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Sat Jul 4, 2015, 01:34 AM

To be really honest with DUers on here, I do not like

Mrs. Clinton. I feel she thinks she is entitled since 2008. The BS she said about President Obama does not resonate well with me but if she is the Dem nominee, she will be better than any republican. Here again, a country with over 300 million people have only two parties, that is not good. The Green Party does not have a chance.

I really hope Mr. Sanders gain momentum and I really want Mr. Biden to run. I was hoping Howard Dean would run, but it seems he is not interested in running.

Some DUers forgot how mean Mrs. Clinton was during the primaries and am glad that President Obama nominated her as SOS.

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Reply To be really honest with DUers on here, I do not like (Original post)
akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 OP
SheilaT Jul 2015 #1
akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #2
murielm99 Jul 2015 #3
SunSeeker Jul 2015 #4
SheilaT Jul 2015 #5
murielm99 Jul 2015 #7
madokie Jul 2015 #8
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #12
madokie Jul 2015 #13
polynomial Jul 2015 #6
Buns_of_Fire Jul 2015 #9
DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10
Chan790 Jul 2015 #11

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:03 AM

1. I am with you.

 

I recall all too well how she was inevitable in 2008, so I keep on wanting to ask her supporters why we are not in the last part of her second term. When I do get a chance to ask that question, they get very defensive. I've actually been banned from her forum because I had the audacity to say things not 100% in her favor. And then they have the gall to complain in the rest of DU that she is ever criticized.

I see many, many problems with her candidacy. Some have to do with why I don't support her, such as her complete disconnect with ordinary Americans. Flat broke when they left the White House? Really? Did she ever have to choose between paying the electric bill or the water bill? Or buying groceries vs buying medicine?

I have another, completely separate problem with her supposed inevitability. She was inevitable in 2008, as I recall. So remind me again why we are not in the waning years of her second term.

Someone else on DU pointed out a bit ago that she has never actually won a contested election. Both of her Senate races were against opponents who were total jokes. And even though in 2000 she was essentially a carpetbagger, her opponent was a joke. Same in 2006. But when she ran for the Presidential nomination in 2008, she did incredibly poorly, and the stories of her disfunctional campaign were legion.

Her early Republicanism absolutely does not matter, and I get as impatient with those who bring it up as any dedicated Hillary supporter. Benghazi, meh. Vince Foster, who cares. The same with Bill's indiscretions. Although those latter two will be great fodder for Republicans if she does get the nomination. Too bad, because she's much more (whether you support her or don't) than that.

More to the point, we should NEVER be having an appointed candidate, other than a sitting President. If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination by campaigning through the Primary season, then good for her. I'll be horrified, but I'll still vote for her. I cannot begin to imagine the Republicans nominating someone I'd prefer over her. Not very likely they'd nominate Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, so I can safely say I'll vote for the Democrat.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 03:18 AM

2. I really like what you say, no one is entitled and it is not her time!

The shit she and her husband did to this current President is unbelievable, yet he nominated her as SOS. Watch it, she will crucify Bernie!

Hilary was never ready and will never be, she will throw Bernie under the bus to gain momentum. Gawd, when will she give up What is wrong with these idiots in the US, is it a dynasty?

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:12 AM

3. Bill Clinton came up from nothing.

There is nothing dynastic about the Clintons. They have earned everything themselves. They do not have a family history of holding government or elected positions. This dynasty business is a meme, and does not stand up to examination.

The dynasty is the Bush family, and I believe Jeb will get the nomination.

I am glad you do not get to vote in our elections.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 04:49 AM

4. Well said. Thank you. nt

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:18 AM

5. There absolutely is something dynastic these days about Hillary Clinton.

 

It first emerged in 2007, when she was the inevitable candidate. Unfortunately, she ran a terrible campaign and lost.

If she wins the nomination this time fair and square, then fine. But right now there is a dynasty meme happening in her camp. You can see it in the swooning over the possibility that Chelsea will run for office in the future. With all due respect, running for office isn't something one inherits.

Think about the recent debacle over Caroline Kennedy's swiftly aborted Senatorial campaign. She was only being considered because of her Kennedy connection. Pure dynasty association. Ms Schlossberg would not be on anyone's radar if it were not for her birth name.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:34 AM

7. I think you need to look up the word "dynasty" in the dictionary.

And stop switching to "dynastic" or "dynasty meme."

I have seen people swooning over the possibility of Michelle Obama running for office, or the Obama girls. So what?

Many families have a history of political service. The Kennedys are one such family.

My own family has such a service tradition. We serve at the local level of our party. Many of us are precinct committeemen, election judges, members of county planning commissions. We GOTV for Democrats and attend fundraisers and meetings. Are we a dynasty, or are we good activists?

HRC has an excellent resume. She has one of the finest legal minds of her generation. She deserves to win because she is qualified.

Chelsea has given no indication that she wants to run for office.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 07:29 AM

8. You said it

"HRC has an excellent resume. She has one of the finest legal minds of her generation. She deserves to win because she is qualified. "

I laughed my ass off at it.
What fine legal mind has she got, show me what she's done that supports that? She deserves to win. Why I ask does she deserve to win? What qualifications does she have exactly? Give me some answers

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Response to madokie (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 12:13 PM

12. You don't think her resume is qualified?

 

The rest of the Dem field doesn't have half her resume and qualifications. Not that any of that should matter, but you seem concerned.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:48 PM

13. I'm not in the least concerned about Bernie

I don't think Hillary has the qualifications that many want to think she does.
Hillary is not on my side, she is on the side of the rich and the corporations and if you can't see that on your own I can't help you, sorry

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 05:22 AM

6. the political sommelier masters in crowd development

The popular political vote paradigm in America is filled with reasoning that will resonate to win, sometimes even if it is a lie.

Many discrete political ideas slash at the nature of the social issue which displays and connects the character of their opponent is the key element to win an election.

However, far too many journalist twist the context in the truth to deceive the public to gain favor for a candidate via a pole race in numbers. MSNBC, or CNN, and Fox being the political sommelier masters in crowd development.

America would not have such an economic swindle or have this so called secret one percent society if the media was honest with integrity 911 would not have happened, moreover such things as ground zero or a recession would not exist.

That type of discretely put political wedge is what contrast one candidate from another is the key to win an election. The results of the pledges and promises of the Bush profiteering GOP shows the results. America is lied to and eventually in a war or treasury swindle.

Yet in previous elections the mainstream media will support the lie and the dynasty of the Bush Family that stratifies media revenue and commercial profiteering.

If the media had any integrity or honesty the Bush family profiteering model would be revealed and would not exist.

Itís amazing that the Bush profiteering family history is loaded with schemes going back to grandpa Prescott Bush financing the Nazi through to Herbert Walker Bush connection with the Union Pacific railroad, and George Bush profiteering in military material with the Bin Laden Royal family known to be financing the very terrorist America is fighting, Al Qaeda.

That used to be called treason. Have a happy fourth of JulyÖ

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:09 AM

9. I haven't seen "it's her turn" or "she deserves it" or the like bandied about much lately.

It's just as well it wore out pretty quickly, since I think it's been realized that such a meme doesn't sit well with voters.

Now the country has moved into the "dueling polls" phase, where every few hours they get to see a new poll from Joe's Polling Company and Bait Shop, Inc. showing that Bernie is now only 6 points behind Hillary ("with a bullet," as they say on the Billboard "Top 100" lists), and the Hillary side gets to say "That's wonderful. But he's STILL behind, isn't he?"

Once the polls get within the Magical Margin of Error, the country will finally get a chance to move to discussing the important issues -- like "Why does Bernie talk like he comes from Brooklyn?", "Ohmygerd, did you SEE the color of that pantsuit Hillary was wearing?", and "Why didn't Vermin Supreme's campaign ever get any traction?"

Then, before we know it, Election Day will be here and everyone who bothers to show up will get to scratch their head and wonder "How on earth did these two ever get on a ballot for President?"

And the best part is, in four years we get to do it all over again!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:32 AM

10. You have to be mean to confront the Rethuglicans who want to turn us into compost...

You have to be mean and willing to get your hands dirty to confront the Rethuglicans who want to turn us into compost...If I am going into war I'm going to choose William Tecumseh Sherman to lead me and not Mr. Rogers.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Sat Jul 4, 2015, 08:47 AM

11. I'm not glad she was nominated for SoS.

 

If Obama had refused her that cabinet slot...he'd likely have knifed her future opportunities to run for President. She'd be years into forced retirement at this point, not running to be the next [strike]GOP[/strike] merely-anti-liberal, pro-Wall-Street, pro-1% pro-FTA, anti-labor Democratic President of the United States.

Sorry, Barack...I really like you but I've got to give blame where due and it's your fault that Hillary is still relevant.

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