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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:43 PM

J. Carney just shakes his head looks down and just

does a crappy job of refuting McCains tired and old talking points of how our President should never have withdrawn from Iraq, should have acted much sooner with regards to ISIS and a host of other pro-war bullshit..

When will the Democratic Party finally produce someone who can kick some ass and understands how to shut someone like McCain and his Gish Gallop technique down in a televised debate..

For 6 yrs I have not seen one Democrat pounce on the bullshit which Republicans spew everyday on National T.V. And I am fully aware of the help they get from Corporate backed payed liars who pretend they are balanced..

I refuse to provide a link to CNN in order to show todays event..Perhaps someone can help find a link which showed most of the debate.

In the meantime, a definition of a much used technique by liars and bull shit artists.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Gish%20Gallop

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:48 PM

1. Anyone hear mccain speaking OVER Carney,

who was simply not able to make his points???

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:52 PM

2. Yep and that is exactly what the Gish Gallop technique calls for..

Problem is there just too few on our side who know how to cut these guys off...
And yes being a little gruff behavior is needed to do so...

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Response to busterbrown (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:54 PM

8. Balderdash, there are plenty on our side who know how to do what is needed

 

Those who have and do speak the truth well in debate and legislate according to reason are rejected while the mediocre and repeatedly incorrect are elevated to greater power. For example, the saps, dupes and warmongers who voted for the Iraq Invasion under Bush all got big, giant jobs from Obama while the many sterling Democrats who voted against that abomination were passed over, sent packing, insulted, dismissed, disrespected for being right.
The problem is there are just too many on our side who don't really want to counter arguments from their fellows such as McCain. Carney knows how. He just does not care to do so.

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:20 PM

4. I saw it and McCain was doing his angry old man GET OFF MY LAWN! bit

Carney was polite and Anderson Cooper did nothing to control it.

Flipped the channel and McCain is on Fox already. Smiling happy. He, Hannity, Ollie North, Some former Colonel discussed how our "Win" in Iraq has been squandered by Obama.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:12 PM

3. Carney is one of those weak ass democrats no wonder the Obama Administration reponds to what rethugs

 

Say if there are more like Carney in the Administration this is a problem

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:31 PM

5. The lack of interest in actively supporting, explaining, promoting

or otherwise providing any alternative to the conventional/media narrative by Democrats is one of the main reasons why our politics is now hopeless.

Of course I understand WHY this is happening. Money is the great simplifier.

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Response to busterbrown (Original post)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:32 AM

6. It's hard to mount a reasoned defense when you're complicit with the GOP from the get-go.

 

The old good cop/bad cop routine

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:11 PM

7. Exactly. Dems would have to launch a "people's wing" of the party first...

and oust all the corporate tools/Trojan Horses.

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