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Thu May 23, 2013, 11:27 AM

Let me get all this straight re: Lois Learner

1. She is a Bush Appointee

2. She is in charge of the people who (supposedly) targeted the Tea Party.

3. She didn't re-direct those people, but rather fed the story to the Press - she whistle blew on herself

4. Now she's taking the 5th.

Do I have all that right?

Is this an attempt to embarrass Obama that is rapidly blowing up in the face(s) of the plotter(s)?

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Reply Let me get all this straight re: Lois Learner (Original post)
hedgehog May 2013 OP
The Magistrate May 2013 #1
JoePhilly May 2013 #2
whistler162 May 2013 #20
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #3
former9thward May 2013 #14
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #17
former9thward May 2013 #18
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #19
former9thward May 2013 #21
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #23
former9thward May 2013 #24
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #25
former9thward May 2013 #26
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #27
former9thward May 2013 #30
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #31
former9thward May 2013 #33
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #35
former9thward May 2013 #41
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #42
godai May 2013 #37
libodem May 2013 #4
Berlum May 2013 #5
leftyohiolib May 2013 #6
hedgehog May 2013 #7
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #9
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #8
hedgehog May 2013 #10
BlueCaliDem May 2013 #11
SteveG May 2013 #12
former9thward May 2013 #13
hedgehog May 2013 #15
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #28
former9thward May 2013 #29
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #32
former9thward May 2013 #34
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #36
Agschmid May 2013 #39
Cooley Hurd May 2013 #43
CitizenPatriot May 2013 #38
former9thward May 2013 #40
pansypoo53219 May 2013 #16
Cha May 2013 #22

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:28 AM

1. That Is All The Essential Points, Ma'am

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:32 AM

2. Obama used the same time machine here that he used to crash the economy

while Bush was President.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:41 PM

20. in 1929 you mean!

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:32 AM

3. If someone squeals (hopefully Lois will), the trail will likely lead back to...

 

...establishment Republicans who were flummoxed by their Tea Party challengers during the 2010 primaries, so they asked fellow establishment Repub Lois - and perhaps Shulman - to take them down via IRS auditing.

Dems just aren't that stupid to try such a thing, but Repubs? Yes... that stupid.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Thu May 23, 2013, 12:55 PM

14. Shulman is a Democrat.

He was appointed by Bush but he was giving the Democratic National Committee $250 a month before his appointment.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #14)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:20 PM

17. How much was he giving to the GOP at the same time?

 

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #17)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:25 PM

18. If he was giving anything it would have come out by now.

FEC records are public.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #18)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:36 PM

19. ...not 501c's.

 

Donors are anonymous.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #19)

Thu May 23, 2013, 04:54 PM

21. Two errors.

The RNC and DNC are 527s not 501cs. Donors are public. Donors are also public to 501c3s. They are not public to 501c4s.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #21)

Thu May 23, 2013, 06:05 PM

23. Exactly - no errors involved...

 

We don't know WHO this person contributed to. How much $$$ did he kick into 501c4s?

...and why are you defending a Bush appointee??

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #23)

Thu May 23, 2013, 06:39 PM

24. The post was full of errors. I am pointing out facts.

He is a Democrat who has contributed to the DNC. We DO know that. Bush appointed many Democrats. Just as Obama has appointed some Republicans. Deal with it.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #24)

Thu May 23, 2013, 06:41 PM

25. Deal with this...

 

PROVE to me, beyond a measly $250 contribution, that this clown is a Democrat.

It's on you.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #25)

Thu May 23, 2013, 06:53 PM

26. Now its on you.

Presented by the Federal Election Commission




Individual Contributions Arranged By Type, Giver, Then Recipient

Contributions to Political Committees

SHULMAN, DOUGLAS
WASHINGTON, DC 20007
NASD INC.


DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
10/09/2004 500.00 25990726011

Total Contributions: 500.00
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/qind/

Now prove that he is a Republican.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #26)

Thu May 23, 2013, 06:56 PM

27. No, you're the one asserting they're a Dem...

 

...yet the proof you offer is extremely tenuous (a single entry from the FEC).

The onus is still on you, strange person who defends Bush appointees.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #27)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:11 PM

30. I was replying to a poster asserting he was a Republican.

The poster offered zero proof. Reasonable people would infer that someone who contributes to the DNC is either a Democrat or certainly sympathetic to the goals of the DNC. But go on and keep digging.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #30)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:23 PM

31. Bzzz!

 

Still no proof that Shulman is a Democrat, other than a one-time 9-year-old contribution. Yet, you are STILL defending a Bush-appointee.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #31)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:29 PM

33. I have not commented one word on Shulman.

Or what he did or did not do at the IRS. You said he was a R and offered not a shred of proof. I like accurately maybe you not so much as long as something fits a narrative. BTW I thought the meme was that the IRS was doing their job and should be saluted. If that is the case shouldn't Shulman be defended? Or are you unhappy the tea party was targeted? I wonder what your contribution record is at the FEC....

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Response to former9thward (Reply #33)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:38 PM

35. Except his tenuous contribution 9 years ago...

 

He was appointed by George W Bush. THE MOST political President in my lifetime (and, yes, I remember Nixon - I CAMPAIGNED against him!). Did Bush appoint him because he was a non-partisan voice-of-reason? Oh... sure. (Please prove otherwise - it's STILL your assertion)

As far as Lois Lerner is concerned, do you have the specs on her, besides being a career bureaucrat? When did she start? You DO realize that federal civil service positions (like in the IRS) are appointments, don't you?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #35)

Fri May 24, 2013, 09:45 AM

41. You just keep digging.

No, civil service is not presidential appointments. Look it up. The president is not involved in civil service. Dig some more.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #41)

Fri May 24, 2013, 11:16 AM

42. Oops - I did

 

on edit: I used the term "civil service" in my previous post but it was incorrect...

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:33 AM

4. That is how I'm reading it

Appears Republicans are trying to throw enough shit at the wall to make something, anything, stick.

Bunch of poo flinging, subgeneticly endowed, primates.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:35 AM

5. You got it

This is just another Republican Crapfest.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:35 AM

6. but then boner open his pie-hole and said he wanted to know who to imprison so she clammed up

 

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:38 AM

7. Not to mention, the IRS has been enforcing this law improperly since the Eisenhower administration:

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #7)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:40 AM

9. Yep. And it was a Republican commissioner who "interpreted" the IRS law for 501(c)4s.

They need to highlight that glaring fact.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:39 AM

8. Yep.

Remember when Cheney smugly said, as he was leaving the WH {and yes, he was president, not Duhbya}, that Cons don't have to worry about Obama since he's installed "his people" in strategic places {and I sure do hope President Obama returns the favor when he finishes his second term}?

DA's, 250 Pentagon appointees, IRS appointees, and many others have refused to leave when Cheney and Bush did. But it does give the impression that President Obama is no different than Bush, and that is, I believe, why they decided to stay on as they try to take down this administration.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #10)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:55 AM

11. Thank you for the link. I couldn't find it

since all search engines' first ten pages are bought up by Corporations that support Rightwing propaganda.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 12:09 PM

12. You missed one

5. Her husbands law firm is very closely connected to Ted Cruz.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 12:52 PM

13. She is not a Bush appointee.

She is a career IRS employee appointed by no one.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Thu May 23, 2013, 01:15 PM

15. I can't find out much about her career - all the current stories

are repeats of each other. What I did find out is that she used to be at FEC - and that the Right Wing is enraged that she didn't find a way to disqualify Obama from being elected! Apparently, she also now has some overview of part of the Affordable Care Act, so that has the Right Wing in a tizzy as well.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:00 PM

28. Let's see HER FEC record...

 

You're really trying hard to defend them, so you MUST know HER FEC record of contributions.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #28)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:08 PM

29. The poster said she was a Bush appointee.

Absolutely false. She has been working at the IRS long before Bush. I looked up her name at the FEC and came up with nothing. Since you are so concerned about it go look it up yourself and report back.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #29)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:28 PM

32. Never said she was a Bush appointee. Said she was establishment Repug...

 

When did she start w/ the IRS? You are insisting she is NOT a Bush appointee. You must have proof. Please share with us.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #32)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:31 PM

34. Read the post I was replying to.

1. She is a Bush Appointee

For the other stuff I suggest you follow the news. Since you are on a political discussion board it is strange you don't.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #34)

Thu May 23, 2013, 07:41 PM

36. Heehee!

 

Apparently, your sources are questionable. Per your argument, a single FEC entry proves that this can NOT be a Republican scandal. Perhaps you should stop reading Newsmax.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #36)

Fri May 24, 2013, 06:37 AM

39. And today you made DU suck.

Good job, oh and great use of passive aggressive smilies... So worth it.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #39)

Fri May 24, 2013, 11:18 AM

43. Whatever.

 

Don't care what you think, anyway.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #13)

Thu May 23, 2013, 11:39 PM

38. She was appointed by Reagan administration

originally to different post, and then appointed to her current position by Bush administration. If her superior is a Democrat for one donation, then she is a Republican for her Romney donation at Open Secrets.

Whatever. It's silly to parse this out in order to suggest that she wasn't appointed under Bush admin. FACT: she was appointed by the Bush administration, notorious for politicization of all government. Before that, by Reagan admin.


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Response to CitizenPatriot (Reply #38)

Fri May 24, 2013, 09:42 AM

40. People at the IRS are not appointed.

The President gets to make two appointments at the IRS. That is all. The rest are career employees who get their jobs through civil service. She was not appointed by anyone.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 01:16 PM

16. i am beginning to thing the teahadists were given PREFERENTIAL treatment.

the were SHOVED to he FRONT OF THE LINE, while there was a FLOOD of this tax exemption. THEY ARE CRYING FOUL WHEN THEY GOT QUICKER treatment, NOT WORSE!

+ yes, lois is a mole. a bushie.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2013, 05:42 PM

22. Update: on Lerner, hedgehog

The Associated Press ✔ @AP

MORE: Lois Lerner replaced as director of IRS division that oversaw agents who targeted tea
party groups: http://apne.ws/10qRoAo -CC11:48 AM - 23 May 2013
IRS replaces official who oversaw targeting

WASHINGTON (AP) A day after she refused to answer questions at a congressional hearing, Lois Lerner has been replaced as director the Internal Revenue Service division that oversaw agents who...


http://theobamadiary.com/2013/05/23/keep-chatting-away-3/#comments

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