Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:02 AM

BooScout (10,406 posts)

I like Sanders, really I do......BUT...

I actually like Sanders, but I've always been to the left.

What disturbs me about Sanders is this. He was never a Democrat until he decided to run for President. He is using the party to run. Why after 73 years does he only now decide the Democrats are good enough for him? He's anti establishment and he is running on the premise that he's a fresh face, yet he's playing the system like the best of them do.

It was my understanding that Sanders was initially in this race to drive the party left. With all due respect, is that not a job for an actual Democrat, not a party outsider? And now it seems the tone has changed and he's in it to win it.

He's got a lot of great ideas floating around out there, with absolutely nothing proposed on how to pay for them.

Sanders is not a negative campaigner. That's a wonderful thing, but hey! This is the reality.... National politics for the Presidency is BRUTAL. We know that Clinton is prepared to attack her GOP opponent's position on the issues and hammer home on them. They have been screeching BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! at Clinton for years now and it rolls right off her teflon shield. They have investigated her 8 times about that clap trap and she has slapped them down every single time. When they start yelling SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST! SOCIALIST! at Sanders will he be able to do the same?

It may not matter to me and you that Bernie Sanders has a child out of wedlock. It may not matter that he's a self described Socialist, but you can damn well bet that the Republican party will absolutely crucify him on those two points if it ever comes to him vs a Republican.....and what else is out there on him? The press has not even started to scrutinize him. He is the darling of the left right now because he has not been on the national radar of voters before. He's 73 years old and it has taken him that long to get there. Remember this, the Clintons too were once the darling of the left many, many years ago. They have stood in the blast of the furnace issuing from the right for over 30 years and survived and thrived among the nastiest politics I have ever seen thrown at them. I cannot in good faith say that Sanders will be able to do the same.

I'll also say this. Clinton is 67. If she were to win and win two terms, she would would be 76 at the end of her last term. Sanders is 73, at the end of his first term he would be 78. Could he even have the stamina of going a second round of a national campaign? Would the nation elect someone who would be in his 80's as President? I want a two term Democrat, not a one term one.

These are hard thoughts and questions, but the honeymoon period for Sanders is ending. If it's serious, we need to be asking some serious and hard questions.

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I like Sanders, really I do......BUT... (Original post)	BooScout	Jul 2015	OP
parties are a state of mind	hollysmom	Jul 2015	#1
Your sincere concern is noted.	HERVEPA	Jul 2015	#2
Dismissive tripe	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#77
Dismissive tripe is what I'd call the op.	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#81
Post removed	Post removed	Jul 2015	#87
+1	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2015	#96
Hopefully you have noticedBernie supporters ......	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#99
A thread started by a Hillary supporter	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#103
OP is an Attack? You need to get a thicker skin	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#106
I count at least 7 attacks in the op.	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#126
+1. Well stated.	GoneFishin	Jul 2015	#282
it is as much an attack as threads that Clinton supporters	karynnj	Jul 2015	#284
Oh I know	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2015	#133
I'm not worried at all.	George II	Jul 2015	#294
Your concern is noted.	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#98
You must be very concerned for Bernie...I would be too	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#100
I think you need a dictionary.	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#108
Your subtlety is noted.	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#109
This message was self-deleted by its author	Freelancer	Jul 2015	#127
As everyone keeps saying,	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#238
This message was self-deleted by its author	Freelancer	Jul 2015	#256
I consider all the Dem candidates	RichVRichV	Jul 2015	#260
This message was self-deleted by its author	Freelancer	Jul 2015	#272
Oh bull--you apparently don't know what "concern trolling" is.	MADem	Jul 2015	#130
Excellent post, MADem!	calimary	Jul 2015	#224
Thanks!	MADem	Jul 2015	#228
See post 258 for a rebuttal of every point. n/t	Admiral Loinpresser	Jul 2015	#261
Knock it off	tavalon	Jul 2015	#113
I dare no I triple dog dare the Republicans to make Levi an issue.	Kalidurga	Jul 2015	#3
Well said!	emsimon33	Jul 2015	#5
The difference is Sanders admits he is a socialist.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#8
They won't when they realize they are socialist.	Kalidurga	Jul 2015	#9
With all due respect....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#10
You swear fealty to a political party and consider yourself enlightened?	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#28
Last time I checked.....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#52
Read the rules again.	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#101
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2015	#198
you old dawg you!	BooScout	Jul 2015	#208
That's a major mindset change and is not going to happen between now and election day.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#11
Given that they've been oblivious	okasha	Jul 2015	#241
Everyone I talk to gets it and most the people I talk to are conservative family members.	Kalidurga	Jul 2015	#247
The US Military is the largest Socialist system in the world.	tecelote	Jul 2015	#279
America is a socialist Democracy as it is today, when it comes right down to it	madokie	Jul 2015	#16
LOL.. "we the people" don't agree with you..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#19
Thats assuming that we're talking about and comparing	madokie	Jul 2015	#22
I doubt most voters would know the difference.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#23
Thats not what you stated as truth though	madokie	Jul 2015	#26
Since we are mincing words here I thought he calls himself a "Democratic Socialist"??	DCBob	Jul 2015	#37
Matters not which comes first	madokie	Jul 2015	#41
Are you kidding.. there is huge difference..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#49
Whatever	madokie	Jul 2015	#54
Before lecturing others, you might	TM99	Jul 2015	#110
Double talk.	okasha	Jul 2015	#242
I don't think people care	kacekwl	Jul 2015	#56
Then you are sticking your head in the sand	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#78
The charts above	Mnpaul	Jul 2015	#168
If this terrible label is hurting him,	Admiral Loinpresser	Jul 2015	#263
The New Deal: Socialism in action	tavalon	Jul 2015	#118
I think they're asking people to react to the word--and Frank Luntz and his "Words that work" crew	MADem	Jul 2015	#269
the republiCON base aren't in our camp anyway	madokie	Jul 2015	#276
Remember when "Progressive" was a dirty, scary word?	MannyGoldstein	Jul 2015	#46
Well shit.. "progressive" to the ignorant masses is a new Walmart down the road.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#61
Bernie doesn't have a few years to change internal thinking of thie US population.	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#79
Who else is going to change it?	MannyGoldstein	Jul 2015	#80
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2015	#201
Wow, I think you just proved that Republicans are old	tavalon	Jul 2015	#117
Down this road again Bob?	99Forever	Jul 2015	#32
Sorry if the truth is difficult for you.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#34
In what Universe is your OPINION called truth, Bob?	99Forever	Jul 2015	#38
Pluto maybe	madokie	Jul 2015	#44
More like Universe Hillary...	99Forever	Jul 2015	#47
I'm sure they do	madokie	Jul 2015	#48
Not my opinion.. it's the voter's opinion.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#66
linking back to one of your earlier post is laughable	madokie	Jul 2015	#278
Here's another poll.. but you probably wont like it either.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#293
Whow. Thanks for this post. I do	riversedge	Jul 2015	#302
Most of the people with a real problem with the word "socialist".....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#50
I am talking about this as an issue in the general should he somehow win the Dem nomination.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#67
Me too....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#68
Ok, so you are saying those types wouldn't vote for Democrat regardless.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#70
You believe Hillary would have a stronger appeal with independents?	daleanime	Jul 2015	#73
Yes. Not sure what the laughing is all about... I guess you don't keep up with the polls.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#83
Is it the same as a month ago?	daleanime	Jul 2015	#89
This poll was taken June 26-28.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#92
And the poll from May?	daleanime	Jul 2015	#146
what about it??	DCBob	Jul 2015	#160
Was it the same?	daleanime	Jul 2015	#177
I have no idea?	DCBob	Jul 2015	#179
Because that's what's important....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#181
So you know? Not interested in playing games.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#183
Excuse me, I was neither rude or disrespectful....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#190
Sorry, but you are not excused.. if you have something to say.. just say it.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#244
No problem, I'll be as patient with you as necessary....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#248
WTF?	DCBob	Jul 2015	#249
Short version, you have my sympathies, you've proven that you need them....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#251
WTFF? Sympathies? You are one confused individual.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#254
No, just a sympathetic one...	daleanime	Jul 2015	#257
Easily solved	tavalon	Jul 2015	#116
Some folks seem to just want it to be a problem....	daleanime	Jul 2015	#178
Yup, seems they have a Levi in their closet too	tavalon	Jul 2015	#114
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jul 2015	#197
Proposals to pay for his plans.	Stevepol	Jul 2015	#216
Oh thanks I was just going off the top of my head and didn't go back and listen to the last speech..	Kalidurga	Jul 2015	#222
Our elected officials are aging	udbcrzy2	Jul 2015	#4
Carlos Danger wrote as much yesterday.	Wilms	Jul 2015	#6
A person I know who is a political illiterate brought up this age thing up with Bernie this evening	emsimon33	Jul 2015	#7
The whole of the 'CON party attacked Jack Kennedy as too young	madokie	Jul 2015	#18
Political parties are a way to organize to help candidates win elections.	femmedem	Jul 2015	#12
I like your Carlos Danger handle much more.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Jul 2015	#13
Huh?	BooScout	Jul 2015	#15
They're accusing you of being someone else since they can't handle what you're saying.	Cha	Jul 2015	#236
This is just sad....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#240
IOW the typical MO. Now you know. I've seen it so many times it's just boring.. sorry	Cha	Jul 2015	#243
Thanks!	BooScout	Jul 2015	#246
+1	artislife	Jul 2015	#60
I would challenge the "not a nagative campaigner" concept	Cosmocat	Jul 2015	#14
There are alot of major question marks about Sanders..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#17
Lets hear these major questions that make him a risky candidate	madokie	Jul 2015	#20
Here are a few off the top of my head..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#21
Please proceed	madokie	Jul 2015	#24
I know you wouldn't worry about any of these things..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#33
Geeze man	madokie	Jul 2015	#39
Look at the screen name	Depaysement	Jul 2015	#53
I know	madokie	Jul 2015	#57
!	Depaysement	Jul 2015	#58
Gee, if you just switch genders	artislife	Jul 2015	#55
The Bronx accent will be a big plus	redstateblues	Jul 2015	#264
Replies and rebuttal.	TM99	Jul 2015	#25
He says he's a Democratic Socialist.	Renew Deal	Jul 2015	#30
That's what I said.	TM99	Jul 2015	#31
And your regular everyday uninformed voter is going to get that difference??	DCBob	Jul 2015	#36
Yes, of course.	TM99	Jul 2015	#40
yeah.. right. You forgot we live in a "Fox educated" world.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#51
Not a lot of Democrats	TM99	Jul 2015	#75
General election issue.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#84
Again, so what?	TM99	Jul 2015	#86
Are you interested in keeping a Democrat in the WH??	DCBob	Jul 2015	#90
My only interest is in getting	TM99	Jul 2015	#91
Hillary is not as liberal as Bernie but she is far more liberal than any GOPer.	DCBob	Jul 2015	#93
Yes, indeedy, Hillary Clinton	TM99	Jul 2015	#97
So the question is do you want to go with a "number 13" liberal who will likely win the WH or..	DCBob	Jul 2015	#102
Yes, I will take the risk.	TM99	Jul 2015	#105
Hillary Clinton will hand this election to the worst of the worse if she is our nominee	madokie	Jul 2015	#275
Look at you all about party unity and	SwampG8r	Jul 2015	#298
Precisely! n/t	BooScout	Jul 2015	#42
Really don't	kacekwl	Jul 2015	#62
I love your speaking the truth	daybranch	Jul 2015	#74
"His oddball past?"	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#104
-- his extreme approach to banking reforms	frylock	Jul 2015	#252
I know, right?	gollygee	Jul 2015	#301
What is his "oddball past?"	gollygee	Jul 2015	#300
Guns, can his stance... NOT LOSE votes in south side KC or Chi Town!? I doubt it dearly	uponit7771	Jul 2015	#268
Not at all	madokie	Jul 2015	#274
Guns are NOT a worry in South Side KC? Chi Town, Fifth Ward?! You KIDDING?! These are predeomantly	uponit7771	Jul 2015	#288
I did not insinuate anything of the kind	madokie	Jul 2015	#289
More dismissiveness vs addressing the obvious that Bernies gun stance isn't going to play well were	uponit7771	Jul 2015	#290
You have no idea	madokie	Jul 2015	#291
More condescending ad homs,indicator of a weak position on the issue of Bernies stance on guns	uponit7771	Jul 2015	#292
When they have no counter to the debate....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#295
Bull	HERVEPA	Jul 2015	#287
The answer as to why Sanders is running as a Democrat, and is quite simple. He told us he will NOT	still_one	Jul 2015	#27
If Sanders won, his presidency would resemble Pope Benedict	Renew Deal	Jul 2015	#29
Oh, okay..	frylock	Jul 2015	#253
Sanders has been caucusing with Democrats sincehegot into office, he's voted with....	marble falls	Jul 2015	#35
Says the person...	99Forever	Jul 2015	#43
I am a US CITIZEN	BooScout	Jul 2015	#69
He is a true democrat, believing in the things that are consistent with	rainy	Jul 2015	#45
If he is a Democrat why does he still have I behind is name as a congressional member?	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#170
Because the Democrats in office are the	rainy	Jul 2015	#280
He does not represent Democrat values on every issue.	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#283
Granted, this one has a little more honey with the vinegar, but your avatar was a dead giveaway	corkhead	Jul 2015	#59
I have a suggestion for you.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#63
You mean laugh at the fact that this person pathetically rec'd their own OP?	corkhead	Jul 2015	#64
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." W. Shakespeare	R. P. McMurphy	Jul 2015	#65
Ooooh Nice!	wendylaroux	Jul 2015	#164
I think he is the opposite of a DINO, a Democrat in everything but name. Howard Dean would agree,	seaglass	Jul 2015	#71
some republicans say the party left them an that is why they voted for Obama	daybranch	Jul 2015	#72
The Third Way and DLC total betrayal of Franklin Roosevelt ecomonic system?	Thinkingabout	Jul 2015	#152
What Disturbs Me About You Is This.....	global1	Jul 2015	#76
Not an attack piece at all...	BooScout	Jul 2015	#82
The Repugs Will Pounce On Any Dem Candidate That Makes It To The Nomination.....	global1	Jul 2015	#94
LOL.....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#95
The Republicans have been pouncing on Hillary since at least '92.	LuvLoogie	Jul 2015	#111
Why waste all this time with concerns over someone you don't think will win in the first place?	arcane1	Jul 2015	#227
Why don't you try that again minus the personal attacks? n/t	seaglass	Jul 2015	#115
With the likes of Trump & Cruz Dems have a real opportunity to shave off Rep voters	Sheepshank	Jul 2015	#85
You understood wrong.	LWolf	Jul 2015	#88
Thank you. I was going to ask the same thing but you put it better than I could.	historylovr	Jul 2015	#122
I like Hillary, BUT...	onecaliberal	Jul 2015	#107
He can't win as an independent	tavalon	Jul 2015	#112
I too worry about how he would pay for these things	rock	Jul 2015	#119
You know when you see a title like this	artislife	Jul 2015	#120
Ageism anyone ?	CTBlueboy	Jul 2015	#121
"with absolutely nothing proposed on how to pay for them"...	ljm2002	Jul 2015	#123
I'll keep this short	retrowire	Jul 2015	#124
This makes me think you don't know much about Bernie's time in Congress nor about the Democratic	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#125
PROGRESSIVE is NOT a synonym for DEMOCRATIC.	MADem	Jul 2015	#207
What kind of DEMOCRATIC Party do we want?	Martin Eden	Jul 2015	#265
"Progressive values" mean different things to different people.	MADem	Jul 2015	#267
A crashed economy and disastrous wars mean different things to different people, you suppose	Martin Eden	Jul 2015	#285
No--I think a crashed economy means the same to pretty much everyone.	MADem	Jul 2015	#286
It's a shame your polite opinion has been met with personal insult and invective.	MADem	Jul 2015	#128
Thanks....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#132
I pointedo out the gaping hole in the OP's knowledge of the Party and the person, offered a whole	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#134
If the shoe does not fit you, I would encourage you to not try to cram your foot into it.	MADem	Jul 2015	#137
And look how your pal goes after me. Look at that. Does not respond in any way to all that I wrote	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#192
Look, I was responding to the post that STARTED THIS THREAD--if you want a fight, I	MADem	Jul 2015	#196
you need to calm down...	BooScout	Jul 2015	#203
And please share your credentials....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#138
in all fairness I respect Bluenorthwest opinion, to me he's one of the good guys.	William769	Jul 2015	#182
I will if he will...	BooScout	Jul 2015	#200
You and I agree maybe 5% of the time	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2015	#262
So rather than respond to what I offered, you question my record?	Bluenorthwest	Jul 2015	#189
you questioned or rather condemned my own knowledge first....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#199
And, who couldn't have predicted that?	Cha	Jul 2015	#235
No one wants to discuss even sincere concerns.	MADem	Jul 2015	#266
I know.. they feel so strongly about their candidate.. I would think they could be able	Cha	Jul 2015	#273
If You Like Sanders...	aintitfunny	Jul 2015	#129
He's still not actually a Democrat.	William769	Jul 2015	#131
You stand corrected.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#135
Show me where he is a declared Democrat, then I'll stand corrected.	William769	Jul 2015	#136
Find it yourself.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#139
So then you can't. Ok.	William769	Jul 2015	#140
Try looking up the definitions of can't and won't.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#144
Try this.	William769	Jul 2015	#147
Don't care.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#148
Typical.	William769	Jul 2015	#150
did he mean don't care	BooScout	Jul 2015	#154
Yes you are.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#155
So I guess you really didn't mean bu bye?	William769	Jul 2015	#157
Guess I didn't.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#161
Well that's obvious	ConservativeDemocrat	Jul 2015	#206
Is that what happened?	99Forever	Jul 2015	#210
I really wish individual posts had a LIKE button.	BooScout	Jul 2015	#151
It's on my website. Feel free to use it when needed.	William769	Jul 2015	#156
Thanks!	BooScout	Jul 2015	#159
That's fantastic! nt	onehandle	Jul 2015	#209
lol	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2015	#174
I think you upset someone.	BooScout	Jul 2015	#141
I don't.	William769	Jul 2015	#142
I'm the op....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#143
And you would be wrong again.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#153
nah.....I'm usually correct....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#158
It's don't and you aren't.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#166
Does this mean you care?	BooScout	Jul 2015	#169
You are most certainly touched.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#172
It's not nice to call names....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#175
Names?	99Forever	Jul 2015	#176
Rofl :)	Cha	Jul 2015	#239
He has said otherwise, so I am afraid YOU stand corrected.	MADem	Jul 2015	#145
Thank you.	William769	Jul 2015	#149
The poster has made an incorrect assertion, and won't provide proof because there isn't any.	MADem	Jul 2015	#162
Agreed.	William769	Jul 2015	#163
My point exactly n/t	BooScout	Jul 2015	#165
+1000000000000000000	Little Star	Jul 2015	#171
Cannot dispute this.	calimary	Jul 2015	#223
How is he corrected? Sanders is not a Democrat but an Independent.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#180
It isn't.	Bobbie Jo	Jul 2015	#184
Lol yes it is funny to watch.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#185
Sennator Sanders is a declared candidate for the Democratic Party's..	99Forever	Jul 2015	#186
He is not a registered Democrat. Are you claiming here is?	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#187
Registered where?	99Forever	Jul 2015	#211
Forgive me for using logic and facts. I know it was very mean of me.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#212
Way to dodge the question.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#213
Seems like you are dodging and wasting my time.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#214
Hey, if you can't or won't answer the question, just say so.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#215
Sanders has made clear his whole career he was never a member of the Democratic Party.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#217
That wasn't the question.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#218
Vermont does not have registration by party.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#219
No.	99Forever	Jul 2015	#220
Actually it doesn't because Schunlin, Leahy, ans Walsh identify as Democrats.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#221
...	99Forever	Jul 2015	#225
From your posts i didn't think you were capable of having one.	hrmjustin	Jul 2015	#226
....	99Forever	Jul 2015	#229
Jury results.	zeemike	Jul 2015	#270
Yeah. So what?	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#193
What matters is I am A Democrat.	William769	Jul 2015	#195
The Democratic Party is a tool for getting things done.	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#204
It's not Bernie's tool....	BooScout	Jul 2015	#281
Wow, really? Link?	frylock	Jul 2015	#255
II like Hillary I really do But	silenttigersong	Jul 2015	#167
Awwww - Anthony Weiner - AKA Carlos Danger!!!!! (that name begs for exclamation points) - beat ya to	djean111	Jul 2015	#173
Has Sanders actually said he entered the race to drive the Democratic Party left?	WorseBeforeBetter	Jul 2015	#188
No need to ask any more questions, Martin O'Malley has been a Democrat since birth,	elleng	Jul 2015	#191
"I like Bernie BUT..." always precedes nonsense.	Maedhros	Jul 2015	#194
Your "understanding" is false. He has been in this race to get elected, period.	arcane1	Jul 2015	#202
He did us Dems a HUGE favor by not running as an Independent.	PotatoChip	Jul 2015	#205
I agree	gwheezie	Jul 2015	#234
I can't help but feel like this is a complete joke	bobbobbins01	Jul 2015	#230
I don't know why we rise to the bait	Rosa Luxemburg	Jul 2015	#245
Yeah, I should have kept my mouth shut	bobbobbins01	Jul 2015	#271
remember forrest gump	restorefreedom	Jul 2015	#231
Youre a serious person with seriously serious concerns that seriously need to be addressed seriously	Scootaloo	Jul 2015	#232
And, you know, we have to make HARD choices.	FlatBaroque	Jul 2015	#250
I think it's a legit concern for any dem running	gwheezie	Jul 2015	#233
That is what the primary race is for -- for him to prove he is the best candidate overall.	aikoaiko	Jul 2015	#237
Response by paragraph:	Admiral Loinpresser	Jul 2015	#258
Well, I will answer them	mvd	Jul 2015	#259
This message was self-deleted by its author	Ken Burch	Jul 2015	#277
k	riversedge	Jul 2015	#296
k&r	Little Star	Jul 2015	#297
If you don't like him running as a Democrat, you have a beef with the system as	mmonk	Jul 2015	#299
It's proof, imo, that he's a realist.	JNelson6563	Jul 2015	#303
Democrats are hoisted on their own petard on that one.	SolutionisSolidarity	Jul 2015	#304
the fact that he's running a democrat it's honor	taught_me_patience	Jul 2015	#305

Response to BooScout (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:08 AM

hollysmom (5,946 posts)

1. parties are a state of mind

people can grow and change their opinion and change parties. Parties are fluid, they can grow and change and leave people behind.

What you were called by name does not matter. It is where is your heart and does this person represent you,

JMHO

I say this as a so far undecided.

I like Sanders, really I do......BUT...

1. parties are a state of mind

2. Your sincere concern is noted.

77. Dismissive tripe

81. Dismissive tripe is what I'd call the op.

96. +1

99. Hopefully you have noticedBernie supporters ......

103. A thread started by a Hillary supporter

106. OP is an Attack? You need to get a thicker skin

126. I count at least 7 attacks in the op.

282. +1. Well stated.

284. it is as much an attack as threads that Clinton supporters

133. Oh I know

294. I'm not worried at all.

98. Your concern is noted.

100. You must be very concerned for Bernie...I would be too

108. I think you need a dictionary.

109. Your subtlety is noted.

238. As everyone keeps saying,

260. I consider all the Dem candidates

130. Oh bull--you apparently don't know what "concern trolling" is.

224. Excellent post, MADem!

228. Thanks!

261. See post 258 for a rebuttal of every point. n/t

113. Knock it off

3. I dare no I triple dog dare the Republicans to make Levi an issue.

5. Well said!

8. The difference is Sanders admits he is a socialist.

9. They won't when they realize they are socialist.

10. With all due respect....

28. You swear fealty to a political party and consider yourself enlightened?

52. Last time I checked.....

101. Read the rules again.

208. you old dawg you!

11. That's a major mindset change and is not going to happen between now and election day.

241. Given that they've been oblivious

247. Everyone I talk to gets it and most the people I talk to are conservative family members.

279. The US Military is the largest Socialist system in the world.

16. America is a socialist Democracy as it is today, when it comes right down to it

19. LOL.. "we the people" don't agree with you..

22. Thats assuming that we're talking about and comparing

23. I doubt most voters would know the difference.

26. Thats not what you stated as truth though

37. Since we are mincing words here I thought he calls himself a "Democratic Socialist"??

41. Matters not which comes first

49. Are you kidding.. there is huge difference..

54. Whatever

110. Before lecturing others, you might

242. Double talk.

56. I don't think people care

78. Then you are sticking your head in the sand

168. The charts above

263. If this terrible label is hurting him,

118. The New Deal: Socialism in action

269. I think they're asking people to react to the word--and Frank Luntz and his "Words that work" crew

276. the republiCON base aren't in our camp anyway

46. Remember when "Progressive" was a dirty, scary word?

61. Well shit.. "progressive" to the ignorant masses is a new Walmart down the road.

79. Bernie doesn't have a few years to change internal thinking of thie US population.

80. Who else is going to change it?

117. Wow, I think you just proved that Republicans are old

32. Down this road again Bob?

34. Sorry if the truth is difficult for you.

38. In what Universe is your OPINION called truth, Bob?

44. Pluto maybe

47. More like Universe Hillary...

48. I'm sure they do

66. Not my opinion.. it's the voter's opinion.

278. linking back to one of your earlier post is laughable

293. Here's another poll.. but you probably wont like it either.

302. Whow. Thanks for this post. I do

50. Most of the people with a real problem with the word "socialist".....

67. I am talking about this as an issue in the general should he somehow win the Dem nomination.

68. Me too....

70. Ok, so you are saying those types wouldn't vote for Democrat regardless.

73. You believe Hillary would have a stronger appeal with independents?

83. Yes. Not sure what the laughing is all about... I guess you don't keep up with the polls.

89. Is it the same as a month ago?

92. This poll was taken June 26-28.

146. And the poll from May?