Jesus Freaking Christ!!!

[busterbrown]

Besides Obama, will progressives ever win a big election again..
Seems in the last 6 years we’ve seen stupidity rule..

I was so hoping Bibi would get his ass kicked..Show the world how the tide was gonna start moving in the right direction... Yea, Stupidity breeds fear..fear breeds Fascism,Oligarchies, Plutocracies etc..

I’m fucking depressed..

Night my good friends...

[Luke Zee]

1. Given the Nut 'n Yahoo's recent hateful statements.....

...I don't see any alternative to BDS!

[blkmusclmachine]

2. Did Israel use Diebold/SES???

[MBS]

3. Thomas Friedman in today's NYT . .

. . . Alas, we are not dealing anymore with your grandfather’s Israel, your father’s Iran or the Iraq your son or daughter went off to liberate.

Let’s start with Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud Party pretty well trounced the Labor Party leader, Isaac Herzog, in the race to form Israel’s next government. Netanyahu clearly made an impressive 11th-hour surge since the pre-election polls of last week. It is hard to know what is more depressing: that Netanyahu went for the gutter in the last few days in order to salvage his campaign — renouncing his own commitment to a two-state solution with the Palestinians and race-baiting Israeli Jews to get out and vote because, he said, too many Israeli Arabs were going to the polls — or the fact that this seemed to work.
. . .
If it seems as though we have only bad choices in the Middle East today and nothing seems to work, there is a reason: Because past is prologue, and the past has carved so much scar tissue into that landscape that it’s hard to see anything healthy or beautiful growing out of it anytime soon. Sorry to be so grim.

[mgcgulfcoast]

4. I prefer Iran to be opposed

Israeli's seem to agree.

[Martin Eden]

6. Define "opposed"

Do you mean you'd prefer thousands or perhaps millions of Iranians killed in a senseless war?

That's what Netanyahu and Republicans prefer, if their actual words and deeds are taken into account.

Barack Obama, the other world powers at the negotiating table, and most of the sane world oppose Iran taking a course towards building a nuclear weapon, which has been suspended for years.

[mgcgulfcoast]

19. opposed is simple

dont believe a word they say. they WILL continue to build nuclear weapons regardless of any worthless agreement they sign.

[Martin Eden]

20. opposed is complicated

They already HAVE nuclear weapons, if you're referring to Israel.

As for Iran, according to the US Intelligence Estimate they have not yet decided to proceed with building nuclear weapons. That's a far cry from your assertion "they WILL continue to build nuclear weapons."

Would prefer that Iran does NOT acquire nuclear weapons?

If so, then I suggest you stop agreeing with the course being set by Bibi Netanyahu and Republicans in the US Senate.

An international agreement resulting from negotiations is the best means to ensure Iran does not produce nuclear weapons. With no agreement (which would include inspections of their facilities) and with no prospect of easing sanctions, Iran would be much more likely to make the decision to proceed with weaponizing their nuclear program.

What next, then ... bomb their facilities? That might delay their program, and convince them more than ever their surest means of deterrent is to join the nuclear club. They would also be highly motivated to retaliate on many fronts. A war with Iran would not be in US national interests. The Middle East and the world in general would be a more dangerous place. Perpetual war would continue to drain our treasury, feeding the MIC while starving the poor at home.

Opposed is complicated. Taking the hardline militaristic approach may look like tough-minded opposition on the surface, but it's really a weak-minded reaction that would almost certainly have the opposite effect of what you want.

[avebury]

17. Iran is one of the more well educated Middle Eastern countries

with a younger generation that would be more inclined towards negotiations then if follow Israel's constant war chant. The western world has only itself to blame for the path Iran followed. After all the western world helped to overthrow a democratically elected government and put the Shah back on the throne.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34090.htm


And then wen the Iranians overthrew the Shah (leading to the American hostage situation) the US armed Iraq. We know well that turned out in the long run.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/us-overthrew-irans-democracy-1953-1979-armed-iraq-to-invade-1980-1988-now-lies-for-more-war.html


The US has to stopped making stupid bonehead moves that results in the funding of the MIC at the expense of our own economy and further blows up matters in the Middle East.

Looking at the history of the Middle East is it stupid to listen to Netanyahu, the MIC, American conservative warmongers and start to take a longer view of the region. With the way the Israelis have behaved they have lost a lot of the sympathy that gained the UN Vote for an independent country and turned them into that which they ran away from in Europe. Honest negotiations with Iran might actually have a chance because it is an educated country. Unfortunately, we will muck things up there like we do everywhere else in the Middle East.

[namastea42]

5. Completely soul crushing that he was re-elected.

We were yanked around, as usual - the news made it sound dire for Bibi the lover of death. And there he is, perched in his warm spot again.

We need some big good news. I feel like going into a dark closet and sucking my thumb.

[ladjf]

8. Every post on this site this morning was bad news.

Climate, politics, police, everything. Not one piece of encouraging news.

[Dawgs]

7. Learned many years ago that we shouldn't try to make excuses for it.

And, we should just face the facts that many people are ignorant and stupid.

[Cosmocat]

15. WINNER!

It isn't the politicians faults ... It is the people pulling the lever (and those who don't).

And, the thing that is truly amazing to me is, over the last 25 years conservatives have DEVOLVED from having some bullshit pseudo intellectual bullshit for their stupidity (CONSTITUTIONALISM, STATE'S RIGHTS, whatever) to where they are today, where they just wake up in the morning, look at the news and start screaming how it is Obama/the evil liberals fault, most times conflicting with their positions the day before, and the public just goes along with them.

[yellowcanine]

9. Well aside from trying to equate Israeli politics with U.S politics.......

Bit of an overreaction, don't you think?

[busterbrown]

10. Well they are both dominated by RightWing Ideology ..

So thats a good start.. I could go on and talk about how both controlling parties are pushing for a war with Iran and are undermining the middle class..But I won't

[hollowdweller]

11. Look how long fear and racisim have worked in the US.

Imagine if Mexico wanted back Texas and was sending bombers and lobbing explosives over the border.

We'd be 10 times more brutal with latino people and in bombing Mexico than Israel is now.

I mean look what an issue just Mexicans coming over peacefully to find work now is for the right wing.

I think the only solution in both instances is for the other party to call them out on it. However it is happening to a small extent in the US and almost not at all in Israel.

[hrmjustin]

12. Depressing.

[Corey_Baker08]

13. Israel Had Only 10,374 Polling Places For 7,000,000 Registered Voters

I Just Don't Buy It...

[FiveGoodMen]

14. "Besides Obama, will progressives ..."

No one -- NO ONE -- who supports the TPP is a progressive.

Not even in the same ballpark. Not even in the same sport.

[Cosmocat]

16. This is why I am always the wet blanket here

when people do this "the republicans are in trouble" thing.

They are WORSE today than 25 years ago, and people just follow them around like puppies.

[Arthur_Frain]

18. You're not the only one

I've sounded the alarm every time that "republicans are on their last legs" trope comes up. Been hearing it all my life and it just never comes true. Seems like there's always somebody new ready to climb onto the fear bandwagon.