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Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:26 PM

 

David Brock apologizes for the way he treated Bernie in the Campaign!

David Brock apologizes for the way he treated Bernie in the Campaign -- his admitted internet trolls did their job but at this point, Bernie and Brock should join sides.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/10/clinton-warrior-david-brock-offers-an-apology-and-his-allegiance-to-bernie-sanders/?utm_term=.17b9f7e0184a

Andy reactions to Brock's apology and willingness to work with Bernie?

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:29 PM

1. David Brock is such a joke.

Last edited Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:12 PM - Edit history (1)

His entire life seems to be one apology after another for past transgressions.

I'd be a lot happier if he went to work for Trump ... considering his track record.

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Response to earthside (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:18 PM

81. Too little, too late... fuck Brock!

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:36 PM

2. Who cares about Brock?

Too little, too late. Bernie doesn't need his underhanded bs. What about all the damage he did with that bullshit Bernie-bro meme?

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Response to dogman (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:45 PM

6. I agree with you -- I didn't see much of that Bernie-Bro nonsense.

 

In the 2008 election, Obama's campaign faced the charge of there being "Obama bros" wanting to defeat Obama.

See: http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-bros-obama-boys-echoes-2008-medias-clinton-sanders-pundit-clash-2300707

And: http://observer.com/2016/02/hillary-backers-dissing-obama-boys-and-bernie-bros-hurts-feminism/

I am pretty sure that David Brock played a large role in the Bernie-Bros "controversy."

Kind of reminds me of the stories later told about Vietnam vets being spit upon when they returned from Vietnam, and there is no evidence that this happened at all, much less happened widely --
e.g., see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image

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Response to Akamai (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:54 PM

12. Really? You must not have logged onto the internet then. It was a tidal wave of insults, attacks

 

and attacks on anyone who dared to support anyone but Sanders.

How you can peddle such a blatant falsehood while sporting a Hillary Clinton avatar is beyond me.

But you can't re-write history.

Here's a few links to REAL news confirming REALITY:


From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html

The Bernie Bros are out in full force harassing female reporters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/07/the-bernie-bros-are-out-in-full-force-harassing-female-reporters/?utm_term=.6bc2bfdb3475

Bernie Bros out of control: Explosion of misogynist rage at Nevada’s Dem chairwoman reflects terribly on Sanders’ dwindling campaign
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/17/bernie_bros_out_of_control_explosion_of_misogynist_rage_at_nevadas_dem_chairwoman_reflects_terribly_on_sanders_dwindling_campaign/

Superdelegates Who Back Clinton Reporting Harassment, Threats From Sanders Supporters
http://www.mediaite.com/online/superdelegates-who-back-clinton-reporting-harassment-threats-from-sanders-supporters/

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:00 PM

51. How about their treatment of John Lewis?

Even here, it was simply awful.

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Response to mcar (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:03 PM

88. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that

It was disgusting.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #88)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:19 PM

89. That people who say they are progressive

would so casually dismiss and deride a man who is one of the, if not the, greatest American alive still boggles my mind.

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Response to mcar (Reply #89)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:03 PM

92. But he endorsed Hillary, so he's a sellout.

Of course, Bernie also endorsed Hillary, but that's different . . .

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #92)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:57 AM

133. You're making my head hurt.

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Response to mcar (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:59 AM

134. While i dont condone negative or disrespectful attacks on people.

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The Lewis/ Sanders controversery left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of Sanders supporters.

I mean no negativity towards the honorable Congressman Lewis, I'm just mentioning some of the details.

At the heart of the issue was the facts that Bernie was president of the campus chapter of the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) at the University of Chicago during the early 60's and he was involved in the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), of which John Lewis was chairman. As we know. Bernie was involved in numerous civil right activities in Chicago and was even arrested for his efforts.

What rankled some feathers was that in Congressman Lewis's endorsement of Hillary with and for the CBC, which btw was given from DNC head quarters on Capital Hill, he claimed that he never met Sanders during that period (which I don't question) and that (implied) he had met both Bill and Hillary.during that period. A statement that he, at a later date, walked back. He never officially met Bill until 1991 and while its ancient history snd irrelevent, Hillary was a Goldwater girl in 1964. The Congressman did say that he had heard of theit efforts during the 70's and 80's.
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Here is an article about that endorsement that even has a video of Congressman Lewis making his statement.

http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/john-lewis-bernie-sanders-civil-rights.

Here is another link (please pardon the source but I'm on my cellphone the facts are accurate ) that have Congressman Lewis, at a later date clarifying his remarks that he made at tbe time if the endorsement

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/13/john-lewis-congressional-black-caucus-bernie-sanders-civil-rights-movement

So couple this with this with the whole Jonathon Capehart "that is not Bernie Sanders in the photograph" saga that seems to be well detailed here
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/the-jonathan-capehart-saga-or-why-progressives-hav.html

And you might understand why some Sanders supporters were very pissed off about these efforts to erase Bernies involvement in the Civil Rights movement.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #134)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 09:07 AM

135. Lewis had nothing to do with Capehart

There were lots of people protesting back in the day. He misspoke about meeting the Clinton's earlier than he did. The "Hillary was a Goldwater Girl" trope was a tired, meaningless but near constant attack on HRC by Sanders supporters that is even more tired and meaningless now.

I take your point, I really do. But during the primary (and even now for some), Sanders supporters attacked Hillary and her supporters mercilessly. They also complained loudly and vociferously when anyone ventured even the slightest criticism of Bernie. It got old.

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Response to mcar (Reply #135)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 11:14 AM

136. I'm a life long democrst who supported Hillary to the bitter end in 2008.

In fact i probsbly never gave it up. I think that she was screwed by the psrty nachine in 2008.

However. I found Sanders to be the better choice for me this time. You shouldnt generalize about Sanders supporters. 99.9 Percent of us are not BernieBros which i think is mostly myth anyway. He had and has a huge following of many very decent people. I'm not a very active politically but i did attend the Sanders rally in Portland, Oregon. I took the train, something that i rarely do to get there and met some very interesting people going to/from and at the event. There were 20k people inside and another 8k outside.
I won't go on, but I'll say that Bernie brimgs a lot of passion and positive energy into the game.



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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 07:22 PM

142. there were a lot of putin trolls pretending to be bernie supporters

but brock really didn't have an impact

the real fuck up was the left's continued ignorance of talk radio

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:36 PM

150. IT was ridiculous

 

Bernie Bros attacked Hillary with Republican talking points. Not only Hillary but DWS was constantly attacked. If anyone deserves an apology It would be DWS

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Response to Akamai (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:55 PM

14. Of course he did. He did what any GOP mole would do and it worked.

 

But people drank his cool-aid, so it is all good etc..

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Response to dogman (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:49 PM

10. The Bernie Bro FACT was illustrated here on DU daily. I could post many, many links to people

 

who were on the receiving end of the vile attacks, threats coming from Sanders supporters.

Don't you DARE try and re-write history on DU.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:56 PM

16. Are you SURE that Brock and company aren't responsible for most or all of that?

 

Don't you DARE be ignorant about what you do know and also about what you don't know.

In addition to Brock's trolls, Republican trolls were also playing in our sandbox.

As has been said, "It's not what we don't know that's going to get us, it's what we know that just ain't so."

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Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:32 PM

23. I've been called a Bernie bro by long time DUers. People who had been here since 2001

 

Not trolls.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:34 PM

24. Would you consider yourself a "Bernie Bro" or do you think that a gratuitous insult?

 

or something in between?

I sure was a Bernie supporter before I was a Hillary devotee.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:39 PM

29. "Bernie Bro" is used as an ignorant insult.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:44 PM

33. Yup! simple alliterative insult with no need for proof!

 

There is an adage in arguing that says we should argue to the words, and not to the person.

That is, steer clear of ad hominem attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:22 AM

129. No question about it!

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:46 PM

34. More bs.

I posted a question to an OP and was immediately banned from the HRC group. I hadn't even noticed the post was in that forum, I was just asking the poster what was Hillary's solution for the uninsured. But I am a man so pipe in the Bernie bro bull. You have actually verified these Bernie bros exist? This is Brock's methodology, create a meme and then reinforce it with unsubstantiated claims like yours.

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Response to dogman (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:00 PM

39. I too recall making an innocuous post and being banned as a result of that. Sure seemed

 

to me an incredibly overly sensitive OP.

I, as you, did not know that I was posting to someone in the HRC group, but even though I complained out it, I was told the forums were controlled by the OPs and they could manage the forum as they wanted.

I am pretty thick-skinned, but I was irritated by that.

Still I whole-heartedly endorsed Hillary.

Maybe it's like the person praising Christianity who says, "I really like Christ but have problems with some of his followers."

I don't think that Hillary herself was that overly sensitive.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:58 PM

56. I pointed out a misleading comment about PP, that echoed RW and anti-Choice talking points

 

and was blocked from the BS group, and I'm still blocked. There sure is a lot of over sensitivity going on still.

I was pretty irritated by that, especially since I had no means to appeal. The fact that the BS group is still engaging in those blocks and the divisive nature of what goes on in that group speaks volumes.

Also, the people trolling on DU, were indeed in full out war mode on anyone who dared to criticize Bernie, not matter how legitimate the criticism, people were attacked, silenced, and called Brock employees. At the same time, people who were actively engaging in and crowing about being divisive trolls from other sites, were gleefully being cheered on, as long as the abuse was towards HRC. RW sites were used often, familiar talking points and a whole lot of hypersensitivity and abuse.

Bernie and his campaign were that overly sensitive and the grudge they're holding is not very well hidden.

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Response to synergie (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:13 PM

57. Almost certainly people on all sides are too sensitive. Sure is unfortunate to narrow the issues presented.

 

Personal attacks are certainly inappropriate, but a range of views are necessary.

Some of my posts have been removed for personal attacks, and in retrospect, I agree with the Democratic Underground judgments on this.

I never thought that there might be a BS group. Lots of stuff I know nothing about.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:29 PM

78. There were no personal attacks in my posts, there were in the

 

ones that attacked me and were allowed to stand, but the Bernie Sanders things were not personal attacks, but any thing that was not fawning was considered an "attack".

I was "banned" for pointing out that the attacks on PP when they chose another candidate over theirs were not factually based, were belied by the article presented and were very much the same things that the anti-choicers were saying.

Both siderism in this is rather unhelpful. A range of views is fine, abuse is not, especially when it's site wide and invades areas that are supposed to be discussion of democrats. Mine were not abusive, and despite the baiting and personal abuse by certain actors, my responses were not either, neither at the time, nor in retrospect.

Only one side was silencing the other.

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Response to synergie (Reply #78)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:24 PM

82. Just tells me Bernie was right on most progressive issues... debate not allowed... nope, can't have that!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #82)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:39 AM

112. So silencing people was how debate was "allowed" and that he was "right"?

 

Interesting. Too bad his supporters had such a hard time handling debate, preferring instead to silence progressives, for daring to question why regressive positions were acceptable to attack Progressives and progressive causes. If Bernie was so right, why not allow debate, why silence progressives who asked simple questions?

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Response to synergie (Reply #112)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:01 AM

128. Agree... just saying the principles you espouse should apply to both sides of the debate.

Would like to think most reasonable progressives are in the same camp.

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Response to synergie (Reply #78)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:41 PM

86. What is PP? Don't know what that refers to.

 

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Response to Akamai (Reply #86)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 02:48 AM

100. Planned Parenthood

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Response to synergie (Reply #56)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 02:45 AM

99. Reading this thread shows who is really carrying a grudge...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #99)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:33 AM

104. Me too. The ones holding the grudge are the ones who know they fucked up big time

 

And they know they will never get another opportunity to fuck democrats over. Democrats are never going to let another angry independent run on our team. Plus him losing so badly really kills them

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Response to bravenak (Reply #104)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:18 AM

105. Lol. The projection is so blatant, it'd be hillarious if we weren't faced with the fact trump is ta

office!

In reality, the most you get out of bernie supporters are claims that he would have beaten trump in the general election. Seeing as the vast majority of that camp went on to actually campaign for and vote for hillary, it seems they "got over it", and fairly quickly.

Meanwhile, there's a little cadre of people literally incapable of admitting that hillary bears any responsibility whatsoever for losing to the biggest shitheel to ever run for president in american history. The result is a lot of projection, cognitive dissonance, and playing an entire deck of victim cards. EVERY DAMN DAY.

Half the country hates women (including the women who didn't vote for hillary.

Half the country is racist.

It's Comeys fault... no, it's Putins fault!

No wait, Hillary actually won, because she did absolutely nothing wrong during the campaign, she got the most votes, but they were switched!

NO, IT'S TEH BERNIE AND TEH FAR LEFT11!!1

See, at the same time, the most hatred is reserved for, not republicans, but the fellow democratic candidate in the race that you claim sucked so much he had no support, yet somehow caused her loss (despite claiming she actually won, but the votes were stolen).

Quite the cognitive dissonance going there.

Sure, i voted for bernie, i was (note the tense) bummed out that he lost. Actually i'm way more bummed out that hillary lost, because now we have president douchebag about to take office.

Maybe someday you'll realize that it's petty and unhealthy to relive the primary on a daily basis. Probably not. You end up working yourself all up on a daily basis blaming this and that for losing, but mostly ranting about bernie.

It's pretty clear by now that in your eyes, no matter what, hillary didn't make any mistakes in her campaign and was perfect, but got robbed. She lost because people hate women and are racist, while at the same time she actually really did win. Which is cool, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

But let's be honest about who can't let the shit go amd who is bothered the most and why.

As far as bernie people carrying a grudge, ha! Evn the most ardent supporter knew bernie was an extreme longshot to beat hillary, no matter how much we may think he could have beat trump in the general. He was expected to pull down kucinich- like numbers and quickly be vanquished. Instead, he won several states, brought old school FDR views back to the forefront of discussion, and interested a bunch of young people in politics. To a lot of us, there's nothing to be bitter or hold a grudge about, he far exceeded expectations!

I shouldn't help keep it going by posting in any of these threads, but the blame dodging and projection and navel gazing here is annoying as hell and i can't help myself from commenting on it. I've never seen anything like it, it makes the OG PUMAS look tame!

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Response to dionysus (Reply #105)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:54 AM

113. In reality, we did see a lot of misogyny from both the right and the left.

 

This insistence that calling out what plainly happened, and all the evidence that is coming out every day that proves that yeah, it wasn't her 'perfection' that was at issue here, but other factors.

Yeah, let's be honest about who can't let their shit go, who continue to bash Democrats, the party, the candidate, insisting that a guy who couldn't win Dems could win the country, who couldn't stand being a Dem despite pledging to, yet who demands his way for the party at every turn.

His supporters do carry a grudge, and honesty compels you to admit that. He brought young people out to rally, but couldn't convince them to register, to come out and vote, not even against Trump. He told them the process was rigged, he misinformed them about how politics works, he alienated an entire generation and blindly let his people be ratfcked by online miscreants into dividing the party and the left. To a lot people, they're quite bitter and still attacking away, since their "expectations" were ridiculously unrealistic.

The blame dodging, projection and navel gazing is indeed annoying, and frankly I"m getting tired of this nonsense. She, like pretty much every politician out there failed to run a perfect campaign, but somehow that's something that only she was ever expected to do. Despite winning the majority of votes, despite overcoming a failed media, Russian interference, RW interference and attacks from the Left that were indistinguishable from the ones coming at her from the right she still won an historic number of votes.

She literally by razor thin margins in states where votes were not counted, where people were literally writing in a candidate that was ineligible while leaving the rest blank (saw this first hand in MI) and voting for 3rd parties based on BS they heard during the primaries and were dumb enough to believe, because they didn't do their homework. They were told stuff was rigged, they didn't realize that the people rigging it were the GOP and not the DNC as they were told. I've never seen anything like this either, and I'm getting tired of the stupidity, even as more and more facts come out about who was lying to these gullible fools and manipulating their ignorance for the sole purpose of division.

The purity left is still oozing RW nonsense about Hillary, while they ignore Trump (who they claimed we deserved for not voting for their chosen candidate), despite all the stuff that is coming out. They don't care about the voter suppression, CrossCheck, counting votes etc. the ACTUAL rigging that happened, it's all about trying to wrest control of a party they were never a part of, were quite vocal about never being a part of, and which won't cater to their ignorance and entitlement.

The party is not un-unified, but the elements who had been proudly proclaiming how they're not party of the party are joining in a unified chorus with the RWers, yet again. Enough already.

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Response to synergie (Reply #113)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:08 AM

117. On cue you just reiterated everything i mentioned. As it will be ad nauseum.

Case in point.

By the way, no one expected her to run a perfect campaign. She managed to throw it away to a carnival barker. Needed advice was ignored...

Again you repeat falsehoods of largespread 3rd party voting or staying home.

But hey, you can explain it all away exactly as i described you would, you even doubled down on it.

Denial and projection, WTG.


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Response to dionysus (Reply #117)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:27 PM

138. Yes, I pointed out how you were wrong and explained why.

 

Actually, that is exactly why you excoriate her, while rejecting the simp,e fact that she did not throw anything away. It's like facts don't matter, or reality, nothing matters, just more attacking her falsely while ignoring what actually happened here.

Again, I spread facts, that you seem to be struggling with, it is literally what happened. You ignore reality and facts because you refuse to accept what actually went on here.

Sure, you claimed that reality does not matter and facts are irrelevant, and I pointed out that they were not, as I said, rejecting reality, proven facts and admitting how the so called left were manipulated, as you continue on with the divisive, bitter recriminations as you Demi strata your own projection and denial.

I am sorry facts are so hard, and you simp,y cannot accept that we did warn you, as you attacked us, silenced us, and preached to us about how your purity trumped facts.

Seems like you still insist on engaging in that bitter divisive attacks that led to the reality that many voted for a party they know squat about, or stayed home, or threw away their vote with ridiculous antics, I witnessed personally, and which is apparent in the posts here, the stats and the common sense. It's almost like you just refuse to accept what people here and at the other site have been loudly proclaiming.

Rejecting reality won't change it, and projections your own behavior won't erase it's true source.

You messed up, you were hoodwinked, accept it and move on.

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Response to synergie (Reply #138)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:45 PM

140. Lol, hoookay... play that deck of victim cards, put words in my mouth i never said, and above all,

double down on your victimhood, then declare victory, and move on, i mean... keep obsessing about about stuff.

I never excoriated your hero, i've said many times she'd have been a fine president. You're so deep into it you're lashing out blindly, confusing me for someone else, as you're claiming a ton of ahit i never said

But thank you for illustrating my point.

Not only did you you repeat, for the 1000th time now, the exact rant i said you would, you doubled down on it.

Proceed.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #105)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:57 AM

114. I'm farther to the left than Bernie, but I do not castigate my peers that I count on to have my back

 

See, I do not expect anybody to see the world through my eyes and I also do not think my way of thinking is the only way or the best way. I am ideologically closer to Bernie thn I am to Hillary. I was certainly rooting for him until Netroots. My thing is this; to him, and his supporters, ideology matters more and he matters most. Regardless of what happened at netroots, I had hoped he would use that experience as a tool to learn how to build a coalition.

I, for one, am not comfortable with supporting people or movements that will stamp all over my personal heroes like John Lewis and Delores Huerta. I am an african american latina. To know that a movement that is supposedly left will call people who almost DIED for MY RIGHTS sellouts and uncle toms is fucking offensive. When has Bernie or any of them EVER almost DIED for my right to vote and organize? Never. Respect. They have none.

Respect is the issue. No matter how great ones ideas are, they must still know how to connect with wide swathes of the democratic party in order to achieve any goals set forth in our platform, without completely offending more than half of a particular group. If latinos and african americans and women age thirty five and older feel disrespected and mistreated, nothing will be accomplished. Just like people get personally offended when we call Bernie and themselves out on their tonedeafness, we also have the right to be offended when he calls our party corrupt and out of touch; not only is he wrong, but he is also hypocritical. He calls us out of touch when he failed to touch or connect with the minorities in the democratic party. And no, I am not calling him racist. I am saying he failed to connect and never fixed it.

The fact that minorities, gays, women older than thirty five and many others, to the tune of four million surplus votes, choose somebody who he thinks is out of touch and his supporters think was unable to foment enthusiam, should be a wake up call to the progressive left. If she was such a failure, what does it say that he could not even get close to the numbers SHE pulled in?

I know many think that us blacks and mexicans and gays and old ass ladies of thirty five an older do not matter, and that we would have fallen in line if the nomination had gotten pulled from her and given to him even though she won by four million votes. But they are wrong. If he could not connct with us in the primary, why the hell would we give a damn what he says now after how nasty the bob movement has treated us and our heroes? Like what? Abusing us and treating us like shit because she lost my winning three million more votes than the winner is somehow going to make Bernie MORE appealing? Politicians have to forgive and forget. They must work together. We regular people often will hold a grudg over the smallest things. And this was no small thing.


Until I see some acknowledgement from his side that the treatment of african american and latinos was wrong and will never be repeated, and that we are not going to have a bunch of white upper middle class progressive men and women calling Black and latino civil rights legends sell outs and niggers and wetbacks if they do not choose him, then I will continue to despise everthing he says he stands for and him too. I lost my respect and trust for the progressive left this cycle and my side-with page says 'YOU SIDE WITH JILL STEIN!'. If I, a pretty much radical leftist marxist am pissed off and anti BS, then there is a fucking problem that ignoring my calls and the calls of others will not fix by simply blaming Hillary or ignoring it, or blaming David Brock or pretending Berniebros is a myth.

Why do you think he could not get Corey Booker to sit down and come to an agreement on an amendment? Respect. He has none for us. He showboated to get attention to his pet issue, and completely forgot that he needed votes way more than he needed praise from his following. They will praise him no matter what so he wasted his time and let the amendment fail because he decided to finger point and play 'look at me' rather than sitting down with dems to COMPROMISE. He could have added drug protections and gotten it passed. We may only be 13% of the population but we fucking vote and are reliable voters unlike white men when it comes to democratic politics. And we are tired of hearing him tell us our color dont matter and political correctness is bad and that we use identity politics and that sucks too. Everything he says sounds like a snipe against us 'identity groups' that are harmed when political correctness gets thrown out and whose color ACTUALLY DOES MATTER AND AFFECTS OUR VOTES.
And we got threatened with Trump about Billion times this cycle. Well, they promised us that if we chose her then we would get Donald. (I actually bookmarked some from some of du's long time progressive members.) Nothing else they can threaten us with from here on, they got what they wanted. If they force their guy on us next time we will get the same result.

You do not see Hillary supporters trying to pump he up and push he on any of you anymore. So why do we have to get the peron she beat so badly pushed on us? If they want the primary to end, they have to stop campaigning. We are already done. Just waiting for you guys and responsing to spurious shit and letting y'all know he ain't never gonna happen.

Now, I hated hllary until bernie refused the call of the african americans who called on him to reject that bullshit. Sure, I hold a fucking grudge. But it aint about losing. I'm black. I'm used to losing. It's about being let down by the latent racism of the progressive left. It hurt my feelings to be called niggers by supposed leftists and to b told that something was wrong with me for being pissed about it. That it was just trolls so stfu. That I hated Bernie becaus I opposed people calling John Lewis niggers and sell outs and uncle toms on his facebook page. For rejecting the idea that Bernie's contributions to civil rights mattered more than the contributions of black people because he personally did not HAVE TO do anything.

Maybe, I'm mad because I should be mad. Maybe he should listen. Maybe you should too I
and you should spread the message that that shit was the real issue that killed the progressive movement and prevented it from spreading outside of the white liberal college educated enclaves. That folk like me who are educated are the ones you need to convince gecause we convince those who have less time to spend thinking about politics. Maybe I'm mad because I so fucking wanted you guys to convince us to convince them because my community is RIPE for change and the mark was missed. And that being right does not matter more than being human. We are humans. And his policy ideas were awesome. He and his messengers were horrible at delivering the message because they were so self righteous that they cared not who they offended on their way to 'victory'. In order to end the war both side have to stop CAMPAIGNING. We are done. It's his sides turn to stop campaigning and doing the 'he woulda beat Trump' shit. Maybe you should post on those threads and tell them to cut it out like you have done here with me. I know I posted to you first. But it would help.

You know what I want? A new leader who is not Bernie or Hillary. I would support everything wants legislatively if his name was not attached. I am as tired of Him as his supporters are of Her.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #114)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:40 AM

120. You've been manipulated if you, for a second, believe any liberal would call ppl "niggers, spics, or

Wetbacks"; that's the antithesis of liberalism. People who say shit like that are scum, i'd be tremendously hurt by it too. But i call bullshit if that's the portrayal of bernie supporters, or liberals or democrats, in any number. Because racism is anti-liberal. Do you think there is a ton of nasty, closet racism among liberals? FACEBOOK comments are often an open sewer, i base my discussion upon what i've seen on DU and people i know.

There are totally agitators ginning up a divide, because liberals just don't do that. Rethuglicans, yes.

It's a valid opinion to feel bernie did not address civil rigjts as much as you need, enough to where itm'd say its a valid critique, but i'd say it's a massive leap to claim bernie doesn't respect POC or John Lewis.

The Lewis stuff reeks of ratfuckers manufacturing a divide, to the point where Lewis himself jumped in and was dismissive of Bernie participating in civil rights activities back in the day. That's classic outsider intervention seeking to divide. I guess it worked for them well. Because nobody i know who is liberal would say ANYTHING like that.

I'm terribly sorry for hurtful nasty shit you've seen, but again, unless there's a whole shit ton of closet liberal racists, i'm looking at rat fucking orconservative agitators being the source of such gutter trash talk.

I havent slept tonight yet and i'm exhausted, i'll read your post again after i sleep and i can barely see the tiny keyboard on this phone right now.

I pretty much agree with your last paragraph. However, just because i didnt support hillary from the jump, i think she would have been a fine president, i dont want her to dissappear or slink off or whatever, at all. I'll stand by my opinion that real progressives and liberals who voted bernie in the primary feel the same way as i do, and the vast majority did indeed vkte for hwr when it mattered, without issue.

Good night, morning, or whatever you call it right now. Im pooped.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #120)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:44 AM

123. Goodnight

 

I'll show you when you have time. Had he not been called sell outs by some of du'd strongest progressives and an uncle tom right here on du, I would agree with the rat fucking idea. Sad thing is i recognized a few of those facebook names as duers who I trust are not republican trolls. They were here too long promoting leftist priniples. See ya when you get some rest

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Response to dionysus (Reply #99)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:37 AM

111. Reading many of the threads in the past months show it to be the same side that

 

still has many people blocked, and which continues to hurl the abuse.

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Response to dogman (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:02 PM

70. Bernie Bro didn't come from Brock.



Here Comes the Berniebro

Look, there is a systemic crisis occurring. On Facebook.
Robinson Meyer Oct 17, 2015

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/here-comes-the-berniebro-bernie-sanders/411070/

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Response to seaglass (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:16 PM

74. So Brock's Superpac didn't push the meme?

They gobbled it up and regurgitated it ad nauseam. Why is he apologizing and your still defending it?

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Response to dogman (Reply #74)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:18 AM

118. I pushed it because It was not a meme

 

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I got letters in my damn mailbox from bros and was told I sent them to myself. That's how delusional the conspiracy theories got in order to pretend that nothing was wrong and that we were all lying. Brock is apologizing because he wants to work with Bernie opposing Trump. He did not say bros were imaginary

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Response to dogman (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:22 PM

76. I got banned from the Sanders forum for a comment that didn't even mention him

and that I posted by accident (it was linked from a different thread).

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Response to LisaM (Reply #76)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:29 PM

79. It was easy when the HRC group banned me, I didn't make that mistake again.

I posted in the BS group as a guest apparently, I never joined and was never banned. The HRC members posted that I had violated their sanctuary, when my ban was lifted I had no desire to post lest I step on the flowers.

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Response to dogman (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:52 PM

49. For some reason, far lefties have some sort of obsession with him. It's kind of funny.

There are tons of crazy David Brock conspiracy theories going around, like Brock is somehow controlling everything from behind the scenes. The term "Bernie Bro", for example, was first used by a writer for The Atlantic, to refer to angry white male Bernie supporters who were trolling social media with anti-Hillary memes. Brock had nothing to do with it, and yet far lefties want to blame it and everything else on Brock.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:29 PM

60. Brock ran a superpac funding anti-Bernie propaganda.

I actually don't blame Brock as much as his donors and devotees on the internet.

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Response to dogman (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:40 PM

62. Bernie and his fans did more than their fair share of smearing and propagandizing.

Brock was a small player. I don't get the obsession with him in far-left circles. Still, Brock is right, we need to team up now to fight Trump. It would be nice if some Bernie allies would apologize for damaging Hillary and helping Trump become president.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #62)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:42 PM

64. SOS, you're here telling me Brock is innocent when the OP is about his apology.

Even he admits it!

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Response to dogman (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:44 PM

65. I think it's good that people previously at odds come together to fight Trump.

I just wish the Bernie brigade would be as graceful as Brock and offer an apology of their own for their role in helping Trump become president.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:51 PM

66. Their only role in that was losing the Primary.

I am not really as concerned about Trump as I am the GOP led Congress. If Pence replaces Trump we are still lost. We need a renewed Democratic Party, not support for failed hacks. We need to defeat the GOP and also help the American people.

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Response to dogman (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:57 PM

68. Not the people booing at the convention. They were Trump allies, witting or not.

Bernie allies, helping Trump become president. And Bernie himself, refusing to concede for a month at least after he was eliminated, played a big role.

I agree, we don't need failed hacks to run the Democratic party. But we probably disagree on who qualifies as a "failed hack".

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Response to DanTex (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:24 PM

77. A failed hack is someone who lost to Trump because of their insistence that they are correct.

Who are you going to blame next? The Clinton campaign failed to attract their base. Bernie helped expand their base. Whomever worked for the campaign and missed this, lost the election. He/She/They were hack. They collected pay and did not deliver. People booed because of the failure of the democratic process in the Democratic Party.

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Response to dogman (Reply #77)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:34 PM

80. How about the team that lost to Clinton by double digits? Are they failed hacks?

There was no problem with the democratic process of the Democratic party. The voters preferred Hillary to Bernie by a huge margin.

The idiots booing at the convention were Trump stooges. They aren't the "base."

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Response to DanTex (Reply #80)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:43 PM

93. "There was no problem with the democratic process of the Democratic party."?

Then you don't believe all votes should be equal? You haven't failed when you've run a valiant campaign with the resources at hand. There really is such a thing as an underdog. The "huge margin" is actually a Trumpism, Individual votes are not even recorded in some caucus states. But even if I were to believe the "huge margin", it would be even more indicative of the huge failure of the Clinton campaign and it's proxies. From my viewpoint it was the Corporate Dems and their control of the party apparatus and pushed a candidate with high negatives, the people be damned. Well they won, the people are likely damned now.

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Response to dogman (Reply #93)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:50 PM

94. What are you talking about? Of course all votes should be equal.

No matter how you calculate the primary results, Bernie got crushed. Destroyed. If it weren't for undemocratic caucuses, he would have lost by even more. But no matter, even with the undemocratic caucuses, he still got demolished.

Why is it that when Bernie gets stomped, it's a "valiant campaign", but when Hillary, despite the FBI and Russia and decades of GOP attacks, wins the popular vote by 2% but gets robbed of the presidency by the antiquated and undemocratic electoral college, it's a "huge failure"?

Hmm...

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Response to DanTex (Reply #94)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 12:27 AM

98. The delegate system isn't much different than the electoral college, that's what I'm talking about.

A delegate from one state is not equal to a delegate from another state. Super delegates get the same vote as anyone plus a vote equivalent to a number of voters. A caucus is obviously democratic. People attend and vote, unfortunately Party leaders in some states seemed to subvert the will of the attendees through lies and deception. The same kinds of chicanery took place in non-caucus states also. Republicans were not the only ones trying to restrict voter access.

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Response to dogman (Reply #98)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:57 AM

124. However you want to add up the numbers, Hillary won the primary by a landslide.

Popular vote, delegates, whatever. True, superdelegates are undemocratic, but they didn't decide the primary, because Hillary won the majority of pledged delegates. In fact, the irony is that at the end, rather than concede, Bernie tried to persuade the superdelegates to overturn the will of the voters.

Caucuses are undemocratic because they make it very difficult for people to participate. Another irony is that progressives generally try to make it easier for people to vote, and yet because of the fact that Bernie did better in caucuses than primaries, you suddenly had people trying to defend the caucus system.

And, no, party leaders didn't "subvert the will of attendees through lies and deception". That's way out in conspiracy theory land.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #94)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:31 AM

103. You sound upset that hillary got destroyed, crushed, stomped, by the biggest clown in presidential

history. It seems that getting figuratively curb stomped by such a joke, the most unqualified candidate ever to run, makes you very mad.

So you need to soothe the pain of the "inevitable" candidate getting their ass kicked by a fraudelent, knuckle dragging simpleton.

When your candidate joins the ranks of ben carson, cruz, Jeb!, rubio, and others who also lost to a shitgibbon, it seems you must lash out and bitterly blame her primary opponent. It must be embarrassing to be beaten by such a joke. Gotta suck.

And while you're so fervently proclaiming bernie's loserdom and lack of support, you're also claiming (although you don't realize it) that our candidate's support was so weak amongst her own party that this tiny little band of voters caused her to get "demolished" by a comb-overed douche...

That's not giving that much credit, dude...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #103)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:40 AM

121. Of course I'm upset that Trump won. What sane person isn't?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #121)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:43 AM

122. Not saying you arent, im saying a lot of folks seem to be spending as much, if not more, energy

Refighting the primary as they are going after trump

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Response to dionysus (Reply #122)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 07:09 AM

125. True. For example, the people bashing David Brock right here.

Brock is offering an apology to Bernie and saying he wants to team up against Trump. Wanting to let bygones be bygones to focus on the future. This is a good thing.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #125)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 10:14 PM

144. Brock was a scumbag before the primary and he's a scumbag after the primary.

The only difference is who is paying the freight.

A guy I worked for years ago fired a salesman he caught stealing. A couple years later he hired him back. I asked my boss if he had lost his mind. My boss said "now I know what I'm dealing with I know to watch him"

Ratfuckers who call women like Anita Hill "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" have no business anywhere near a decent campaign.


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Response to DanTex (Reply #94)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:50 AM

109. Because..

agenda. Facts be damned.

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Response to dogman (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:26 PM

83. Seriously... maybe Bernie MADE Brock do it! haha!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:33 PM

61. Yeah... except that article was dodgy

The author cited three posts and two of them weren't even written by Bernie supporters. It was nonsense.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:41 PM

63. Dodgy or not, it had nothing to do with David Brock.

Personally I thought that the term captured a certain contingent of the anti-Hillary brigade very well.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #49)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:58 AM

115. +1

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:36 PM

3. Will Brock be apologizing to the Democratic Party also? eom

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:41 PM

4. Brock has worn out his usefulness, watch him slither back into the GOP ranks.

 

Never trust a GOP plant.

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Response to Rex (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:48 PM

8. He's written several illuminating books. But you go ahead and continue with the scapegoating.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:49 PM

9. See what your trust in a GOP plant got us?

 

Way to go.

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Response to Rex (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:55 PM

13. What are you blathering about? And I bet you never bothered to even read any of Brock's books.

 

If you've got nothing intelligent to say, best to just keep out of the discussion.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:31 PM

43. Yeah, he's written several illuminating books on how what an absolute scumbag he is.

He should fuck off back to his website and not be within a hundred miles of any Democratic campaign. Let him continue to do penance at Media Matters.


I'm pretty sure his scumbaggery played a big role in our defeat. The guy is a charter member of the Clinton smear machine. Everyone talks about the 25 year smear effort against HRC but now we should do business with patient zero?

The guy is a rat fucker who I'm sure was instrumental in suppressing turnout on our side. I mean, what could possibly go wrong by making the entire primary about smearing the opponents supporters? Then wonder why some stay home?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:46 PM

48. You're barking at the wrong tree. It would be Comey and the Russians collaborating with Russians...

 

and voter suppression.

But you go ahead a whack away at the boogie man.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:29 PM

84. You're being WAY to kind in your description of Brock! He helped give us that Cheetoh-faced Nazi... will never forgive him for that!

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:43 PM

5. Personally, I'm still waiting for an apology from

Sanders supporters who were openly cheering for an HRC loss...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:51 PM

11. You say Sanders supporters were "openly cheering" for HRC to lose? What proof

 

do you have of this?

I mean Trump has no support for his views that thousands of Muslims cheered in New Jersey for 9-11 but he still doesn't correct his story.

Where and how many people "openly cheered" for Hillary's loss?

I sure get tired of unproved allegations.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:56 PM

15. Just go to the JPR website. Or do some freaking simple internet searches on Sanders supporters who

 

stayed home.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:00 PM

20. what is JPR website? I'll check it out.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:35 PM

25. JPR was created by an alt-righter.

 

Many of its uses were right wingers posing as Bernie supporters in order to divide the left. Sadly it seems to have worked wonderfully.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:07 PM

41. I think I found the site but it sure seems uneven.

 

liberalnarb -- Your reaction to the site makes sense to me.

Sadly, as you say.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:33 PM

85. People will fall for anything... all the Bernie supporters I know follow his lead... decent and strong party loyalists.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #85)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:24 PM

90. Yup -- seems to me to be that way too. I sure as hell am! Enough of the criticism

 

of Bernie and Hillary I think. Although I supported Bernie, I thought Hillary was a fine, fine candidate.

I sure blame Comey, the asshat media (such as Les Moonves who said, "It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS...We are making SO MUCH MONEY!" and such useful tools as Andrea Mitchell and Maureen Dowd, etc. Certainly the racism of Trump's voters, their misogyny, their deep hatred of Obama, etc., contributed.

Also, the deep mistakes of Democratic pollsters...

Many things contributed to Hillary's loss and no important mistakes are her fault.

Go Hillary!

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:36 PM

26. By the way, of course many Bernie supporters were Independents and to expect them

 

to support Hillary may have been unreasonable. Although they were deeply stupid not to do so.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:41 PM

31. And there are pro Hillary sites that blame Obama for the loss.

The internet gives every moron a voice. What really matters is which voices you listen to.

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Response to Exilednight (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:45 PM

91. You could not have said it any better Exiled... bravo!

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Response to Akamai (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:58 PM

19. My proof? The hundreds of Sanders accounts who sniped me on Twitter

and I'm a nobody on Twitter... How's that for 'proof'? Do a search if you don't believe me.

If you want some big names, you can check some of the usual suspects like Fang, H.A. Goodman, Greenwald, Adam Johnson, Michael Tracey, Taibbi, RoseAnn DeMoro, Freddie de Boer, how many more do you want?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:02 PM

21. I'm not on twitter and those names are not well-known to me.

 

I do know it's easy to make accusations and then have others pile on as well.

And I do think I remember that DU itself banned a variety of posters because they seemed to be trolls.

I would think that one should not believe too deeply what one is sent on Twitter.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:37 PM

28. The internet is a place where all kinds of people let out their inner asshole.

 

Its easy to attack someone when you're looking at a screen and not looking at them in the face.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:46 PM

35. This I truly agree with. Godwin's Law predominates on unmoderated sites.

 

That's a good reason to keep this site moderated with good manners emphasized.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:56 PM

50. Me too. But I don't think we'll be getting that.

While we're talking about apologies, I'd like one from Bernie as well, for refusing to concede for a month (at least) after he was eliminated, and for riling up his supporters so much that they booed at the Democratic convention.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 11:51 PM

96. The most egregious thing was putting two Stein supporters on the DNC committee.

I mean. Really?

Clinton's camp bent over backwards. Really a disgrace.

A good deal of the issue was that Sanders took too long to embrace Clinton but that's a no no to be said around here since he's running some so called revolution now.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:55 PM

67. Professional mudslinger funded by big PACs vs some guy on Internet



Totally equivalent and worth mentioning here.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:09 PM

73. a lot of those "guys" were paid Russian trolls.

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:20 PM

75. Maybe so. Of course we probably had some of Brock's Correct the Record trolls.


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #67)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:46 AM

157. May not be equivalent, but it *IS* worth mentioning...

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:47 PM

7. LOL! They're holding their noses and using Bernie to prevent a Democratic version

 

of a Tea Party split.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:11 PM

22. Well, people supported Bernie because of the issues he focused on,

 

including focusing on climate change, dumping TPP, income inequality, single payer health plan, financial re-regulation, getting the money out of politics, etc., etc.

Those remain huge issues for most progressives, I believe, and I sure support Bernie's work on those issues.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:44 PM

32. yeah, just what we need: our own version of lunatics blinded by their ideology..

And the abuse from berniebros was very real..

Heck, most of the Clinton supporters I knew would hide the fact they were supporting HRC last year to avoid abuse.

I was accused of voting with my vagina and being a dumb "b-tch" and a "c-nt" - in fact, I was REGULARLY told I was a vagina voter.

I don't know why there's such a denial that RW memes were willingly spread by some Sanders supporters - both united in a glorious constellation of fkery, that false equivocations were made between Trump and Clinton - HELPED by these same supporters, and of course their behavior during the convention was proof enough.

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Response to JHan (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:50 PM

36. Where is your proof they weren't paid operatives.

We know Brock had a million dollar budget for this, and it's apparent Trump backers had more.

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Response to dogman (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:54 PM

37. No, they were not "paid"...

as far as I am aware.

These were people I know who were infected by hate , and Brock must be filthy rich because I saw these characters all over the internet, and some were acquaintances.

But going by that logic, the behavior at the convention was staged by Brock then?

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Response to JHan (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:59 PM

38. Which behavior?

People protesting their rights being railroaded by the DNC? The majority of Sanders supporters I know voted for Hillary, I don't know one who voted for Trump. How many so called Bernie bros were women? It was meant to divide, that's a Brock strategy he used against the Clintons originally.

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Response to dogman (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:02 PM

40. Clinton won the nomination.

She won the support of the base of the party. I am not going to rehash the nonsense.

If you can't see how hatred against all forms of establishment infected some Sanders supporters , I don't know what else to say to you.

David Brock isn't the reason why many HRC supporters were insulted last year.

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Response to JHan (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:45 PM

44. No, he's a big part of the reason she lost.

He insulted Bernie supporters, his meme was Bernie bros not Hillary ____!

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Response to dogman (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:14 PM

46. That Nevada primary fiasco, Schultz's clear finger on the scales, etc., was maddening to me but I

 

very willingly supported and voted for Hillary, as did all of my friends. His army of paid trolls -- which he admitted were out there -- seemed very dishonest and I do not believe that major Democrats told him not to use them -- some may have told him this, but I am not aware of any who did.

At any rate, if Brock wants to help progressive causes and Bernie, I am sure willing to let him do so.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:24 AM

119. If you guys do not give up this meme if a rigged primary the primary will never end

 

Four million more votes. And I personally dealt with an army of bros harassing me and sending me mail to my home. Explain that

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:36 PM

27. His apology and a dime is worth 10 cents.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:40 PM

30. Yes, but as much as I did not like his tactics earlier, I think that if David Brock

 

is sincere (I know, difficult to know for sure), Progressives should be willing to work with him on a provisional trail basis.

Thom Hartmann, no fan of Brock, said that he is an effective practitioner of "the dark arts" of campaigning. Hartmann seems inclined to welcome David Brock to the Progressive movement.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:08 PM

42. Lets see where his lobbying activities are headed.

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:07 PM

45. Yes -- not quite time to reject the offer. One of my favorite statements is: "The perfect is the

 

enemy of the good."

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:32 PM

47. David Brock is and always has been --

 

a ratfucker -- just because he's become a ratfucker for Dems doesn't make him any more tolerable. Brock can rot in hell with Atwater.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:13 PM

52. I like his comments.........and think that

he is sincere and Dems need his help. He did work hard for Hillary and IMHO he will work hard for the Dem agenda.


......

I asked Brock why Sanders and his supporters should believe that he is sincere now and not just doing what is politically expedient — changing teams again because Sanders seems like a better investment than the vanquished Hillary Clinton.

“I didn't view the Clintons as a 'good investment,' " Brock replied. “I sincerely believed that Hillary would have been one of the great presidents. I still hold that view, and as everyone watching knows, I knocked myself out to help her achieve that goal, not for her or me but for the country. I expect to continue to wholeheartedly support their future venues. My sincere words to Sen. Sanders are about an issue between us; they are not at Hillary's expense.”

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Response to riversedge (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:54 PM

55. What a good sentiment he put forth in that last paragraph! Let's hope he lives up to those words.

 

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Response to Akamai (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:27 PM

59. I believe Hillary

would approve. She will move forward. She had put lots of stuff behind her to have Bernie help campaign for her and we should work for the Democratic Party now. Lots of work to do. so many red states. Can't afford all this in fighting.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:28 PM

72. Absolutely -- Hillary and Bernie are grownups working for the same things!

 

Both of them are aware that it's important to get organized and work together, embracing each other.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:28 PM

53. Too late.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:35 PM

54. Brock is a scum bag that works for the highest bidder.

First when he started receiving pay checks from the Clintons, he apologized for what he said about Anita Hill. Now that the Clintons are definitely out of politics, Brock needs to find someone else to pay him. That is why he is meeting with all of those rich donors 'to fight Trump' I bet if a wealthy Trump supporter offered him a significant amount of money, he would switch back to working for the Republicans.

David Brock is a rat fucking mercenary -- and nothing more.

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Response to Else You Are Mad (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:23 AM

155. "David Brock is a rat fucking mercenary -- and nothing more."



It's truly wild to see so many on this site duped by one David Brock.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:14 PM

58. Fuck off Brock. Bernie said it best, you are scum of the earth

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:02 PM

69. Have Any Lefty Media Types Apologized For Demonizing Hillary?

 

resulting in Trump?

You know the one that think they smarter than the rest of us - condescending and mean.



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Response to otohara (Reply #69)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 10:52 PM

95. Did Keith Olbermann ever apologize for claiming .....

.... HRC was trying to foment assassination of Barack Obama in 2008?

I pretty much stopped watching him after that.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #95)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:30 AM

102. That was ten years ago. Has anybody on Bernie's side ever apologized for one damn thing?

 

Of course not. Somehow he wmts apologies and everybody to vote his way while he castigates and denigrates the entire party. I hope he never gets another amendment passed until he learns how to have respect for thos he needs to fufill his agenda.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #95)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 12:03 PM

137. Holy Smokes -

 

How'd I miss that?

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Response to otohara (Reply #137)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:53 PM

141. Um, it was all over du at the time. I had just joined in 2008

Some of her currently biggest super fans were accusing her of fomenting assassination in 2008

I was a Hiiary supporter so I remember.

Makes it kind of tough to swallow the "hater" bullshit from some.




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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:10 PM

71. Class act.

 



Actually, glad he's on our side.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 08:51 PM

87. David Brock is a damn peculiar individual.

 

He should be avoided.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 12:09 AM

97. Fuck Brock.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:28 AM

101. He shoulda kept his feeling to himself for a while

 

He was right in the first place. I should tell him so and then maybe he can retract his apology. After all the messages, the swarming, the letters in ,my mailbox, etc, I hope he knows that it was not just him that was being harassed. Bernie should apologize for not saying anything about his bros set trippin anytime anybody said the were voting for the other candidate.


Honestly, had it been us hillcats having a hissy fit everytime anybody said the were for Bernie, he woukd have never let it go, ever. He likes to complain and finger point but refuses accept responsibility for his own shit.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #101)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:54 AM

110. Exactly, brave. David Brock has more class for apologizing and

you can tell he just wants to unite against trumpee.. not have continued animosity from the primaries.

He cares about our Country and he's a much bigger person than I am.

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Response to Cha (Reply #110)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 06:06 AM

116. Bigger than I am too

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #110)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 07:40 AM

126. I actually can't believe you just described David Brock as having class.

 

Is that how far things have fallen here?

Did he 'care about our country' and was he a 'bigger person' when he called Anita Hill "a bit nutty and a bit slutty" or during the whole period where he was busy ratfucking Democrats at every opportunity?

David Brock is a repulsive little slime merchant, and we should be damn ashamed that he's being hired to do that for our side now.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #126)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:04 AM

149. +1 eom



Brock

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #126)

Tue Jan 17, 2017, 01:30 AM

156. "David Brock is a repulsive little slime merchant"...

this thread is full of perfect descriptors.

It's bad enough that he was hired, but he failed at what he was hired to do... Hillary lost to Donald fucking Trump. Shove off, David.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:21 AM

106. David Boogeyman?

Hilarious how he looms large in the imaginations of some as an almost supernaturally powerful nefarious force, long creepy shadows and terror like in "Nosferatu." He's just a guy. Really.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #106)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:33 AM

107. That might be hilarious

if it were true but of course it's actually not. Who he is and what he's done are well known.

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Response to melman (Reply #107)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:40 AM

108. He's on the side of the left, against the right wing.

Correcting anti-Democratic propaganda on the Internet is a good thing. Who doesn't think so?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #106)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:38 AM

131. Oh, just remembered a thread wherein it was claimed (not for the first time) that

"80% of (Hillary's) 'supporters' are paid shills" -- obviously by David Brock. The OP was (read it and weep):

"Someone used the word 'sycophant' to describe Hillary supporters who turn a blind eye to her 'gaffes' or justify the most egregious policy stances, behaviors (out-and-out lies) and associations (Kissinger, Cheney, Bushes) but it's deeper than that. I remember when people in this country used to claim a Hitler could never come to power here in the U.S. Now, I'm not comparing Hillary to Hitler, BUT, the blind devotion is the same. That same glassy-eyed adoration completely ignoring her history, the GLARING warning signs of her foreign policy-for-profit, her war mongering, her disdain for everyday people and so much more. It's a blind loyalty that is reminiscent of dictators past. THAT'S why I cannot support her, under any circumstances."

.... Words fail me to express my disdain. I wish words would fail people like this.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 07:42 AM

127. I'm glad your heart is finally at peace.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #127)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:42 AM

132. LOL. Good one.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:38 AM

130. At least he owns up to some of the toxic bullshit he was spreading about Sanders & his supporters.

That's more than some people seem to be capable of doing.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:30 PM

139. Maybe he wants a job with "Our Revolution".

 

Last edited Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:02 PM - Edit history (1)

(I'm pretty sure the hiring committee there would not be enthused about that possibility).

He made a good living from his LAST apology.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sat Jan 14, 2017, 09:37 PM

143. He's still a total scumbag.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:29 PM

145. Good let's move on now. I hope Brock is successful in Florida.

We need to organize and do as much as we can to fight the fascism, treason, and domestic social ills. We all need to support each other.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #145)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 05:12 PM

146. Yowza! We can't afford a circular firing squad or demand absolute purity in those we're working with

 

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Response to Akamai (Reply #146)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:44 PM

147. I'm not sure how you got any of that from my post.

What part of kumbaya says circular firing squad? Or purity test even? Whaaa????

What are you saying?

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #147)

Sun Jan 15, 2017, 11:49 PM

148. I apologize -- "yowza" to me means I support your views. Not that I am antithetical to them, as I

 

think you were suggesting.

I was emphasizing my support of what you were saying.

If I led you to misinterpret what I was saying, I apologize.

Actually, looking at the Urban Dictionary, etc., "yowza" generally means approval.

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Response to Akamai (Reply #148)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:11 PM

153. Oh, ok. I didn't know what you meant. No worries, it is all good.

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 03:20 PM

151. This guy always has come to Jesus moments after he's an asshole. Too late, as usual. n/t

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 06:13 PM

152. I wonder if he's sincere

 

or if the wagon he hitched himself to is now out of politics for good and he feels this apology will help him get back in the game?

This is a difficult question I will have to ponder for a while...

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Response to Akamai (Original post)

Mon Jan 16, 2017, 11:28 PM

154. what a nutty slut. nt

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