2016 Postmortem
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Yes, Republicans are well-positioned for the midterms -- but after that, they're in a world of trouble. Here's why
SIMON MALOY
Reince Priebus is bullish. Its been one year since the Republican National Committee chair unveiled the Growth and Opportunity Project, the RNCs stark autopsy of the 2012 electoral rout, and Priebus told reporters yesterday that his party is looking at a tsunami-type election this November. My belief is that its going to be a very big win, especially at the U.S. Senate level, and I think we may even add some seats in the congressional races, said Reince. And to make sure there was zero chance of his being misunderstood: Its a disaster for Democrats.
Priebus remarks received a lot of coverage, which is a little curious because they werent especially compelling (BREAKING: Party Chair Sees Good Things Ahead For Party). But they were definitely fighting words, and when you start talking to political reporters about tsunamis and disasters, youre going to get your name in the paper.
Ultimately it doesnt really matter what Reince Priebus calls it. The Republicans are indeed positioned to have a good 2014 election but no thanks to Priebus autopsy, which spent the year being largely ignored by the party it was meant to reform. Which means that while their short-term outlook is strong, the long-term one is no better than it was in the wake of President Obamas second victory.
Ask anyone at the RNC what theyve accomplished and theyll tell you about the outreach theyre doing, and all the tech people theyve hired, as recommended by the Growth and Opportunity Project. But its not just tone that counts, the report declared. Policy always matters. So what has been done on the policy front? Nothing.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)republicans have, largely, adopted the "corporate CEO" philosophy ... "Get all I can today, to hell with tomorrow. I probably won't be here anyway."
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)I'll be surprised if the GOP doesn't retake the presidency in 16.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)A structural defeat is when the very process or structure of a political ecosystem predetermines the outcome. It's like knowingly calling "tails" in the air on a two-headed coin or running a white supremacist for Mayor in DC.
The structure of the electorate now is such that there is no discernible path to victory for the GOP; none, not even an outside chance. If we're honest and brush-off the media's desire to make elections horse races so that they will make compelling news, there are more than 270 safe Democratic Electoral College votes. (ME, NH, VT, CT, RI, MA, NY, NJ, PA, DE, MD, DC, WA, OR, CA, CO, NM, IL, MN. Throw in the strong leaners of IA, VA, MI, WI and we're at 279.) You have as good of a chance at seeing a GOP Presidential win as you do of seeing a Nader win.
It's the House and off-year Senate elections that keep the GOP viable. Unless they make changes, their reflection in the mirror, long-term looks a lot like the Whigs. The sad last gasps of an irrelevancy facing its mortality.
They're far behind the 8-ball in 2016; there's no "there" there unless they swing 1-2 relatively-safe Democratic states and sweep the toss-ups. Christie was their best chance because he'd have an outside-chance of making NY and NJ competitive. Their electability died on a bridge. Even if they take the Senate in 2014, they have no means of a hold in 2016. We're probalby looking at 2020 before we see the House flip...after that, there's really no way forward for the GOP unless they take the long knives to the legacy of Reagan.
The GOP crucified itself on a cross of tea on a bright shining mountain of conservative crap in a grove of Birch.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Issues have some effect on how people vote, but the most significant factor is "whose fault is the mess we're currently in?".
After four years, people are beginning to blame the president's party; after eight, they blame it almost exclusively.
The GOP are frontrunners to win in 2016, and probably 2020 as well, but the good news is that they're as unlikely to hold on for more than 8 years as the Dems are.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)As political scientists, we like to think that's the economy and jobs...but while those should be important and get a lot of lip service, they don't really move the needle. It's marriage equality, abortion, guns, war, Jesus, etc...and their emotional-level perception of the parties.
The blame theory is tired old crap that never really held much reality...an example of writing the hypothesis to conform to the results rather than the results confirming the hypothesis. Correlation is not causation.
The GOP isn't the frontrunner to win anything except the House, with toss-ups on the Senate in a couple of terms, between now and 2022 anywhere outside the GOP echo chamber and the desires of the media for compelling races.
2016 is projecting as a Democratic landslide year. 2020 gets whoever was elected in 2016 reelected. Beyond that, it depends too much on factors beyond the horizon. But as goes hot-button social issues goes the Republic and those favor Democrats heavily.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but if I were a gambling man I'd bet the other way.
mikekohr
(2,312 posts)Democrats in Congress rank much higher and President Obama is nearly 4 times as popular as the Republican Congress.
The system is tilted in favor of small, rural states. It's been that way since 1776. But, unless a dynamic, middle of the road Republican rears his head and the Democrats nominate a fig newton, the presidency is an electoral lock for Democrats.
Every 4 years the electorate is 2% less white. The Millenials are increasingly progressive, especially on social issues of God, Gays and guns, the last desparate, divisive, bitter bastion of the conservative movement. Time marches on and it will bury what today calls itself the Republican Party.
tblue37
(65,215 posts)unverifiable electronic voting + less high-tech shenanigans at the local level (e.g., compromised bags of votes) + a relentless M$M drumbeat against Pres. Obama and against Dems + a relentless framing of policy issues by the M$M and even the corporodem Democratic party leadership in Republican terms + continual Dem leadership snottiness toward the liberal base---
What could go wrong?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)voter suppression tactics: A legitimate concern but one that has possibly only ever substantively changed the outcome of one election: 2004. Beyond that, it's overstated; DoJ has done a great deal to tear down GOP suppression efforts as fast as they can dream them up. Will not be a factor in 2016...and if it were, we should/could start now to blunt it.
unverifiable electronic voting: this is really that one crazy thing that isn't in any way, shape or form a factor that people stress about to an overwhelming degree. It makes better TV than reality...reality is that it's actually easier to catch than you would think because people have a tendency to not be able to keep their mouths shut and it leaves more breadcrumbs than you would expect. Ultimately, while something we should fix for peace-of-mind about electoral outcomes...it's a real zero factor. People who mis-vote (mean to vote for a different candidate than they cast a ballot for) are a bigger threat to electoral legitimacy than electronic voting.
less high-tech shenanigans at the local level (e.g., compromised bags of votes): Interesting is that this, all the way down the list, is the most-serious realistic problem. We're pretty sure this actually has occurred. In VA this past election cycle where I was an elections observer, it was clearly attempted by campaign operatives from the Cuchinelli campaign and was thwarted by the Republican Supervisor of Elections in Fairfax County. His name is Brian W. Schoeneman and he was the target of a lot of unfounded accusations both here and elsewhere when he did his job precisely in the way he was supposed to thwart election fraud. (Disclosure: I'm biased. I wrote a letter after the election to Gov. McAuliffe voicing my strong support that Mr. Schoeneman be considered for one of the two open partisan (slated-for-the-GOP) vacancies during next year's appointment cycle on the VA elections-review board.) In WI, it happens virtually every election in the same county and though we know it and who is doing it... we have not yet managed to catch her in the act.
A relentless M$M drumbeat against Pres. Obama and against Dems: Didn't make a difference in 1996 or 2012. Do we really think this has an effect? Evidence would suggest less than ever before. Too many alternative sources of information and too few people relying on mainstream media as their sole news source.
a relentless framing of policy issues by the M$M and even the corporodem Democratic party leadership in Republican terms: Ibid. Framing is important but it's not changing elections. People vote guns, abortion and marriage equality...and all the framing in the world isn't swaying too many minds on those issues.
continual Dem leadership snottiness toward the liberal base:This has been the case since the 1970s. While it annoys me as a liberal, I don't think it has any impact or ever will unless we have a legitimate liberal alternative. It's like that Eddie Izzard skit, Cake or Death? ("What do you mean there's no cake left? So my choices are '...or death?'" We may hate the snotty leadership but we still vote Democratic because we like reproductive choice and not stoning the gays.
What could go wrong? Less than you think?
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Millennials like myself are not going to stand for their anti gay, anti immigration (among other things) crap. It's over for them.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)You're right, generally voters like to switch things after 8 years. The reason they didn't in 1988 is that Dukakis was a really weak candidate. If you look at the GOP field right now, they're headed towards nominating their version of Dukakis with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz being the frontrunners.
Kablooie
(18,605 posts)If they gain the whole congress they will throw bill after bill of horrifying, soul destroying measures at Obama so he will have to spend all his time turning them down.
Then they will have another issue to exploit in 2016.
I'm glad I live in California.
Maybe I'll just have to shut out the rest of the country and just try to appreciate what my state can accomplish.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)we have been hearing this crap for more than 20 years, and during that time the far right has taken complete control of every facet of our lives. Two things need to be repaired
1. The fascist media juggernaut needs to be demolished, in one form or another
2. Our party needs to decide what voters they want to serve, and do it. Right now the "base" consists of the shrinking minority who believe that the DC Dems want to and can rescue the country from the fascists.
totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)some major changes which I don't think they'll do. And that's great. But I am more concerned with the short term damage they could do if they win the 2014 election. We can't just sit back and wait for demography to make a difference. We have got to work hard to defeat them now. Too much is at stake.