Sanders, Warren, and Clinton most liberal - O'Malley, Cuomo, Webb, Biden most conservative.

[musicblind]

Interesting story and data from Crowdpac and CNN. This is based on votes, donors, and previous actions of position.

Here is a link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/politics/crowdpac-video-and-story/

Out of all of them, Sanders was the most liberal and Biden the most conservative.

Out of the Republican field, Christie was the most liberal and Paul was the most conservative.

Here is an excerpt:

Progressives deride her as cozy with Wall Street but Hillary Clinton appears to be a near-ideological equal on banking policy with Elizabeth Warren, the liberal crusader for financial reform.

That convention-busting piece of data is one of the many surprises released Wednesday from a novel political ranking system that uses public campaign finance data to plot where potential White House contenders fall on the political spectrum. The results were provided exclusively to CNN before Wednesday's release.

A lot of interesting information. I never knew Biden and Christie were so close on the political spectrum. I love Biden but don't like Christie. It's a strange feeling seeing all of that.

[shenmue]

1. But that will mess up a lot of people's theories!

What will they do now?

[BlueStater]

2. When Jim Webb is one of our most prominent candidates, you know we have problems.

Pathetic. Also pathetic that O'Malley and the much-despised Cuomo are the only candidates in that group who are under 65.

[djean111]

3. Yes, when it comes to choosing a candidate to support, and being told if they are liberal

or conservative, I certainly hang on CNN's every word.
Not.
Gee, Warren rightly excoriates banks, and Hillary feels sorry for them because we are picking on them. Yeah, that sounds about equal.
Anyway - TPP. I will not excuse or get past the TPP.

[musicblind]

4. What does this have to do with the Clinton/Warren issue? And CNN is simply siting the data found by

by the political data company Crowdpac. The data they use is publicly available everywhere. So it isn't like this is an opinion. This is fact.

[djean111]

7. This -

Progressives deride her as cozy with Wall Street but Hillary Clinton appears to be a near-ideological equal on banking policy with Elizabeth Warren, the liberal crusader for financial reform.

And for me, anyone who is for the TPP, let alone helped write the damned thing, is not anywhere near a liberal.

[Maedhros]

5. Determined by

a novel political ranking system that uses public campaign finance data

There's no way that could me manipulated or misinterpreted.

[musicblind]

6. So you are saying the data is not accurate?

If you think Webb is not as conservative as they come, you are wrong. My bf lived in his state for years and got to know his politics well.

[Maedhros]

8. I'm saying that the results should be viewed critically,

and not assumed to be accurate.

Past performance is the best predictor of future behavior. Hillary has not been Liberal in the past, so I find the results of this analysis incongruous.

[musicblind]

9. But this analysis is based on past performance and campaign donations.

And why do you pick Hillary out of all the people listed? What is it with you all and your hate for Hillary? This was a simple article ranking over 20 politicians. How would skewing anything one way or another help Crowdpac as a business?

Hillary has done plenty of things that people consider liberal in the past, thus the reason for these findings. I know that causes cognitive dissonance for some people here, but it is FACT.

Would Warren make a more liberal president than Clinton, in my opinion, yes. But not everything in these forums is a Clinton/Warren debate.

[Maedhros]

19. Claiming I "hate" Hillary is, frankly, a dumb thing to say.

I very much do not want her to be President, but I don't hate her. How could I? I don't know her. I know her policies, though, and I don't want them.

[NYC Liberal]

17. Hillary HAS been Liberal in the past.

Maybe you're confusing her with someone else.

[FSogol]

11. Webb was only a one term Senator and spent his time working on prison reform issues.

He had very little impact on VA state politics.

To claim he is conservative is incorrect. He's not the kind of guy that can be pigeon-holed with labels easily. He is very liberal on certain issues and conservative on others and not always they way you would suspect.

While I don't consider myself a Webb supporter (I like O'Malley), I welcome him in the primaries, and will listen to what he has to say. He does plan on running to the left of HRC.

[zipplewrath]

23. Sample bias

I'm afraid the method used exposed it to sample bias. How many votes on the Iraq War authorization were there? Alternately how many votes were there on a wide variety of issues around gender equality (whether they were won or lost). However, many people would see that one vote as fairly definitive.

Hillary is a Hawk, but there aren't going to be a lot of votes by which to establish that, much less any of the data encompassing her work as SoS. And there aren't going to be alot of "donors" that will establish her as a hawk. But she is a hawk none the less. Probably more so than Rand Paul and Biden both.

[FSogol]

10. CNN should stick to covering still missing airplanes.

[DonCoquixote]

12. whoeever said Hillary was a leftist

needs to take a trip to Colorado and get some better herbal medicine rather than the shit they are smoking now.

"Progressives deride her as cozy with Wall Street but Hillary Clinton appears to be a near-ideological equal on banking policy with Elizabeth Warren, the liberal crusader for financial reform. "

Tee hee, really? None of this is because day by day Hillary's "INEVITABLITY" spell is fizzling, right?

[NYC Liberal]

18. Nope. Hillary Clinton is most definitely a liberal.

Maybe not as far to the left as many on DU are, but very few people are.

[LiberalFighter]

13. I would go with how they voted. Govtrack is likely a better indicator

If you google for the candidate and govtrack you will be able to retrieve a graph that plots their ideology. When I did Clinton or Biden they were pretty much in the middle of the pack of Democrats.

[Persondem]

14. Lots of folks will be plugging their ears and going " la la la la la la ..." as they ...

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... scroll past this post. God forbid facts and analysis of records actually get presented, eh?

Clinton is actually well left of Kennedy in the charts above.

Doesn't matter though ... when people have an emotional investment in a particular belief system facts don't matter. It happens a lot on the conservative side of things and can also happen on the left.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. of that list cuomo and webb are the ones i would have MOST trouble voting for

the rest i can handle.

[blkmusclmachine]

16. It's hard to be a decent DEM, when the 1% keeps stuffing your pockets to be a bad guy.

[Splinter Cell]

20. Wow....

That is a LOT of bullshit.

[TheKentuckian]

21. I agree she is more liberal than Cuomo, the rest debatable depending on how you weight things

[AtomicKitten]

22. Switch Clinton and O'Malley for accuracy.

Clinton is no liberal.
O'Malley is no conservative.