What are the chances Hillary's private servers were hacked?

[cherokeeprogressive]

I think it's time to have this discussion.

The largest retailers in the world, with all their money, are NOT immune to hacking. We know this. Millions upon millions of $'s to throw at the problem, and they get hacked. Enough money to employ the brightest minds in the industry to protect their systems, and they get hacked. Millions upon millions of American Citizens have had their personal information exposed to "bad guys" (with guns and without) who will wait until the opportunity presents itself in order to do THE FUCKING WORST THINGS IMAGINABLE with the information.

I want someone to tell me Hillary Clinton's server(s) were NOT hacked. I want them to tell me how they know. I want them to PROVE it. I want them to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Let's have a discussion about what's possible if they WERE hacked. Do we really want a President whose supposedly "private" emails could possibly be in the possession of foreign governments that our OWN governments treat as hostile entities?

Fuck Benghazi. Fuck Whitewater and EVERYTHING in between. Those are bullshit, made-up NON scandals. Fuck the "Grand Right-Wing Conspiracy".

It's time to talk about whether or not electing Hillary Clinton might be detrimental to national security.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-03-18/hillary-clinton-s-e-mail-was-vulnerable-to-spoofing-

http://gawker.com/how-unsafe-was-hillary-clintons-secret-staff-email-syst-1689393042

[hrmjustin]

1. They were not hacked.

[Duckhunter935]

4. and you know this how?

They may or may not have. My guess is the were probably not hacked but I do not know for sure.

[hrmjustin]

6. Well i just said that becausevthe op wanted someone to say they weren't hacked.

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. Does the possibility that they MIGHT have been concern you at all?

[hrmjustin]

9. No. Goverment computers get hacked everyday.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. Do you think Barack Obama's emails are in the possession of foreign governments?

[hrmjustin]

13. At this rate i think it is likely some.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. Some.

[hrmjustin]

17. Who protects his emails?

[cherokeeprogressive]

18. The same people who protect Hillary's emails?

Oops... no. Hers were off-site and therefore off-system.

[hrmjustin]

19. You do know that the secret service set up and protected the system she used don't you?

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. I also know they couldn't stop a fool with a knife

Who decided to climb the fence and run INTO THE WHITE HOUSE with it.

[hrmjustin]

46. And your point?

[cherokeeprogressive]

47. I have no confidence physical security of her server is equal to electronic security.

[hrmjustin]

48. Oh well! Has there been any evidence it was hacked?

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. And you know this how. OPM exposed 25,000,000 people to bad guys.

Did Hillary's private servers have the same grand protection?

[hrmjustin]

8. Have you read the news lately?

Have you noticed that goverment computers are not exactly secure either?

I said it because you said you wanted to hear someone say it so i said it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. Does the notion Hillary's emails, ALL OF THEM, might be in the possession of foreign governments?

[hrmjustin]

12. What makes you think they wouldn't be if she used government servers?

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. See my post #11

[hrmjustin]

16. I saw.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. 100%

Rounding to the nearest integer.

Can you fathom foreign governments not taking a crack at a server used by the SoS? And since we've heard zip about security measures in her basement, it's hard to believe that China, Russia, Israel, and many others were reading every email.

[uppityperson]

3. Huh. Words fail me. In many ways.

ETA. To start with : How do you prove a negative?

[LuvLoogie]

20. Go get her Max.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Because two words: ERIC. HOTEHAM.

Geek Squad guy.

[DURHAM D]

22. Well, Chelsea Manning copied 250K diplomatic cables

and gave them to Wikileaks. Sounds like the servers of an ex-President run by the Secret Service might be a better way to go than anything the State Department is using.

[TwilightGardener]

23. The Secret Service runs computer servers?

[hrmjustin]

24. Hers yes.

[TwilightGardener]

26. Can you find me that information? I didn't know they did SOS's cybersecurity.

[hrmjustin]

27. She used the system they set up for her husband. She made that clear in her UN press conference.

[TwilightGardener]

28. Wait, are you telling me that SS were going in daily and performing all the tasks that a

email server administrator does? System checks and all that? Somehow I doubt that.

[hrmjustin]

30. The system had been in place since 2001 with upgrades.

Former presidents are entitled to see classified information and they wish to make suretheir computers are secure.

Yes it is very logical that the ss would do this.

Especially when they knew the SOS decided to use the system.

[TwilightGardener]

33. I have not heard this anywhere. I only heard the argument that the server was somehow secure

because SS guarded the house. Which, of course, only means it's physically secure. I have not read anywhere that SS actually administers ex-Presidents' home computer networks.

[hrmjustin]

34. Watch her un press conference.

[TwilightGardener]

35. I don't remember, in any of the analysis or coverage of that presser, of learning that the Secret

Service is in the business of overseeing their cybersecurity. If that's true, then GWB's family wouldn't have been email-hacked.

[hrmjustin]

36. Well the SS is not perfect. They can be uacked.

[MannyGoldstein]

29. "It was on property guarded by the Secret Service"

Is there anothr quote that I missed?

[hrmjustin]

31. She made this very clear in her UN speach.

She used the system they had in place for her husband.

Didn't you watch her press conference?

[MannyGoldstein]

37. No, didn't watch it.

But the only relevant quotes by Hillary that I can find is that the server was physically guarded by the Secret Service.

Maybe my Google-fu sucks tonight?

[hrmjustin]

38. You should watch it.

[MannyGoldstein]

39. Got a link?

I want to make sure I don't watch the wrong one.

[hrmjustin]

40. I believe she said it was the system the secret service set up.

[MannyGoldstein]

41. Transcript indicates that the Secret Service only physically guarded it

http://time.com/3739541/transcript-hillary-clinton-email-press-conference/

[hrmjustin]

45. She said there were safeguards and it was protected by the SS.

CLINTON: Well, the system we used was set up for President Clinton’s office. And it had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches.

[tularetom]

49. Protected by the Secret Service, eh?

You mean these guys?

http://time.com/3449641/secret-service-scandal/

Earlier this year, three agents were sent home from a trip to the Netherlands after getting drunk the night before the President was set to arrive.

In 2013, two agents were removed from Presidential security detail after sending sexually inappropriate emails to a colleague, which was uncovered when one of the agents was discovered trying to forcefully enter a woman’s hotel room after forgetting a bullet inside.

In 2012, eight agents were fired after it emerged that they had allegedly solicited prostitutes while on an on-duty trip to Colombia.

In 2001, an agent admitted to having stolen nearly $3,000 in cash that the Secret Service had taken as evidence in the years prior.

Forgive me if that doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

[hrmjustin]

51. Well there is no evidence it was hacked.

[840high]

54. No evidence it wasn't.

[Sheepshank]

60. Logics....can't prove a negative

But you can prove that it was hacked. So go for it and let us know what you found out.

[Agschmid]

25. Everyone who applied for a Federal Govt. job for the last 15 years was also just hacked...

Where is your outrage on that one?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/09/politics/office-of-personnel-management-data-breach-20-million/index.html

Doesn't matter where/who has the server everything is hackable.

[tularetom]

32. There is no chance in the world that they WEREN'T hacked

The question is, what information was on them that could possibly threaten national security.

Like you, I'd like that question answered, but I don't think it ever will be.

And I'd like to know if she has learned anything from the experience, but I doubt that's gonna happen either.

So if she tells us it won't happen again I guess we'll just have to have faith in her.

Is that good enough for you?

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. Nnnnnnope.

[tularetom]

50. Didn't think so. Me either.

[pa28]

42. We've been spying on the executive branch foreign counterparts for years. That's known.

Wikileaks made that perfectly clear and I think it's reasonable to assume they do the same to us.

Did Hillary have some kind of advanced security protocol in her basement that was better than the State Department's to prevent this from happening? Doubt it.

I really hope she knew her correspondence was vulnerable and kept a lid on anything damaging. If we find out later during the general election campaign that she was hacked and sensitive information got out it's going to look like negligence and she'll be attacked for incompetence.

[Capn Sunshine]

52. Believe the worst. It's what you do.

Certainly she just used an out of the box server she bought second hand from hackersRus. Despite Secret Service protection and administration by their agents, she insisted on ignoring their pleas and used "password " for her password. And never installed any security software.

Because, all along, she wanted you and the others at DU to have a reason.

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. What are the chances Hillary eats puppies?

I think it is time we had this conversation.

Of course she does. Why wouldn't she? She is evil, as we all know.

[silenttigersong]

55. Honestly

This just makes Hillary Clinton appear to be special,regarding her private emails ect as opposed to us little people and our privacy.Thank you Edward Snowden.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. It's amazing how shook Madame Secretary has some people.

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[JoePhilly]

57. Got any evidence they were??

Didn't think so.

[Purveyor]

58. 99.9999999999999% eom

[silenttigersong]

59. Oh

Probobly just emails from her "Foriegn friends"and donations for the Clinton Foundation.