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Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:41 PM

No Shit...

The U.S. electoral system has about as much integrity as those in some third world countries, according to a new report by the Electoral Integrity Project.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312014-study-ranks-best-worst-states-for-electoral-integrity

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Reply No Shit... (Original post)
pbmus Dec 2016 OP
elleng Dec 2016 #1
Charles Bukowski Dec 2016 #2
InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #3
Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #8
Yurovsky Dec 2016 #10
Yurovsky Dec 2016 #11
triron Dec 2016 #4
MFM008 Dec 2016 #5
Drumron Dec 2016 #6
pbmus Dec 2016 #7
Drumron Dec 2016 #9
Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #12
Yupster Dec 2016 #14
uponit7771 Dec 2016 #13

Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:46 PM

1. Exactly.

We MUST repair it. Doing so will take huge efforts, largely 'political,' that is, those supporting integrity must be prepared to confront the 'no-integrity' crowd that's been in control since at least bush/rover.

One of the Dems running for chair may have mentioned it, at meeting among the several recently. Not sure which one it was.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:50 PM

2. In a sane country, California gives HRC the victory

 

But the EC says our votes have only a fraction of the value of those from Wyoming, Idaho, Alaska, and the Dakotas, so it wasn't enough.

This systematic undervaluing of our votes is unconstitutional IMO.

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Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:00 PM

3. I agree, the EC is unconstitutional... what ever happened to one person, one vote?!?!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:06 PM

8. Except that it is Constitutional...

it's kind of written in the text there.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:50 PM

10. Bwahahahaha!

That was classic... not trying to get a dig in at the previous poster, but that was just too easy...

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Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:54 PM

11. It might be undemocratic, but it's constitutional...

Until we can either pass an amendment to eliminate it or get a constitutional convention convened and eliminate via that route (then again, a whole new can of worms might be opened...).

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:07 PM

4. Duh.

How'd they figure?

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:23 PM

5. no shit

is an understatement.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:29 PM

6. E.c.

 

Don't expect the electoral college to go away any time soon.... we'll over two hundred years. It ain't goin nowhere...

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Response to Drumron (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:45 PM

7. National popular vote

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

And if you are a Trumpster FO

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Response to pbmus (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:26 PM

9. Nope...

 

Not a trumpster. , more of a Bernie guy.

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Response to pbmus (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 09:48 AM

12. The Compact will be found unconstitutional

 

Congress must approve all binding compacts between states.

Only solution is to increase the size of the House (no constitutional amendment needed) and thus the number of EV'S and then distribute them in a fair way so that a California POTUS vote has rought the same EC power as a Wyoming vote for POTUS.

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Response to Drumron (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 11:06 PM

14. In early 1860, the Confederate states sent representatives to Montgomery, Alabama

to form the Confederate government and write a Constitution.

Committees and sub-committees were formed to recommend Constitutional articles. Most committees were made up of veteran government officials, everything from former Supreme Court Justices to governors to senators.

The committee on the presidency recommended some changes. They included the line item veto. They made the President's term six years with only one term allowed. As far as how to elect the President, they went round and round and in the end, ended up keeping the electoral college which was a surprise because going in, it was assumed it would be done away with. They just couldn't come up with a different system that would have the support of the big states like Georgia and the small states like Florida and Texas.

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Response to pbmus (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 10:52 PM

13. +1

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