How Snowden blew it and became a traitor.........

[UCmeNdc]

After Edward Snowden leaked the fact the that US had intercepted communications of Russian president Medvedev, and now this past Friday we learned that Snowden has leaked the details of US spying on China, Snowden has made his intentions, and the legitimacy of what he is doing, a legitimate story. And to the degree anyone thinks this detracts from the NSA PRISM story, they have only Edward Snowden to thank. As journalists we don’t ignore good, important stories because they’re inconvenient. And as I’ll argue at the end of this story, I think the question of Snowden’s hero status goes to the heart of the most important issue of this entire debate: the appropriate roles of citizens and government.


http://americablog.com/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-prism-russia-china-leak.html


Snowden, in my opinion, if he really felt strongly about the PRISM program should have leaked it then turned himself in to US authorities and take the punishment but stand by his beliefs. Now Snowden is being used by every intelligence agency to supply his knowledge about NSA methods and programs to their respective governments. Snowden being naive to the world of competing intelligence organizations became a traitor to the US government.

[RC]

1. So you think what the US government is doing is a good thing.

If Snowden had turned himself in, there is a good chance none of us would have ever heard of him, let alone again. And we all would still be fat, dumb and happy in the knowledge the USA would do no wrong. Naa, this way, everyone knows. I think that is much better.

[UCmeNdc]

3. So you think what the Russian government and Chinese government is doing is a good thing?

Right now they have NSA's listening methods as far as Snowden's technical knowledge goes. They will send him on his way after they get what they want. Way of the world.

[Mojorabbit]

2. THAT IS WHY

the A CLU and amnesty int are in his corner.

[UCmeNdc]

4. Yeah Right......

[Mojorabbit]

5. Facts are facts.

This place is getting creepy with the support for the surveillance state.

[UCmeNdc]

6. A CLU and amnesty int cannot help you once you are in Russia

[Harmony Blue]

21. Agreed

it is interesting to watch it unfold for better or worse.

[frylock]

15. yes, right. are you disputing that?

[Daemonaquila]

7. Oh, for f**k's sake.

So Belenko and other Soviet pilots and spies who defected with either planes or information helping prevent the cold war from becoming nuclear war should all have gone home and been shot? Newsflash: the name of the game is to tell the tale and LIVE. Anyone who watched what happened to Bradley Manning knows to stay out of the government's clutches.

[UCmeNdc]

8. The Russian intelligence people will milk Snowden for their benefit

not for the sake of US citizen's privacy concerns.

[frylock]

16. which has fuckall to do with the post you replied to

[RC]

9. +100

Only I would have said "Oh, for fuck's sake." Udder dan tat, a good factual, truthful post.

[aquart]

10. He told our business to other coutries. Yes. Traitor.

Notice how PRISM isn't the topic of conversation? Because the self-important asshole will blab anything to anyone who pays him attention. He blew the focus himself.

[GeorgeGist]

11. I'm still waiting for someone to make the case ...

that spying on China and Russia is good for Americans.

[Cha]

12. thank you for the link, ucmeNdc.. Snowden doesn't like spying but he is one.

And the same goes for Edward Snowden’s document dump about Moscow and Beijing. They have nothing to do with PRISM, or spying on Americans, and everything to do with either a dislike of the US, or a dislike of all spying. And while I can respect that some people simply don’t like spying, and want us to stop, I don’t think it’s realistic, and I don’t think it meets the test of being a true whistleblower. Everyone knows we spy on Russia and China, so revealing that fact doesn’t really convince the American people that it needs to stop. It does however risk making it easier for Russia and China to avoid our spying the next time around. So it hurts America, but doesn’t really help America – so why do it?

UPDATE: With today’s revelation, that Snowden will let the foreign press determine which American are too dangerous to Americans to publish, he’s off the whistleblower list for good.

"Snowden is a Spy"..

That's a spy. Period. True, he did not do the usual spy thing of selling the information. Lots of spies haven't been in it for the money. Start with Philby and his circle and go on from there. It seems quite obvious from his own words that Snowden is a sort of post-ideological Philby. If he's committed to an -ism, it's probably a vague kind of techno-post-nation-ism in which the nation state is perforce a tyrannical entity and must therefor become a thing of obsolesence. That, along with a healthy dose of me-ism.

A jerk. But more importantly, a run-of-the-mill lawbreaker. The "whistleblower" case was always a little bit dodgy. Whistleblowers expose criminal acts. He just didn't like his country's policy. That's fine. Millions agree with him. But we can't live in a world where citizens are allowed to do what he's done without repercussion.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/24/snowden-is-a-spy.html

h/t http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/24/snowden-is-a-spy/

[UCmeNdc]

13. Yes Snowden may have started with good intentions

But, he made a bad judgement call thinking he would find friends in China or Russia. They became his friend but at a price, with the currency being information on US ops.

[Cha]

14. Yeah, he "may" have started off with good intentions but

I don't think so.



April @ReignOfApril

Hey @lawscribe, check this. Now Greenwald is saying he didn't know Snowden's name until Hong Kong?

Greenwald: I Didn't Even Know Snowden's Name Until He Was In Hong Kong
Glenn Greenwald, one of the reporters to whom Edward Snowden leaked classified NSA documents, said that he did not even know "where Mr. Snowden worked or what his name was until he was in Hong Kong...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/greenwald-i-didnt-know-what-snowden-did-until

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/24/chat-away-questions/#comments

[savalez]

18. uh oh... somebody's lying...

i wonder why. maybe 'ol greenie has come to some sort of realization.

[sheshe2]

17. Thank you UCmeNdc, It unravels!

And I don’t buy the argument that Manning left it up to Wikileaks or the media to ensure that some deadly detail he leaked wouldn’t go farther. That’s his job, as the whistleblower, to blow the relevant whistle.

THEN you can say, perhaps it’s the media’s job to make sure they don’t publish a story that’s going to get people killed. But I do not accept the notion that a whistleblower doesn’t share some responsibility for at the very least attempting to ensure that he’s leaking relevant information to the very wrongdoing he’s claiming. When you leak a million documents, you’re not trying to limit the damage, nor are you exposing any particular “crime.”

And people who try to turn Edward Snowden, or Bradley Manning, into heroes, make it necessary for others to determine whether that hero status is merited. So I don’t buy the argument that it’s somehow wrong or counter-productive to discuss the merits of Edward Snowden’s actions. Rather than serving as a distriaction, such an analysis goes to the underlying cause that Snowden claims he champions, the rights and roles of the citizen versus the state. I believe there is no more important discussion to be had if you truly care about transparency, civil liberties, and governance.

[Agschmid]

19. How could he possibly be naive to this?

[blkmusclmachine]

20. -1.

[Sunlei]

22. I want to know who hired him, how he bypassed any vetting. Whos funds this $$$ world run?

why do their employees have access to download anything ever?

One contractor has cost American taxpayers multi-billions of dollars.

[Splinter Cell]

23. Snowden is a piece of shit.

He's a traitor to his country. Period.

[OilemFirchen]

24. Lost my scorecard.

Was John Aravosis already under the bus?

Also, do we need more buses?