 states.

Clinton won 15 of those 21 states by double digits.

Clinton also won many of the urban centers in states that Trump won.

Trump won the popular vote in the other states, BUT those other states are rural and have less people in them.

That is why Trump won the election but lost the popular vote. That is also why Hillary's popular vote margin is not by any means solely on California and New York.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:26 PM

6. You are obviously new here. You might want to read rules about what can be posted.

And welcome to DU.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:50 PM

8. I'm tired of the negativity from all sides.

Thinking of the Democratic National convention, I see nothing wrong with the message, the party platform, or the candidates -- it was great. I'm in a cranky mood what with all the negativity and nitpicking and emotion. Why is it so hard for people to be objective? America loves bullshit, I guess. Now we have to live in the Opposite World of Republicans because something about the Democratic Party not being perfect, whatever the hell that means. Bullshit. Bah Humbug.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:40 PM

10. The Democratic message was lost in that the media ignored the message to focus on the optics of

Trump's rallies and the never-ending "issue" of the emails and candidate likeability.

When emails were an issue during the Bush Administration, the millions of deleted emails were only briefly considered newsworthy.

As to likeability, I do not know any of the candidates. I vote based on positions, not some type of likeability quotient. As if running for President is the equivalent of running for Prom Queen.

And I was a Sanders supporter, and voted for him in the Illinois primary. I made no secret of that, but in the general election Sanders was not a choice. So I voted, as I always have, for the better candidate. I have never voted for a perfect candidate because I have never been the candidate.

So if we are to come together, if we do not unite after this and work for 2018 no amount of discussion about changing demographics will help. Yes, younger people are generally more tolerant, but old racists were also young once. We cannot assume that every young voter is naturally going to be a Democrat. We really need to force the media to pay attention to what the GOP will do, or try to do, and let voters know how the Democrats would do it better.

And we must keep repeating that Clinton won the popular vote. There can be no GOP talk of a mandate without a Democratic rebuttal.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:57 PM

9. Thank you

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:41 PM

11. You are welcome. eom

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:08 AM

12. I supported Bernie 100%.

I voted for Hillary to stop Trump, the Republicans, and their evil agenda.

I was elated with Bernie, his policies, his vision for this country.

I was not excited to vote for Hillary.

I did it to stop TRUMP, the Republicans, and their EVIL agenda.

I cried for 2 days when Hillary lost.

I still can not believe it is real.

I am a 63 year old female.

That is my 2 cents.

I keep seeing posts that some people think Bernie cost Hillary the election.

I have the exact opposite take on that.

I will never forgive the Hillary supporters.

That is my 2 cents.

Flame away.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:20 AM

14. No flames from me. I am also a 63 year old female, Bernie supporter,

voted to stop tRump and everything else you wrote.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:21 AM

15. Thank you.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:02 AM

17. SAM: I am a 70-something year old female and

I agree with everything you wrote.

EXCEPT the last point. I have no problem "forgiving" or reconciling with Hillary supporters. I recognize the urgent need for all of us to work together in the next two years to defeat the incipient fascism, and the first step has to be to lay aside the ugliness, strive to learn from the strengths of the other campaign, and work together. NOW.

To fail to do this is to go the same route as the left in pre-fascist Germany. We all know how that ended.

But I do have the most vicious and insulting of those who want to continue the primary fights on ignore. (That includes some Bernie supporters, as well.) I have had to do this in order to continue reading DU. It protects my blood pressure and bad nerves and lessens my state of depression over the election results not to have to read the contemptuous remarks they make at every mention of Bernie's name and his supporters.

Every hateful slur by these fellow DUers is a stab in the heart of this lifetime FDR/JFFK Democrat, early Bernie supporter, and Hillary voter.

Having these DUers on ignore also eliminates over half the posts I see in most any given thread in 2016 Postmortem. I can still log out and read them all, and occasionally I do that, but quickly log back in.

Wat

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Response to watrwefitinfor (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:11 AM

19. Thank you.

I am following Bernie's lead, but I am not as forgiving as he is.

What could have been makes my heart ache !!!

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Response to watrwefitinfor (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:38 AM

21. I agree with everything that YOU wrote,

Except for the "ignore" advice. I do not use the ignore feature. If someone calls me an idiot I would rather read it because sometimes they are correct.

For the same reason I followed Discussionist, and JPR, and Free Republic. Not because I agree with any or all of the comments, but to get a sense of what is out there.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:35 AM

20. Yes there are some "bash Sanders" posts here.

I believe that part of that is expressing the anger over Clinton's loss. After a loss, it is natural to look for someone or something to blame.

But as long as we remember that Clinton won the popular vote, and as long as we attempt to force the media to acknowledge that fact, it will make it harder for the GOP and the corporate media to talk about a mandate.

As to forgiveness, forgiveness is for you. Holding on to the anger is corrosive. So please try to let the anger go and remember that if Democrats come together and work together 2018 is only 2 years away.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:39 AM

22. No anger here.

No forgiveness here either.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:41 AM

24. Ditto

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:23 AM

16. Because we do not pick our presidents on popular vote. It's like a team saying we wil because we

have more fans, no matter how many points the other team scores.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:40 AM

23. No, the popular vote does not pick the Presidents.

But the popular vote is one measure of enthusiasm. And if Democrats can motivate the 41% of unmotivated voters, the electoral votes will follow. But it really must be a 50 state outreach strategy.

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Response to guillaumeb (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:08 AM

18. Have to keep the powder dry

Will have to work together to weaken the ACA and keep the individual mandate. There are also future temporary tax cuts that will need to be made permanent.

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