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Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:24 PM

Ammendment VIII ...U.S Constitution..."Cruel and Unusual Punshiments Inflicted"..

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

You be the judge...was what Bush and Cheney did...."cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" ?

Also from the U.S. Constitution...

"The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.."
Article Six, Clause two..

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."


The Supremacy Clause is the provision in Article Six, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution that establishes the United States Constitution, federal statutes, and treaties as "the supreme law of the land." It provides that these are the highest form of law in the United States legal system, and mandates that all state judges must follow federal law when a conflict arises between federal law and either a state constitution or state law of any state.

Are Bush and Cheney above the U.S. Constitution??

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Stuart G Dec 2014 OP
Autumn Dec 2014 #1
Stuart G Dec 2014 #2
Warpy Dec 2014 #3
Stuart G Dec 2014 #5
jmowreader Dec 2014 #4
Name removed Dec 2014 #6
arcane1 Dec 2014 #7
blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #8

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:28 PM

1. Yes they are. Who will prosecute them? Obama's DOJ?

Not. Going. To. Happen.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:32 PM

2. I don't care, they broke the law, Bush and Cheney are not above the law.

This is what I believe.. They may think they are, but we will see. Anyone who knows what cruel and unusual punishment could be, will decide.
.Bush can rot in his own hell and defend..... "rectal feeding" till the day he dies..
They should both have to defend "rectal feeding"..and answer questions about it. Also, what about 80 million given to the psychologists who came up with this shit...Who are they?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:39 PM

3. Nor should it.

After all, the GOP are still trying to get payback for Nixon's removal from office, even though the GOP itself withdrew its support and Goldwater advised Nixon to step down because he would certainly be impeached, removed, and possibly jailed if he didn't.

Think of what they'd do if a president prosecuted the preceding administration. Maybe the next president will be able to do it. Maybe we'll have to wait longer.

However, remember that the average time to get tyrants prosecuted is about 20 years. It took them 30 to prosecute Pinochet and they still haven't gotten to much of his gang, nor will they get to the rich fascists who created him.

Cheney will likely die in bed in torment knowing that all his evil machinations were for nothing and that he has to leave his money behind. We might yet be able to try the rest of them.

I'd like to think that the arc of the universe bends toward justice, albeit slowly. I rather think the universe itself is neutral. It's up to us to remember these men and what they did and never let anyone around us forget.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:45 PM

5. I like this line you wrote..."....his evil machinations were for nothing...."

"Cheney will likely die in bed in torment knowing that all his evil machinations were for nothing, and that he has to leave his money behind."

That is the key of the report, it was for nothing. The torture got nothing of value...They can defend the torture, and those that decided to do it, but it did not work. Think of what this says about the United States? and Bush and Cheney?

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 08:44 PM

4. No

During the war, Doonesbury did a strip...one of the characters who was in the sandbox went downrange to kill a family who his Iraqi interpreter said had done some heinous thing that death was the only suitable punishment for.

"When did he do it?"
'3500 years ago.'

Back to the point: it's not technically punishment because very few of them, IF ANY, were tried and convicted of doing whatever it is they were supposed to have done. No, what really happened is we rounded up a bunch of camel farmers who'd managed to piss one of the local warlords off, shipped them to Guantanamo and shoved pork chops up their asses for ten years because it was more fun to do that than to feed them in the normal fashion.

It's not cruel and unusual punishment because we did not intend to punish, we intended to torture. Make sure you call it that.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 09:53 PM

7. Nice try. It was citizens who ordered the punishment. Thus, they violated the Constitution.

 

There is no way around that fact.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:26 PM

8. Lawless Nation.

 

"D" & "R"

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