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Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:49 AM

 

CLINTON won among voters that made $50,000 or less AND those said ECONOMY most important 7.3

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484


"Exit polls show Hillary Clinton winning a majority of the vote from people who told pollsters that the economy was the most important issue facing the country. What's more, in each state, a majority of voters said that was the case.

In fact, if we extend that out to every state for which we have exit polling, in 22 of those 27 states a majority of people said that the economy was the most important issue. And in 20 of those states, voters who said so preferred Hillary Clinton. In 17, in fact, a majority of those voters backed Clinton....

In nearly every state, Clinton did better (and Trump worse) with voters worried about the economy than with the overall pool of voters. (Notice how the blue slices in the smaller circles extend further than the blue slices in the larger ones.)

How can that be? How can she win a majority of the majority and still lose? Because she lost with other groups worse.

The exit poll questionnaire gave voters a choice between four options for the most important issue. Clinton was generally preferred by those who said foreign policy was the most important issue, too, but Trump was preferred by those who saw immigration or terrorism as most important. The key is the margins. On average, about 13 percent of people in the 27 states said foreign policy was most important and they preferred Clinton by an average of 30 points.

On average, voters who said the economy was most important preferred Clinton by 7.3.

But on terrorism, rated most important by a fifth of voters, on average, Trump led by an average of 21.8 points. On immigration (most important to an average of 12.2 percent of respondents)? A huge 42.1 percentage point lead for Trump."



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/02/in-nearly-every-swing-state-voters-preferred-hillary-clinton-on-the-economy/?utm_term=.3428cb06d380


Who voted for Donald Trump? Mostly white men and women, voting data reveals


White men and white women. White men and women with degrees, and without. White men and women with more than $50,000.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/who-voted-for-donald-trump-white-men-and-women-most-responsible-for-new-president-elect-voting-data-a7407996.html


White and wealthy voters gave victory to Donald Trump, exit polls show
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls

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Reply CLINTON won among voters that made $50,000 or less AND those said ECONOMY most important 7.3 (Original post)
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 OP
riversedge Dec 2016 #1
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #2
tammywammy Dec 2016 #3
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #4
doc03 Dec 2016 #5
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #6
doc03 Dec 2016 #7
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #8
Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2016 #9
TwilightZone Dec 2016 #12
uponit7771 Dec 2016 #10
Garrett78 Dec 2016 #11
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #14
NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #15
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #16
BainsBane Dec 2016 #17
duffyduff Dec 2016 #19
duffyduff Dec 2016 #18
Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #20
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #21
realmirage Dec 2016 #22
Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #23
bettyellen Dec 2016 #24
Nevernose Dec 2016 #25
raging moderate Dec 2016 #26
napi21 Dec 2016 #27

Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:52 AM

1. and now it will be more of trickle down horror for so many

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Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:08 AM

2. ...

 


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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:19 AM

3. k&r

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:13 AM

4. KnR!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:15 AM

5. A Trumpster said this morning that if you take California out that

Trump won both the popular and electoral vote. Well it must have been on Fox, I am sitting at McDonalds and I just heard a second person
repeat the same thing.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:19 AM

6. Why Bush v. Gore might mean that Clinton should be president: The EP argument against winner-take-al

 

Why Bush v. Gore might mean that Clinton should be president: The EP argument against winner-take-all: #1p1vote

https://twitter.com/lessig/status/805426166433742850


The Equal Protection argument against ďwinner take allĒ in the Electoral College

Itís perfectly clear that the Attorney General of New York or California could walk into the Supreme Court tomorrow, and ask the Court to hear the case. Delaware tried to do this exactly fifty years ago, but the Court ducked the question. But based on that complaint, were I a citizen of California, Iíd ask my current AG (and future Senator) why hasnít CA done the same thing? And were I a citizen of New York, Iíd ask my AG the same. Why are these big states standing by quietly as their voters are essentially silenced by the unconstitutional inequality?


https://medium.com/lessig/the-equal-protection-argument-against-winner-take-all-in-the-electoral-college-b09e8a49d777#.kyqhlyifa

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:24 AM

7. I just edited last post, I just heard the second person repeat that. I guess they heard it on

Fox. Well if we eliminated the south the Republicans would never win anything.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:21 AM

8. I made an OP of the last article.

 

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Response to doc03 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:41 AM

9. Can't take California out though... it is a state just like any other state.

Seems kind of stupid like they want to pretend he won the popular vote too... (just don't pay attention to California because they don't matter). They got what they wanted. I can't understand what is wrong with these people. The sorest winners ever. I've seen it before in these tea party types though. They are relentless assholes. The mayor of my city got in office the first time by just barely winning a run off election against a dead man. His opponent died just a few days prior to the runoff election. You'd think the winner would be gracious, respectful and kind when speaking of his opponent who not only lost the election, but lost his life just a few days prior. You'd think that, but you would be wrong. Nope, pretty much the first thing out of this guy's mouth after he won was some complaint about his opponent running a dirty campaign... blah, blah, blah. It was total shit, but even if it was true, why bring it up anyway? You won. The other man is dead. These people are all about beating the dead horse... or man.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:41 PM

12. That will be a legitimate argument if/when California secedes.

For now, it's ridiculous. It's a state just like every other state.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:09 PM

10. So she won with the DNC's core base; working class people ... sigh... wtf, this election is so

... drenched with fraud

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:12 PM

11. The "working class whites/economic messaging" narrative never stood up to scrutiny.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:59 PM

14. Wow! Thanks for the link/OP/posting

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:41 PM

13. Those promoting the thought we ignored the economy and white males...

 

Have become transparent. They are the same group that made excuse after excuse about a monolithic campaign in the primaries that didn't represent the party as a whole.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:24 PM

15. KnR!

 

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Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:16 PM

16. KnR!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:19 PM

17. Notice how the people who have all the answers for the Democratic Party

assiduously ignore this data.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:21 PM

19. I know.

 

It is pretty clear bigotry won the day plus cheating.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 09:20 PM

18. But, but, but

 

She didn't win the white dudes in the rust belt, and we KNOW they didn't vote because they were bigots and idiots.

Facts don't matter with that narrative.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sat Dec 10, 2016, 10:20 PM

20. k/r

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 07:24 PM

21. Kicking!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:05 PM

22. The same polls that said Hillary would win easily? I don't trust polls anymore.

 

I trust what I hear people saying in interviews, and what people in the rust belt have been saying to those who will actually listen. That liberal southern guy on Bill Maher's last episode before his break was trying to explain what happened in the rust belt, half the panel didn't want to hear it

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Response to realmirage (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:16 PM

23. Okee!

 

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Response to realmirage (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:39 PM

24. You mean the folks dug up by visiting reporters to fit their narrative?

 

You know that they show up with a theme in mind and it wasn't thorny stuff that requires some self reflection like immigration or terrorism- (which were Trumps most popular policies) it was something they could can into a nice little thirty minute "lesson" for the Dems.

Have you noticed not one single person gets questioned about the "wall" or muslims? They want to pretend we never saw that ugliness because they don't know how to discuss it without offending viewers.

They continue to manipulate us.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:04 PM

25. Ironically, our economy has improved so much

Under Obama's leadership that there weren't enough voters motivated by economic fears.

I wish it was "ha ha" irony and not "now I'm clinically depressed" irony.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:09 PM

26. These Trump voters believe THEY are the REAL working class.

I once read a book by one of these little snobs (a woman!) who argued that lower-paid jobs were not really work, they were only labor, and did not deserve respect. It is Ayn Rand's evil influence permeating our culture, insidiously.

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Original post)

Sun Dec 11, 2016, 10:21 PM

27. I know we have to examine why we lost, but I think the real reason isn't something you can control.

I think the Con won because he's a trained TV Star. Before you call me an idiot, think about this. Reagan won, and was loved by a lot of people, and HE TOO was a trained movie star.

Both learned how to make people like you! Yes, manipulate them! think some people are more adaptable to being able to do that, and some wouldn't ever be able to pull it off.

I really like Hillary and I trust her, but I was apparently in the minority. But then, I ignored all the BS the Pubs threw t her for 25 years, and many other people couldn't. They said, with all those accusations, there HAS to something. It didn't matter that she was the most experienced candidate, running against the LEAST KNOWLEDGABLE candidate EVER!

Is it insane to think about training our Dems, at all levels, how to make people like you?

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