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Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:27 PM

 

Obama vs Clinton in 2008

Something to remember is that Obama polled in the low 20's against Clinton throughout 2007 until about January of 2008, when he surged upward.

See the graph at the link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

The implication for the Sanders' campaign is clear.

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Reply Obama vs Clinton in 2008 (Original post)
Damansarajaya Jul 2015 OP
DanTex Jul 2015 #1
wyldwolf Jul 2015 #2
DanTex Jul 2015 #3
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #39
DanTex Jul 2015 #44
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #5
LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #6
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #16
Walk away Jul 2015 #28
wyldwolf Jul 2015 #7
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #17
Adrahil Jul 2015 #38
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #8
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #19
London Lover Man Jul 2015 #11
wyldwolf Jul 2015 #12
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #22
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #20
London Lover Man Jul 2015 #21
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #23
London Lover Man Jul 2015 #43
Buzz cook Jul 2015 #46
fadedrose Jul 2015 #14
Fearless Jul 2015 #41
London Lover Man Jul 2015 #42
DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #4
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #27
Maedhros Jul 2015 #29
JI7 Jul 2015 #31
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #33
Maedhros Jul 2015 #35
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #36
Maedhros Jul 2015 #37
Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #9
DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #13
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #34
London Lover Man Jul 2015 #10
Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #15
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #18
Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #24
Metric System Jul 2015 #26
Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #45
Maedhros Jul 2015 #30
artislife Jul 2015 #32
dsc Jul 2015 #40
MohRokTah Jul 2015 #25

Response to Damansarajaya (Original post)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:41 PM

1. Yes, if Sanders was a once-in-a-generation politician, with fundraising capacity that rivals

Hillary, one of the most stirring public speakers of our time, gets a lot of endorsements from leading Dems, and doesn't call himself a "socialist", then he has a chance of squeaking out a very close victory.

But probably not. Obama wasn't nearly as far behind at this point.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:43 PM

2. well said. Sanders does not equal Obama

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:47 PM

3. I'm waiting to see the first time any poll of any tiny demographic shows Bernie ahead.

Dems? No. Liberal dems? No. Men? No. Women? No. White? No. Black? No. Poor? No. Rich? No.

Maybe if they polled pot-smoking bearded hipsters from Vermont, it would be a statistical tie.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:33 PM

39. Obama had big money donors, Bernie has refused that money, and oddly enough

Biden has echoed Bernie's call to refuse those bribes just this week. I wonder why Biden chose to do that right after the release of the figures on the donations to candidates. It felt like he was warning us. Like Bernie.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:44 AM

44. The only thing Bernie has refused is SuperPAC money, which didn't exist in 2008.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 03:35 PM

5. Sanders is superior

To Obama in every detail, except for not being the designated anti-Clinton. If the media start supporting Sanders in the same way they supported Obama it will be a real race.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 03:46 PM

6. What a pant load

 

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:19 PM

16. well spoken you argue with great skill

Just don't sit down on your pant load.

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:16 PM

28. I cannot belive you actually typed those words!

I was thinking them! I always use archaic expressions that no one else uses. I could not agree with you more.

If Joe Biden jumped in the race tomorrow, Hillary would still win the primaries and Bernie would be the forgotten man.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:17 PM

7. so you want to rely on the media for Sanders to win?

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:21 PM

17. I think the only reason Obama won

Was because he had support in the media and Hillary didn't I think the only way Sanders could defeat Clinton is the same way.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:29 PM

38. Then your analytical skills are weak.

 

It was much deeper than that.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:28 PM

8. BULLSHIT!!!

 

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:26 PM

19. Well said

Obama said FDR purposely allowed the great depression to worsen, between the election and his inauguration, in a cynical bid to increase his own popularity. Obama said this in his own defense for selling us out to the Bush administration and the banks.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:17 PM

11. You are correct. Sanders is even better than Obama by far.

 

And will poll better, and it won't be much of a horse race after the debates. I also expect to see your avatar change at some point in the fall/winter.

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:50 PM

12. bookmarking for fun later.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:31 PM

22. It'll

Only be fun if a democrat wins and only then if Obama hasn't poisoned the well before he leaves office.

Who know he may still get his grand bargain.

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:28 PM

20. I don't expect Sanders to win and

I suspect he'll do poorly in any debate with Clinton.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:31 PM

21. Uh-huh. And a friendly wager to each other's campaign coffers? Say $25?

 

to the winner of the August debates....

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:45 PM

23. I see you've turned you coat.

Now you like Sanders, or is it just you like Obama more?

Pick an issue in which Obama has been to the left of Sanders and delivered on his promise. Obama and his administration were ridiculing Elizabeth Warren not Bernie Sanders.

Who decides the winner of a debate? After each Gore/Bush debate the immediate reaction was that Gore had won but just days later the consensus was that Bush was the winner. How could that be?

I know you're just trolling me, but please treat that last question seriously.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:45 PM

43. Well, considering that I have seen Obama offer Chained CPI to endanger Social Security

 

won't let anyone see the contents of TPP, kicked out public option or even single payer supporters from the tables in regards to PPACA (HeritageCare), fail to keep any of his promises regarding the withdrawal of the military (We still have boots on the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq), yeah, I fail to see how Obama is to the left of Sanders on anything and accomplished it. ENDA. Lily Ledbetter. I can think of more that he failed to follow up on.

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:25 AM

46. And yet

When I sad Bernie Sanders was superior to Obama you denigrated my comment with a great deal of snark.

What was it about my comment that so incensed you?

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:05 PM

14. Who does?

I can't think of a soul who was born on this planet.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:39 PM

41. You're right. Sanders would never sell us out to the highest bidding corporation.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Original post)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 02:48 PM

4. Was PBO losing African Americans to HRC 36-1

Was PBO losing African Americans to HRC 36-1:



http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/7_15_2015_tables.pdf


PAGE 10


at any point in the campaign?



and losing Hispanics 24-1 :


http://huelladigital.univisionnoticias.com/the-latin-vote/



at any point in the campaign?



Oh, according to your own link PBO was down nine points in the Gallup Poll this time in the 08 election cycle .Sanders is down around 46:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html





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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:09 PM

27. No, but Clinton's supporters were saying Obama was only ahead because he was black.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/12/us/politics/12campaign.html

At least when they weren't starting birtherism.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html

Or laughing that obama ought to be carrying their bags.
http://nypost.com/2012/09/03/bill-clinton-made-insensitive-race-jab-about-obama-in-2008/

Or abandoning black voters to pander on about "hard-working Americans, white Americans"
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-white-support/?_r=0

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:15 PM

29. So, this begs the question, why do black voters support Hillary 36-1?[n/t]

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:25 PM

31. she reaches out to them in different ways to get their support

she has many black people working with her and seeks endorsements from black people .

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:32 PM

33. My guess is simply a lack of exposure for Sanders

 

Clinton's been in the public eye since 1992 (Longer, for Arkansans... Arkansasers? Er...) She's known, she's damilair, she comes readily to mind when someone talks about democrats. Sanders by comparison, is a senator from Vermont who is only really recently catching greater public notice. I think in this regard he can be best compared to John Kerry, who set out as "Senator from Massachusetts."

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:06 PM

35. In that context, the polls really mean little.

 

I think black voters are motivated this election cycle and will look at all the candidates. Mainstream media exposure, such as debates, will give us all a good look at how the candidates compare to one another. I expect Bernie's and O'Malley's numbers across the board to go up with exposure, and Hillary's to go down, after the original name-recognition gives way to policy considerations.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:09 PM

36. One only needs to read the African American posters here on DU

 

From what I see, most of our AA community is dedicated to being "undecided." and taking good hard looks at all three main candidates.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:11 PM

37. As they should!

 

Nobody is entitled to anyone's votes - they must be earned.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Original post)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:13 PM

9. Sanders is at 17 percent 18 months out.

 

Obama was at 20 percent 13 months out.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:34 PM

34. Edwards and Biden also aren't running in 2016

 

Gotta remember that the Democratic Primary in 2008 had plenty of candidates beyond the two who ended up spending the last four month clobbering each other.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Original post)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:15 PM

10. Many are telling me that Clinton's numbers are higher than it was in 2008

 

But history is going to repeat itself in 2016, as it did for 2008. Does not bode very well for Clinton, especially in the downward trend since she announced, and Bernie's trend continue to rise, just like Obama did..

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:03 PM

15. Yup. No one ever started with a bigger head start than Hillary . . .

 

Either time. And no one has ever blown such a big start.

The problem is, she's not saying anything big and bold, and she has never done anything big and bold, except run for president.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 06:23 PM

18. I'm not sure Sanders ever had a bill passed in Senate.

 

Possibly a lot of Amendments, but if we're talking about accomplishments...

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:00 PM

24. The difference is that he's been pounding away on

 

a single message for decades.

Hillary has been running for office for decades.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:04 PM

26. Yet most Americans have never heard of him. Can you say INEFFECTIVE?

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Response to Metric System (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:12 PM

45. Well, his spouse didn't have an extra-martial affair while she was

 

President of the United States, so there's that . . .

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Response to Damansarajaya (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:16 PM

30. Name recognition + Beltway media privilege + public relations machine = poll numbers.[n/t]

 

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Response to Damansarajaya (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:30 PM

32. I was afraid no was going to jump in and challenge her. nt

 

She probably was afraid someone would....


^^^^ Yes...pure conjecture. But it amuses me. What can I say, I like to laugh.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:39 PM

40. that actually isn't true

Gore lead Bradley by more in 2000, than Hillary lead Obama by in 2008. And we see how Gore did.

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Response to Damansarajaya (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:03 PM

25. Obama was neck and neck with her throughout in the money race though.

 

That's the important race.

Sanders doesn't have the money raising capability that Obama had.

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