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Related: About this forumThe NSA fights dirty, who'd a thought?
Are you one of those radical lefties who believe in free love? Well, the NSA has a special weapon against you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html
None of the six individuals targeted by the NSA is accused in the document of being involved in terror plots. The agency believes they all currently reside outside the United States. It identifies one of them, however, as a "U.S. person," which means he is either a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident. A U.S. person is entitled to greater legal protections against NSA surveillance than foreigners are.
Stewart Baker, a one-time general counsel for the NSA and a top Homeland Security official in the Bush administration, said that the idea of using potentially embarrassing information to undermine targets is a sound one. "If people are engaged in trying to recruit folks to kill Americans and we can discredit them, we ought to," said Baker. "On the whole, it's fairer and maybe more humane" than bombing a target, he said, describing the tactic as "dropping the truth on them."
Stewart Baker, a one-time general counsel for the NSA and a top Homeland Security official in the Bush administration, said that the idea of using potentially embarrassing information to undermine targets is a sound one. "If people are engaged in trying to recruit folks to kill Americans and we can discredit them, we ought to," said Baker. "On the whole, it's fairer and maybe more humane" than bombing a target, he said, describing the tactic as "dropping the truth on them."
Or how about bringing Occupy radicals or NSA hostile politicians under control? J. Edgar Hoover did this, and had the elected government in his palm by doing it.
Is stopping terrorism (and drugs) worth the measures we're taking? Police kill eight times as many people per year terrorists do. Since 2001, they're killed more people than the number of US deaths in Iraq.
Also, I can't forget the irony that mischief by the US intelligence community is what brought terrorists on us to begin with. If it weren't for the CIA and NSA and such, we wouldn't need the CIA and NSA. They perpetuate their own existence to protect us from the wrath from what they did yesterday.
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The NSA fights dirty, who'd a thought? (Original Post)
caseymoz
Nov 2013
OP
The article further states the NSA is watching your porn site visits. Building profiles, I presume.
blkmusclmachine
Nov 2013
#4
Ermagerd! Intelligence agencies exploit people's sexuality for intelligence advantage????
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2013
#6
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)1. Yeah,
they do engage in some job security creation.
RC
(25,592 posts)2. That is the problem in a nut shell
If it weren't for the CIA and NSA and such, we wouldn't need the CIA and NSA. They perpetuate their own existence to protect us from the wrath from what they did yesterday.
We create our own enemies, so we have someone to protect ourselves against.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)3. Only the Left are its Enemies.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)4. The article further states the NSA is watching your porn site visits. Building profiles, I presume.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)5. They're making a list, and checking it twice,
They're gonna find out,
Who needs to be iced.
Who needs to be iced.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)6. Ermagerd! Intelligence agencies exploit people's sexuality for intelligence advantage????
Who ever could have imagined such a scenario in the whole history of the world!
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)7. Oh, when you put it like that . . .
. . . these aren't actual enemies, people who bomb anybody, leaders of factions or even people who plan attacks. These are people who say nasty things about the US. With the poor oversight we have over the NSA, this could be aimed at anybody, including people who are politically unfriendly to the NSA.
Blackmailing somebody for what they've done in mutual sex that involves another person is one thing. But here the attack is on somebody's masturbation habits and fantasies. As blackmail goes, that's as close to thoughtcrime as it is to sexuality.
All I could say is, just wait until your privacy is breached and see if you stay blase about the principle.