2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSitting out the 2014 election is a vote for the GOP
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If you don't vote we all lose. Let's send the rethugs and the Koch's a message we are the people not we are the corporations.
Vote like your life depends on it.....because it does.
If the rethugs get the house and senate they will take away our voting rights and we'll never be able to get rid of them unless we use our pitchforks. unfortunately people are too busy with their smart phones right now. Please prove me wrong. Vote vote and vote November 2014.
demwing
(16,916 posts)That pitchfork option...
Gothmog
(145,142 posts)We are working like crazy to get out the vote in Texas for Wendy Davis and Leticia van de Putte.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And I question the motives (and loyalties) of anyone who suggests such a thing.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)have billions, but we have the voters. It we don't vote they will take over the our governments.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I will be voting in 2014!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)you will convince your semi-sane family members to vote, too ... and take 3 or 4 other folks with you to the polls.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Everyone should vote. We need to let our voices be heard.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)and it won't be anybody anywhere near being "moderate or Lefty," and that'll be all she wrote folks, for your lifetime and maybe your kids' lifetimes, too!
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)because it's working so well for us now.
I simply cannot express how thoroughly dispirited I am with all these years of having nothing better that "the lesser evil" to vote for; no better cause than to avoid "the other side" gaining control.
Fot fifty years I have been hearing that my life depends on not letting the other side gain control. You know what? It doesn't. They have been in control several times, and I'm not dead. They have not caused mass die offs. Millions have not starved to death.
And when my side has regained control the wars continued unabated. We had "the surge" in Iraq. The corporations still controlled elections and Congress. The "change that you can believe in" never materialized. Corruption and corporate control still prevailed. Government secrecy and spying grew even bigger.
You aren't selling me.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)Whining and being against voting is not on the list.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)And where did I say that I was against voting? Please cite the statement where I said I was against voting.
I'll stop "whining" when you learn how to read.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)So you can stop whining now, again.
polichick
(37,152 posts)corporations and people.
Those who dare speak the way you have get shouted down by those still blindly working for "their" side.
Makes me think of that old protest song, where Stephen Stills sings about the signs mostly saying "Hooray for our side."
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Meaningless pap.
Were you around in 2006? Theis was the great battle. The year that Democrats were going to take ober the House and stop the evil Bush in his tracks. We were fucking euphoric; we took not only the House, but the Senate too. It was a Democratic moment in history. THE FORCES OF EVIL HAD BEEN DEFEATED BY THE ANGELS OF GOODNESS AND LIGHT.
THE WAR IN IRAQ WOULD BE BROUGHT TO A HALT. And then we had "the surge," and a renewal of the "Patriot Act" and thr "Military Commissions Act." All voted into being by a Democratic Congress that we had fought so hard to install.
I've lived the future, kid, and it most emphatically was not the future that I fought for.
Don't tell me I'm whining, and don't tell me I'm advocating against voting. What I'm saying is you can't sell me with all your bullshit about not letting the other side win, or how the other side will degrade the nation or trying to make me afraid of anything. Tell me what your side offers and convince me that your side will do what it says. I'm not buying your fear mongering.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)Complete with well reasoned arguement, thorough logic, sound reasons, and deep thought. Modern liberalism: nothing but empty slogans and mindless, unthinking, loyalty. Name calling and empty words. Pathetic.
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JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)On turning us into Iran.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I share a good bit of your cynicism.
The republican's/conservatives are going NOWHERE, they are relentless and actually have continued to get worse and worse during the course of my life. Somehow worse than during the Clinton years.
That said ... When we had a democratic president and both houses of congress, we got ACA, Dodd/Frank ... Yes, both watered down and not near what they could or should have been. But, we had been going on over 4 decades waiting for SOME kind of health care reform.
Yeah, democrats are both typical career concerned politicians AND political pansies afraid to fight for a better way.
But, there still is a HUGE difference.
While I have lost any faith in the capacity of the people of this country to not repeatedly fall for the republican bullshit and allow us to make any real meaningful progress, it still is important for us to ring the bell on election day.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)...by arguing policy and achievement rather than mere fearmongering about "your life depends on it, cede the future," or "we can't let the other side win."
I don't happen to agree with you particularly that these achievements are worthy of reelection, the "health care reform" we were promised turned into health insurance extension with a pretense at reform and financial re-regulation was a sham, but at least you offer "reasons to vote for" rather than engaging in mere jingoistic sloganeering, and so I applaud you.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)I find it mind numbing to know that I live in a country that is so darn stupid, we can't implement the most simple and common sense health care system possible - single payer.
But, again ...
What little progress we have made was done with democrats in charge of all three branches.
It isn't what it could or should be, but ...
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)...you are there. You are creating positive talking points. Condense it down to a soundbite and you have, "Good things happen with Democratically controlled governments."
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)I'll definitely be voting for any and all Democrats on the ballot.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)We should also give $ (whatever we can afford) to the DSCC and directly to campaigns in states like MI, CO, NC, IA, NH, LA, and AK.
While our votes may not matter much given the state we live in, we can still help GOTV in the battleground states!
Raven
(13,889 posts)We really, really do have to win this one. I've felt this way for every election since 2004, but this truly is our very last chance.
Fight the negativity and passivity and downbeat headlines, fight for Democratic candidates, stand proudly for Democratic achievements and principles, and GOTV!!
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)From your lips to the Gates of Heaven...
question everything
(47,472 posts)that Humphrey was the best candidate. And Nixon won. Twice.
DeeDeeNY
(3,355 posts)Especially damaging in census years like 2010, when so many house seats were taken by Rethugs and then districts were gerrymandered so they could continue in the majority for years to come.
polichick
(37,152 posts)End of the world!! Evil! Socialists! Blah, blah, blah...
Truth is, the enemy of BOTH sides - or rather, ALL the people - is the corporate complex that both parties - make that ONE party with two faces - currently serves.
The people who are having trouble voting have figured that out. Not to say I won't vote - so far I always have - but I get the absurdity of the whole deal and understand that this system only works for the corporations and the wealthy.
Eventually we'll have to engage in the "political revolution" that Bernie Sanders talks about.