2016 Postmortem
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uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... ran because Sanders would've been a shoe in.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I voted to leave.
Sid
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)in all his Tweets and continued bashing of Democrats post election interviews etc.
I wonder just who the fuck he's talking about.
kickitup
(355 posts)Hard concept to understand, I know.
otohara
(24,135 posts)the words Democrats or the Democratic party.
He will never heal the divide and hate he created towards Democrats, our nominee and towards POTUS Obama if he continues to
distance himself from the party he used, abused and trashed for decades.
kickitup
(355 posts)But it doesn't surprise me in the least that many of you have yet to awaken to that fact.
Bernie's "we" is broader than any party.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)but he isn't one of us...and while I'd still vote for him, I am not falling to the RT meme of 'he would have beat Trump". the Kremlin just would have stolen it a different way.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...it's safe to say we know who "we" is.
otohara
(24,135 posts)every Friday, including our President.
I used to listen - religiously
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)he's still doing it... can't stop himself. He has no alliance to anyone but himself.
We have to ask ourselves, Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we dont agree with anything the Democratic Party says?
He had an enormously contentious relationship with them, said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.), then a state senator.
Back in those days, said Maurice Mahoney, the head of the Democratic Party in Burlington in the 80s, his goal was to destroy Democratscertainly on the local level.
It was a Democratic town that he basically took from them, said Bill Conroy, who wrote a dissertation on Sanders tenure as mayor.
Said Hamilton Davis, a longtime Vermont reporter and Sanders watcher: They hated him, and he hated themunreservedly.
In 86, he decided to run for governor, against Kunin, which bothered herSanders daily diet consisted of vitriol, she would write in her memoirand worried many Vermont Democrats, who thought he might peel away enough votes to foil the reelection bid of the states first female governor. Democrats, Welch recalled, were extremely upset.
The main difference between the Democrats and the Republicans in this city, he said in an interview in Burlington in July with a Cornell student writing a masters thesis, is that the Democrats are in insurance and the Republicans are in banking.
In that summers issue of Vermont Affairs magazine, he called the Democratic Party ideologically bankrupt, then added: They have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.
I am not a Democrat, period. Sanders support for Michael Dukakis, the eventual nominee, was so tepid it almost didnt even qualify. He dubbed Dukakis the lesser of two evils as opposed to George H.W. Bush.
In an op-ed in the New York Times in January 1989, he called the Democratic and Republican parties tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, both adhering in his estimation to an ideology of greed and vulgarity.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181
Then his threats to primary our president
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...you would feel differently about what he says?
otohara
(24,135 posts)My Friday ritual for years was to listen to Brunch w/ Bern on the radio...but then he took aim at our president calling him weak and how millions and millions of American's were deeply disappointed in him and "somebody" should primary him, but he didn't have the cajones to say he was that person...it took a very long time before he admitted it. I also realized he says the same old shit over and over - a lot of complaining with unattainable solutions considering which party rules house/senate.
Back then I did not know how he had been trashing my party for years and swore many times he'd never run as a Democrat to running as a Democrat. Why should I believe a man who went back on his words and used my party to undermine Democrats and sully Hillary in a most personal manner... he continues to do so.
I went from liking him to loathing him - it might help if he'd become a Democrat and start healing the division he's partially responsible for, but that's never going to happen it it? Bernie never admits when he's wrong.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)His trashing does seem focused on making the party more responsive to us and less so to moneyed interests. I'm going to keep applauding that behavior; it doesn't hurt my own feelings.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)researching his past congressional votes.
I understand his appeal with people who just want to rebel to be able to satisfy a personal need to rebel. But I don't see any need for him outside his votes with Democrats in the Senate, and I certainly don't approve of his attacks of President Obama and Hillary Clinton and the DNC that gave the Orange-dictator all the fodder he needed to pile on.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)until the first follow-up meeting in NV where his supporters tried to change the outcome of the actual caucus in unprecedentedly nasty fashion and he basically acted as if their tactics were just fine.
From that point on, he went down the slippery slope VERY fast and I still haven't quite forgiven him. In fact, every time he bashes Dems or preaches to Hillary's Dem base that WE are the problem with her not winning in red states while WWC voters should have been pandered to, he slips right back down that slope. I also don't like how some of his supporters basically muscled Howard Dean and Martin O'Malley out of the DNC Chair race.
Frankly, I don't find him trustworthy. JMO
Cal33
(7,018 posts)lapucelle
(18,252 posts)decides to authorize a challenger to Sanders on the Democratic line.
Justice
(7,185 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...there is a LONG LIST of reasons why Hillary Clinton lost the election. Bernie Sanders doesn't even make the top five. But you know, haters gonna hate. Too bad we didn't have a more likeable and trustable candidate, you know, one that didn't have more baggage than American Tourister. And maybe our next candidate will ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO ALL VOTERS, not just the ones that can afford the $1,000 per plate dinners. And hopefully our next candidate will put more faith in "boots on the ground" than they do in "the model."
niyad
(113,275 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...and no matter how many times this poster opines the same OPINION, does not make it anything other than HER OPINION.
The indisputable fact of the matter is that OUR CANDIDATE LOST. And when our candidate lost, WE ALL LOST. Instead of holding back "the dark forces," we all now have to deal with the worst of the worst at the highest levels of power. There seemingly appear to be A NUMBER OF REASONS for this loss, and, IMHO, I do NOT count the candidacy of Senator Sanders as high on that list. And I am getting shit-fed-full of the Forever Hillary crowd's inability to accurately and honestly process the election results and the data presented.
We all need to man-up and woman-up and take a good, long, hard look at our current realities.
niyad
(113,275 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Have a nice day!
Only fools think Sanders damaged the Democratic party. Silly stupid fools...
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)attention seeking and how out of context he is willing to stoop to just for adoration.
"Do the hard career work", great quote. Notice he choose to go back to Independent so he doesn't have to bother with the hard parts.
Rec!
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)LOL...get used to hearing his name more often.
Response to TCJ70 (Reply #9)
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DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)That would be a turn off to voters and drive their negative approval ratings with registered voters to the high 50s.
kickitup
(355 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)kickitup
(355 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)They preach morality, but they insist that they are not accountable to their own standards. No thanks. We've seen through that little charade.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)If you want to imagine something, imagine how you would feel if somebody wrote this about Hillary.
elleng
(130,865 posts)I'm afraid real progressive/liberal success is doomed, if this is the reaction to such foolishness here.
He has exactly spent his whole career fighting for meaningful accomplishments, but tptb, in sway here as well as elsewhere, just won't have it.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)to be sure -- but they are returning. Would you mind delaying your vacation from this
site a little bit?
elleng
(130,865 posts)Just went out for coffee and.
Whether or not Senator Sanders' supporters return (p.s. I supported Governor O'Malley officially, and later, unofficially, recognized the necessity for Sanders' success,) I'm very unhappy with the reaction of many here to Senator Sanders. Feels quite juvenile and uninformed to me. AND continuing to hit eachother over the head ONLY benefits trump and repugs, no doubt about that.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)elleng
(130,865 posts)That's what doomed her this time, imo, taking advice from those who didn't get importance of face to face in rust belt etc. Then-Senator Obama knew it, and did it well years ago, and recently discussed importance of 'getting down' with people, even those not expected to be sympathetic.
If your emoji is meant as admonishment of some kind, it's only a benefit to repugs. We must NOT do the circular firing squad thing.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...had a post hidden in this thread.
jalan48
(13,860 posts)I bet he can wait to go to work for one of those big K Street firms. Which one do you think he'll choose?
PatsFan87
(368 posts)criticizes another politician for how they're making money. It's almost as if ol' Bernie was speaking in front of Wall Street for hundreds of thousands of dollars a speech. Oh wait.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)what the response would be here if anyone had dared criticize Hillary in this fashion? Of course, some politicians, having found speechmaking more lucrative, don't need to "pad their retirement accounts."
Of all the reasons Hillary lost the election, Bernie doesn't make even the top 50.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)You did not bow to the Democrat's corporate masters so we shall continue to taunt you.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Padding his retirement account?
bowens43
(16,064 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)but instead the machine bulldozed him.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Voters, specifically the majority of Democrats--people of color and women. Yeah, the most marginalized Americans are the "machine" who dared to deny a man his birthright.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Still not recognizing that your guy couldn't connect with registered democrats and black voters? Now we're "the machine"? That's hilarious.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Don't play stupid.
BTW, how'd your candidate do?
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Always ignoring black voters so you can peddle some bullshit. My candidate did infinitely better than yours.
Also, it's ironic that your trying to say the primary was rigged when your guy ran up the board at caucuses that excluded folks by making it difficult to vote.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)showed how badly her opponent did. Millions of voters rejected him.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Cal33
(7,018 posts)the betterment of the entire nation are stupid and passe, altogether out-dated. They prefer
to support those politicians who are lining their own pockets, as well as the pockets of their
followers. These latter are the modern, up-to-date and smarter ones.
It doesn't matter in the least that our whole country is going down the drain, and we are on
our way to becoming a Third World Nation -- with all that bribery and corruption going on.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Hillary lost get over it! Thats what we were told after the Primary, except we still had to then vote for Hillary, which we did.
It is time to move on.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)It could be Sanders or someone else for all I care.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)complain about the Koch brothers being part of the
Democratic Party.
It's only the FDR-type progressive who bother them,
which is quite revealing.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Hillary WON the primaries. Sanders supporters were required to accept that EVEN AFTER reports of consistent interference by DWS and the DNC. And we did for the good of the party and the threat of a Trump presidency. Any so-called Bernie "supporter" that turned and voted for Trump was never a true Democrat in the first place and would never have voted for her regardless. And if there were any their numbers were greatly exaggerated.
Most were like Sarah Silverman, who was behind Hillary early on and was excited about the possibility of the first female President, but when Sanders burst onto the scene with his wonderful long needed platform that would have moved the country into the modern age and caught up with the rest of the liberal democracies in the world, she recognized this as "something better came along" with Bernie.
And then when it was clear that Hillary was the winner, and Sanders himself conceded, she put her full support behind Hillary, as did the vast majority of Sanders supporters. And she went further and told the more vocally angry Bernie backers to "just stop it" at the convention.
Now bitter folks like you come along afterwards and kick the losing candidate and by proxy, his supporters when they are down. Down not from Sanders losing, but like all of us, down because of the impending doom of a Trump presidency.
Raster
(20,998 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)to explain a loss that should not have happened.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)owe their careers to courting business interests are going to see the wisdom of a person who is advocating against those mechanisms?
The very reason a person railing against the system as is stands does not get clout or power from that system, is that he is anathema to its very existence.
You're ideas are make-believe. The fact that he somehow, just for the sake of plugging away his whole life, and timing, caught a wave of sentiment near the end of it, has nothing to do with him "selling out." The clout he's building now is all for show from the establishment, I assure you. He was always there. He always knew these people. Nobody stood behind or with him before. You are suggesting that they would have, had he gone about things differently but I assure you, they were much happier when they could render him mute.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)Anyone who's followed Sanders' career over the last 25 years knows he has been consistent from the start in always looking out for well being of everyone, not just the privileged. And not just lately but right from the start of his career.