2016 Postmortem
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(29,257 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Bernie knows his stuff! W Bush and Greenspan ruined this country.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)saying things like "Don't jump off of the roof", just before injuring yourself.
frylock
(34,825 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)global1
(25,241 posts)Can you imagine if the media ever got behind Bernie - how they can promote him - buy showing video clips like this and talking him up?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Why were there so few Democrats who talked to Greenspan like that?
They practically bowed down before that total failure who was a huge cause of the destruction of so many lives.
If ONLY they had listend to Bernie back then!
He is the ONLY one I can think of who has been so consistently right on the issues that there is simply no other choice for President at this time.
What a thrill to see that moron Greenspan, get a good old fashioned 'talking to', the truth which he clearly ignored as he went right on doing everything that was wrong.
jump up and applaud
Cleita
(75,480 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)It's all right there.
This is an amazingly unbelievable video!
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)silverweb
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Paka
(2,760 posts)but it is well worth posting again and again. Gotta luv Bernie!
Sancho
(9,067 posts)think of how much more he could have done over the years if he had been working with an organized party, instead of chewing out a Fed Chairman who went home, had a scotch, and laughed all the way to the bank.
Unfortunately, it takes a village to get something done. If he would join the Democrats as a Senator for the next couple terms, he might make a difference.
Theres the other side if Sen.Sanders would have proclaimed himself as Party member they would have reigned him in .He also caucasas with the Dems.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)Democrats (like me) helped elect Warren with donations even though we're not in her state. I would call my Florida delegation today and support legislation that Warren introduced. She gets support and attention from Democrats.
I've listened to Bernie for a long time on the radio. It's preaching to the choir on liberal radio. Virtually no one outside of political junkies have heard of him.
If Bernie wants serious party support, he's going to have to join the party. Perhaps it means playing nice with others, but I don't think it means Democrats can't express their ideas.
That's just my take on it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)the House, where he co-founded the Progressive Caucus along with Democrats such as Peter DeFazio, Maxine Waters and Ron Dellums. The Progressive Caucus today is the largest Democratic Caucus within the US Congress and a vital legislative tool for the progressive agenda. Bernie is still a member of that caucus as a Senator, Warren of course is not because she's to their right, a former Republican who has some nice views about finance which mostly serve those of her own extremely wealthy 1% class.
In 1992, Warren was still doing high ticket consultancy work for big corporations, taking six figure fees from the likes of Travelers Insurance, a part of Citigroup. Bernie was building an important Democratic Caucus.
According to the Democratic Party, Bernie is a Democratic candidate. What authority do you cite for claiming he is not, the Republican Party?
Sancho
(9,067 posts)Warren's economic ideas have been heard recently and she was elected, mostly as a Democrat and with Democratic support. When she committed as a Democrat, her message on banking regulations and housing were heard. It will eventually make a difference - and is influencing Obama and the current Democratic candidates.
Bernie can caucus all he wants. He needs to put a "D" on his name as a Senator. Otherwise, he can't expect endorsements, DNC support, or party efforts. He may even have issues running as a Democrat in some state primaries depending on various state laws. Many of Bernie's ideas are a tree falling in the woods - no one hears them.
I think if Bernie wants to make a difference, he should get on board. That means more than chewing out the Fed Chair. He needs to help other Democrats get elected, raise money for Democrats, etc.
Just my view I suppose.
frylock
(34,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)You know, other than their handlers at the big banks and investment firms?
Sancho
(9,067 posts)I really like the book, "Sons of Wichita: How the Koch Brothers Became America's Most Powerful and Private Dynasty" bout the Koch bothers because it told about their immoral and criminal efforts to control government, but also demonstrated the FAILURE of big money to control government. The Democratic Party defeats big money often.
Wall Street has won some battles, but they are also on the run - there's more money in the Caribbean than in NYC now! Do corporations really like having headquarters overseas, sending executives to live in other countries until they quit, watching bankers committee suicide, or dealing with the public increasingly investigating their crimes? Democrats can beat Wall Street if they can win the Presidency and Congress.
I don't believe that all the Democrats are simply beholding to Wall Street. Some are in their pockets, some play with Wall Street, but also work to increase regulations and hold them accountable, and some are openly hostile. Hillary represented NY, so she could not openly attach Wall Street as a Senator any more than someone from Florida could go after tourism or someone from Iowa could oppose agriculture. That's the nature of representative government.
As President, Obama could not repair a depressed economy and expect Wall Street cooperation at the same time. One good example. I'm a union office for a public employee union. We have 200 billion in the state retirement of public employees. We DO NOT want Bernie's Robin Hood tax. It will be a tax on our rank and file retirements. Things are not always simple.
In short, Bernie need to work with the Democratic party on a bunch of issues - and not just expect the Democrats to come to him. His message is a small slice of the big picture.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Sancho
(9,067 posts)that had cosponsors - made it though committee - got to the floor?
He's had a lot of years on the same issue. I know I've heard him for a long time on Thom Harmann. He has introduced lots of legislation with little impact.
Without backing, most of his bills (almost all) go to committee and die:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357
One example: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s1225
Introduced:
Jun 10, 2009
111th Congress, 20092010
Status:
Died in a previous Congress
This bill was introduced on June 10, 2009, in a previous session of Congress, but was not enacted.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)And here we are today. So many years later.
Corporations are now people. More equal than we, with a government of, by and for them.
Greenspan must be thrilled.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)to want to face him in a real debate (as opposed to the highly regulated choreographed pillow fights that the networks host).
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Whatever the outcome of the upcoming election, we need to see more, much more of Bernie. Here's to you, Bernie!