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Related: About this forumIs the PRISM spying program a hoax?
How do we know we haven't been looking at altered documents pushed by one of the many Bush holdovers who switched to a civil service position after he left office?
For one thing, is it really reasonable to think that this supposedly massive program has a price tag of only $20 million dollars? That alone should have set off instant alarm bells.
Who are the gullible people here? The ones who are waiting for proof before condemning Obama based on a report by the WA post citing an unnamed career civil servant (who may well be a Bush holdover)? Or the ones who immediately denounced Obama on this issue, even after watching the Rethugs throw three previous fake "scandals" at him at the beginning of his new term?
http://www.businessinsider.com/is-the-nsa-prism-spying-program-a-hoax-2013-6
Twitter users have noted two inexplicable differences in the PowerPoint slides posted online by the Post and the Guardian. On a slide with the header Dates When PRISM Collection Began For Each Provider, there is a red box behind the PRISM logo on the Guardian version that is not present in the Post version. And the green arrow running diagonally across the slide is noticeably different in shape and spacing.
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The key to any successful hoax is to weave at least a few truths into a story that is shocking but (just barely) credible. Late Thursday night, journalist Matthew Keys tracked down two military job listings that identify PRISM as a collection management system and a required job skill for intelligence officer positions (the same title the Post story uses to describe its anonymous source). Indeed, in an updated version of its story, The Post began to walk back its claims by citing a second classified report that identified PRISM as a program to allow collection managers [to send] content tasking instructions directly to equipment installed at company-controlled locations, rather than directly to company servers.
If PRISM appears in publicly accessible job postings, its likely to be a less important program than the articles lead us to believe. And while PRISM-derived intelligence probably was cited in over 2,400 classified intelligence reports in 2012 (including almost 1,500 delivered to the president), it is appearing less and less likely that PRISM rises to the level of the all-encompassing vacuum cleaner of the Internet that the initial reports indicated.
Why someone would provide a false or partially-true briefing and play up its importance as a gross intrusion on privacy, as characterized by the Posts anonymous source, is an open question. In an environment of shrinking defense and intelligence budgets, battles for scarce resources are often fought using strategic leaks or disinformation. Or, as Clapper claims, the materials provided to the newspapers may simply be inaccurate, a frequent occurrence in government training materials that pass through numerous offices before being approved.
If everything attributed to PRISM proves to be true, there will no doubt be a serious and ongoing national debate regarding where to draw the line between civil liberties and national security. But we shouldnt be too quick to dismiss the governments claims that all is not as it might appear. When dealing with leaks and the murky world of top secret intelligence programs, it is best to be mindful of Hanlons Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Weird.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Malik Agar
(102 posts)Both parties have sold us out on this...
Shhhh. Don't tell the National Intelligence Director because he's already admitted it's real.
[link:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/clapper-secret-nsa-surveillance-prism?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20full-width-1%20bento-box:Bento%20box osition2:sublinks|
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)And he strongly disputed some of the claims the WA Post was making.
He didn't say aliens created it either. lol
krawhitham
(4,643 posts)What horrible journalism, he was in no way talking about PRISM. One or two news outfits took the press release out of context and linked it with PRISM and they rest of the news world run with that story. WTF ever happen to fact checking
PRISM is nothing but Science Fiction on a 20 million dollar budget
In the press release he is talking about one program and references one article, and he stats
By order of the FISC, the Government is prohibited from indiscriminately sifting through the telephony metadata acquired under the program.
Here is the complete press release
bemildred
(90,061 posts)More like the usual inflation of molehills of fact into mountains of FUD which the Mighty Wurlitzer does so well.
And as we know the Might Wurlitzer has been cranked up to full volume of late.
nebenaube
(3,496 posts)You give me twenty million and a team of three or four others and we'll write one hell of a data mining worm. Seems very plausible to me.
The cost of monitoring every byte is trivial when electrons do the work.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 8, 2013, 06:28 PM - Edit history (1)
has been falling all over itself to leak the latest "scandal" to attack the president and to distract us from what else is going on (keystone pipeline, monsanto, hungry people, poverty, women's rights, jobs, the sequester, student loan debt, the wars, NRA, domestic & foreign terror attacks, etc., etc.)
didn't we just go through this?
first, there is the "anonymous" source
a few hours (or, as of late, less than 2 hours) - usually from another news outlet: OMG, it's worse than we thought!
and then OMG! and OMG!, OMG! and then Obama did it. he is the antichrist nazi socialist communist mofo...blah, blah,blah.
thanks for your post, pnwmom.
p.s. common citizens have been under surveillance for a very long time. i was a tutor in the 70's to the wife of one of the persons active in a student movement and i was tapped and followed. sheesh.
refuse to live in fear.
creon
(1,183 posts)We really do not know what PRISM actually does. The name, PRISM, is not classified. What it does is classified. That is important.
We, also, do not know what the newspapers were actually told. Nor, do we know if the newspaper actually understood it.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)reason not to trust many DC politicians, Obama included. The NSA story, which if it isn't legit would be a big blow through the media establishment, shocks me the least of the three, but I am having trouble believing they aren't doing exactly what is being alleged, and more. I've taken that to be doubtlessly true for some time.
But after five years with the guy in charge, it gets a little ridiculous to continue to blame bush and excuse Obama. Things get done by people issuing orders and and crafting agendas. Things don't get done by accident.