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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:45 PM Jul 2015

I'm a woman and I support Hillary Clinton.....

When in 2015, I see someone say that some women won't vote or support Hillary because she didn't leave her husband when their marriage was going through a rocky period, not to mention it was all being smeared across the tabloid press at the time.....tells me that people who say that do not know what Hillary Clinton is all about AT ALL.

I love Hillary Clinton. She has been a hero to me as a woman for much of my adult life. She is a fantastic mother, she's a wife who loves her husband and who has stood by him through thick and thin, for better or worse. She has never, ever run from a fight. For anyone to pass judgement on her for not abandoning her marriage is incredibly sad that they just dont 'get' Hillary.

Hillary has paved paths for women like no woman has before her. She took on the battle for National Healthcare before it's time....but that didn't stop her from trying. She paved the way for what would take two more decades to achieve....and even now, the thought of National Healthcare is still being attacked.

When it comes to women's issues, children's issues, education and other social issues, she has fought for what is important and been a true champion around the world for them.

After 8 years of George Bush, she travelled over a million miles to 112 countries restoring the reputation of America and repairing the damage that the Bush administration had wrought. She was relentless and undaunted and she damned well did her job....and did it better than I think anyone else could. While she was restoring America's reputation she was also still fighting for women's and children's rights around the world.

So if Hillary decided to stay with her husband and decided that her marriage was worth fighting for....all those that want to judge her for doing so can kiss my feminist ass and grow themselves a vagina.

Thank you for allowing me to get up on my soapbox.




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I'm a woman and I support Hillary Clinton..... (Original Post) BooScout Jul 2015 OP
Couldn't agree more. gwheezie Jul 2015 #1
My Name Is George Bush Sr And I Support Hillary Clinton billhicks76 Jul 2015 #105
Nice attempt at hijacking the thread SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #122
It's Called Reality billhicks76 Jul 2015 #132
Reality?? SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #135
I Didn't Say That billhicks76 Jul 2015 #136
That.s not delusional SCantiGOP Jul 2015 #141
That left a mark./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #144
GOOD!!! calimary Jul 2015 #149
Clinton is Bush's worst nightmare..... BooScout Jul 2015 #142
That really clears a lot up. Well, pretty much everything. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #146
Same here. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #2
I am a woman and I don't support Hillary. SamKnause Jul 2015 #3
Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #5
so very true riversedge Jul 2015 #7
I won't vote for her. A better Democratic 840high Jul 2015 #10
Chalk another one up on the list: JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11
Your comment has no meaning for me. 840high Jul 2015 #12
Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #13
Another one? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #16
Is that really too much to ask on a site called DEMOCRATIC Underground? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #17
Going into the voting booth with them? 99Forever Jul 2015 #22
lolwut? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #24
What part of SC appointment overturns ROE and kills Women in back alleys dont they get? randys1 Jul 2015 #36
The "Women" part. okasha Jul 2015 #130
You are demanding a Loyalty Oath. 99Forever Jul 2015 #39
A loyalty oath on Democratic website? Crazy. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #43
... 99Forever Jul 2015 #50
I'm not loyal to the Democratic Party Martin Eden Jul 2015 #67
^^^THIS^^^ No, Martin, you're not alone. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #79
Thank goodness we have a real progressive running this year passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #99
By bullying anyone who doesn't support Hillary. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #65
Yes you are. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #131
I'll vote for whoever I damn please. 840high Jul 2015 #23
Just not the Democratic nominee. Got it. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #26
Bernie will be the Democratic nominee at the end. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #31
Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #37
I hate bullies Android3.14 Jul 2015 #93
That's hilarious. Advocating for the unnamed 2016 Dem Primary winner R B Garr Jul 2015 #110
U don't get shit. I'll vote for Bernie. 840high Jul 2015 #55
Jury decision results. nc4bo Jul 2015 #134
+1 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #64
haha... quickesst Jul 2015 #96
It will be so nice when these fake Democrats (anyone who won't vote for.... Walk away Jul 2015 #116
Amen. BainsBane Jul 2015 #153
Republicans are not scheduled to win in 2016. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #27
Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #33
Yes and it will be Bernie, not Clinton. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #35
Are you really asking me that question??? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #40
Yes, if it's Bernie, and yes, if it's Clinton.. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #45
Well, I'll hold my nose if it's not Bernie and vote against the Republicans. Duval Jul 2015 #85
Maybe the fact that there are so many of us... Chan790 Jul 2015 #138
With a republican in charge, there might not be much of a Democratic Party remaining... George II Jul 2015 #60
Don't worry I will be voting for Berns Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #25
A voice of reason. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #28
Stop telling people who they have to vote for. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #30
Which Hillary supporters are claiming they won't vote for the democratic sufrommich Jul 2015 #44
What does that have to do with demanding people vote for Hillary if she wins? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #47
What? It's not "demanding people vote for Hillary" in the primaries. sufrommich Jul 2015 #59
I didn't say in the primaries, stop misrepresenting my post. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #62
You're on a Democratic discussion board that has a TOS. sufrommich Jul 2015 #68
Telling people to vote for the nominee is telling people who to vote for. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #70
Oy. Nevermind. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #73
Just to the party. But then you would have to be a committed Democrat. Walk away Jul 2015 #117
LOL, how is it hypocritical to advocate for the 2016 Dem Primary winner? R B Garr Jul 2015 #46
Because HC supporters accuse others of wanting to control who they vote for. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #52
This is pure fabrication or willful misrepresentation. R B Garr Jul 2015 #58
"Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #63
You do realize you contradicted yourself? R B Garr Jul 2015 #66
How so? I never told anyone how to vote. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #69
LOL.... R B Garr Jul 2015 #76
Watching PUMAs tell Sanders supporters to vote for the nominee is hypocrisy squared. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #78
What is a PUMA? Let me guess, you're resorting to personal insults? R B Garr Jul 2015 #83
PUMA is not an insult. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #84
mmm hmmm. Sure thing. R B Garr Jul 2015 #86
"Just answer the question" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #88
More confusion?! R B Garr Jul 2015 #90
I just want to know why you're demanding I answer your question. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #92
Oh, dear... R B Garr Jul 2015 #98
Nope, just want to know why I'm expected to answer your question. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #100
Let's get back to honesty. You responded to Post #5 R B Garr Jul 2015 #104
I don't see the need for loyalty oaths. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #107
I only see one person "badgering" and spinning, and R B Garr Jul 2015 #113
How am I badgering anyone or spinning this? It's simple: it's none of your business who I vote for. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #121
LOL... R B Garr Jul 2015 #124
PUMA--Party unity my ass artislife Jul 2015 #148
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Bryce Butler Jul 2015 #94
Wow. Good jury. Thanks! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #97
Speaking of honesty...this is the post #5 that you responded to: R B Garr Jul 2015 #102
So did you learn anything about PUMAS? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #109
"This is not a game to me." R B Garr Jul 2015 #111
I didn't say you alerted, I asked if you learned anything from their attempt to silence me. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #112
Oh, dear...are you sure you're not spinning this, too? R B Garr Jul 2015 #115
Just borrowing a page from Hillary supporter's persecution playbook & list of conspiracy theories: beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #118
Ahh, finally you admit your participation in this thread! R B Garr Jul 2015 #125
This is hilarious, you spent this whole thread accusing Hillary supporters of sufrommich Jul 2015 #114
What do you expect when DUers tell others who to vote for? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #119
What happened in 2008? Were there actually a large contigent of PUMAs sufrommich Jul 2015 #123
I can't answer that for sure, but it's probably the latter. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #127
Then stop using right wing smears to prove your point. nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #128
Take your own advice. nt beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #129
Link? I don't see that redstateblues Jul 2015 #89
Do a search. I was accused of it quite recently but I'm not calling out the poster. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #91
This. tymorial Jul 2015 #18
It's playing to the Armchair Warrior crowd, and I find it off-putting. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #19
Exactly. SamKnause Jul 2015 #56
+100 beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #34
You are welcome. SamKnause Jul 2015 #51
There is too much at stake to allow another corporatist in the White House n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #38
I agree 100%. SamKnause Jul 2015 #53
+1000 MissDeeds Jul 2015 #49
Thank you. SamKnause Jul 2015 #54
I am a man timdog44 Jul 2015 #80
I am also a woman and I do not support Hillary peacebird Jul 2015 #126
Totally Agree! I am a woman too and will never support her... Rockyj Jul 2015 #143
Agree 100% MoonRiver Jul 2015 #4
Funny how those "defense of marriage" wingers all attack the Clinton marriage. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #6
Totally agree. The comments about her marriage in another thread R B Garr Jul 2015 #8
...... sufrommich Jul 2015 #9
Such stereotypes and generalizations! Fearless Jul 2015 #14
She's an incredible women and a sublime political figure ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #15
+ 1000 sheshe2 Jul 2015 #21
People should judge Hillary on her own merits (or lack thereof). Maedhros Jul 2015 #20
I'd point out... Chan790 Jul 2015 #139
I agree. [n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #140
I am a woman. I support Hillary. Tikki Jul 2015 #29
Okay, you are welcome. n/t Aerows Jul 2015 #32
I am a woman and I support Hillary Clinton for president. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #41
I have dark hair. Helen Borg Jul 2015 #42
Depends - is that your natural color? hedgehog Jul 2015 #48
Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #57
Oh wow! You said it! Thanks! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #61
The most qualified and prepared candidate running in this election, KMOD Jul 2015 #71
I am a woman. SheilaT Jul 2015 #72
Great post my dear lady. William769 Jul 2015 #74
I'm an old woman and I don't support Hillary Clinton..... and Bill has nothing to do with it. Autumn Jul 2015 #75
How do you know why she stayed with Bill? Ino Jul 2015 #77
Except that she is... Bohemianwriter Jul 2015 #81
That's why she'll never get my vote. 840high Jul 2015 #137
I'm a guy, and I do not support Hilary's run BUT mikehiggins Jul 2015 #82
Thanks Mike! BooScout Jul 2015 #133
This woman says to stick to your guns and support Hillary if that's your choice. Stellar Jul 2015 #87
How was she restoring American's reputation (whatever that is)? YOHABLO Jul 2015 #95
the Khaleeji fighters we hired for Libya and the transvestite-butchering cartel enforcers MisterP Jul 2015 #101
I'm a wombat and I support cloning the thylacine n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #103
My wife is a woman, and she supports Hillary. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #106
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #108
I am a woman and I will never support Hillary Clinton Pastiche423 Jul 2015 #120
Bernie will offer you more of the same too. Because nothing will pass the GOP House stevenleser Jul 2015 #147
Couple of questions. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #145
It's primary season, support who you want but gwheezie Jul 2015 #150
My point exactly n/t BooScout Jul 2015 #152
The Question could be silenttigersong Jul 2015 #151
So do I. riversedge Sep 2015 #154

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
1. Couldn't agree more.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

When people drag this old news out, its hard to believe they're dems. They sound just like Rush and Drudge.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
105. My Name Is George Bush Sr And I Support Hillary Clinton
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:05 PM
Jul 2015

I selected her as the back up in case we can't insert a Bush family member by name. Just like her husband I hand picked her as she is an "honorary" Bush family member.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
135. Reality??
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jul 2015

George Bush has endorsed Clinton? That's what passes for 'reality' these days?

If we disagree, let's at least try to discuss things rationally and remember that, at the end of the day, we're on the same team.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
142. Clinton is Bush's worst nightmare.....
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:19 AM
Jul 2015

You know it and I know it....and more importantly the GOP knows it and can't do one freaking thing about her except make spurious attacks on her that she smacks down with aplomb.

I would say 'nice try' regarding your spurious attack....but in all honesty, it's pretty pathetic.

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
3. I am a woman and I don't support Hillary.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

I don't give a squat about her personal life.

I don't care who stays married or gets divorced.

She is not trustworthy.

She is too friendly with Wall Street.

She is too willing to support wars and invasion.

She is too willing to give tax cuts to corporations.

She lied and included her daughter in that lie. (Sniper fire in Bosnia)

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
17. Is that really too much to ask on a site called DEMOCRATIC Underground?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jul 2015

I think I'm being pretty reasonable here.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
22. Going into the voting booth with them?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jul 2015

They frown on that here in Minnesota. I fairly certain it just might get your ass arrested. Even put curtains on the booths so people with nose problems can't stick them into other people's PRIVATE business.

Must suck to live somewhere there isn't a secret ballot.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
39. You are demanding a Loyalty Oath.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jul 2015

How do you plan to enforce it?

Telepathy? Spy cameras? Hypnotism?

Martin Eden

(12,862 posts)
67. I'm not loyal to the Democratic Party
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015

Loyalty must be earned, and far too many elected Democrats have betrayed The People they ostensibly represent.

I vote for good public policy, and for results.

Sadly, the choice often comes down to status quo vs horrible public policy.

I will vote AGAINST Republicans in the general election, but my faith in the American Dream dies a little bit every time I do that instead of casting my vote FOR a candidate I truly believe in.

I don't think I'm alone in this regard.

I also think GOTV -- motivating people to come to the polls who often don't bother -- is the key to winning the White House and regaining the houses of Congress. The People need/want something to vote FOR.

I believe in Bernie Sanders.

I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary, partly because of her close ties to Wall Street but mostly because of her vote for the IWR. That's a deal breaker for me, period.

I will vote in the general election, and if my blue state of Illinois is even close to being up for grabs I will vote for the Dem presidential candidate regardless of who it is.

If that candidate is Hillary Clinton, I will vote AGAINST the Republican.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
99. Thank goodness we have a real progressive running this year
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jul 2015
"I will vote AGAINST Republicans in the general election, but my faith in the American Dream dies a little bit every time I do that instead of casting my vote FOR a candidate I truly believe in."


This is probably a much better way to respond to those who say they refuse to vote for Hillary or Bernie in the general. Just say "please vote against Republicans", rather than staying home...even if it makes you die a little bit inside each time. It's still better than the real people who will die a real death because of Republican policies if we lose the White House in 2016...especially if that means more conservative Supreme Court nominees.

It's not all about you. Your vote matters for everyone, not just you. (You in general, not you Martin)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
65. By bullying anyone who doesn't support Hillary.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015

They really need to calm down.

They're turning people off to Hillary.

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
31. Bernie will be the Democratic nominee at the end.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Jul 2015

And you can thank the inept campaign staff of Clinton's for not fully preparing her against the progressive wave.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
110. That's hilarious. Advocating for the unnamed 2016 Dem Primary winner
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jul 2015

is now discouraged and of "no value."

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
134. Jury decision results.
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Jul 2015

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Walk away

(9,494 posts)
116. It will be so nice when these fake Democrats (anyone who won't vote for....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

the Democratic candidate in the general election) are gone! It really stinks up the place!

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
27. Republicans are not scheduled to win in 2016.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jul 2015

Massive progressive wave with Bernie as the head is heading towards 2016.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
40. Are you really asking me that question???
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

I just spent 10 minutes of my life typing "Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee" into numerous posts here. Pffft. Will you be voting for 2016 Dem nominee?

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
45. Yes, if it's Bernie, and yes, if it's Clinton..
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jul 2015

But for Clinton, I must be stinking drunk to fill out the ballot and then sober enough to place two stamps on it and mail it in.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
138. Maybe the fact that there are so many of us...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jul 2015

might suggest the imperative necessity of working to insure that a person so many of us will not vote for doesn't become the nominee.

George II

(67,782 posts)
60. With a republican in charge, there might not be much of a Democratic Party remaining...
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jul 2015

.... to be "at stake" after four years.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
30. Stop telling people who they have to vote for.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Jul 2015

Aren't you guys the ones constantly complaining that Sanders' supporters are trying to control who DUers vote for?

Hypocrites.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
44. Which Hillary supporters are claiming they won't vote for the democratic
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jul 2015

nominee? I've been here a long time, I don't ever remember a time when it was cool to say "if candidate X wins the primaries,I'm not voting democratic",do you?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
47. What does that have to do with demanding people vote for Hillary if she wins?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think it's liberal to demand loyalty to any candidate.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
59. What? It's not "demanding people vote for Hillary" in the primaries.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jul 2015

You're completely ignoring what I said.I'll say it again this way, on DU you can argue for whomever you want during the primaries but what you've never been able to do here is advocate not voting for the democratic nominee or a third party,is that not true? Surely you're not really saying that anyone on any forum can actually demand you vote a certain way? All forums have rules,the only thing capable of being "forced" here is the TOS.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
62. I didn't say in the primaries, stop misrepresenting my post.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jul 2015
Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee.


That's telling someone who to vote for.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
68. You're on a Democratic discussion board that has a TOS.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015

Claiming that someone can "tell you who can actually vote for" is pure,silly hyperbole.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
70. Telling people to vote for the nominee is telling people who to vote for.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:19 PM
Jul 2015

Sorry you can't see that but considering who your candidate is I'm not surprised you expect everyone here to swear out a loyalty oath.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
46. LOL, how is it hypocritical to advocate for the 2016 Dem Primary winner?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

Because that's all that was said...

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. Because HC supporters accuse others of wanting to control who they vote for.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jul 2015

Don't tell me who to vote for.

Period.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
58. This is pure fabrication or willful misrepresentation.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jul 2015

The post didn't tell you WHO to vote for. No one was named except for the primary winner.

So just answer the poster's question about the primary winner or move on. Quit spinning.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
63. "Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee"
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

That's telling someone who to vote for.

Quit spinning.


I believe you're the one guilty of that.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
66. You do realize you contradicted yourself?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015

"Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee"

Are you saying that couldn't be Bernie?

That's how it's obvious you are spinning.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
69. How so? I never told anyone how to vote.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jul 2015

It's a sacred duty and I take it seriously.

This isn't a game to me.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
76. LOL....
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

"This isn't a game to me."



Yes, deciding whether to vote for the Dem 2016 primary winner is so tough, lol. Uh huh.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
78. Watching PUMAs tell Sanders supporters to vote for the nominee is hypocrisy squared.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:30 PM
Jul 2015

But then after 2008 nothing surprises me.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
83. What is a PUMA? Let me guess, you're resorting to personal insults?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jul 2015

See how you spun that?? That's what I'm talking about...

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
86. mmm hmmm. Sure thing.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

"they"

You are still spinning the fact that the question in this thread was about the 2016 Dem Primary winner. Just answer the question or move on. Quit spinning.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
104. Let's get back to honesty. You responded to Post #5
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:04 PM
Jul 2015

with nothing but unrelated spin. Its' either intentional spin or willful misrepresentation.

We're starting over now with this whole charade now as this was my response upthread; remember?

Post No. 5:
"Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee.





There's way too much at stake."

The question was about voting for the Dem 2016 Primary winner. No one knows yet who that is, so it's a yes or no question. This isn't tough if you honestly answer the question instead of axe grinding.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
107. I don't see the need for loyalty oaths.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015

Honestly.

And I've already explained how I would vote if Bernie doesn't win the nomination.

I just resent it when people are badgered about it.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
113. I only see one person "badgering" and spinning, and
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jul 2015

it's not who you've directed any posts to. It was a simple question about the 2016 Dem Primary winner. Not hard to answer. It's not honest to twist something so simple as Post No. 5 into a 20-something-response subthread of feigned confusion.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
121. How am I badgering anyone or spinning this? It's simple: it's none of your business who I vote for.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jul 2015

Got it?

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
148. PUMA--Party unity my ass
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jul 2015
?color=Black&height=460&width=460&qv=90

You can still buy at cafe press


Here's a little article on who they were and where they are now
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/they-were-hillary-clintons-die-hard-loyalists-heres-where-they-are-now/2015/05/02/82025cf2-e92a-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html



They existed, still exist. They really don't like being told what to do. I understand..

Bryce Butler

(338 posts)
94. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jul 2015

On Thu Jul 16, 2015, an alert was sent on the following post:

Watching PUMAs tell Sanders supporters to vote for the nominee is hypocrisy squared.
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R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
102. Speaking of honesty...this is the post #5 that you responded to:
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jul 2015

"Just make sure you vote for the 2016 Dem nominee.





There's way too much at stake. "

To twist that into saying someone is telling you who to vote for is simply not honest.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
109. So did you learn anything about PUMAS?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:10 PM
Jul 2015

I'd hate to think someone wasted that alert and got a 24 hour break for nothing.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
111. "This is not a game to me."
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015

Uh huh



btw, not my alert, but it looks like your motives are transparent to others.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
118. Just borrowing a page from Hillary supporter's persecution playbook & list of conspiracy theories:
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jul 2015

Sanders supporters have rec squads and alert patrols who will try to silence you and purge DU of any and all dissent.

See chapter on Big Rec™.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
114. This is hilarious, you spent this whole thread accusing Hillary supporters of
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jul 2015

demanding loyalty oaths and then turn around and try to smear them with the old Hillary supporters are disloyal PUMAs insult?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
119. What do you expect when DUers tell others who to vote for?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jul 2015

It's not like people forgot about what happened in 2008.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
123. What happened in 2008? Were there actually a large contigent of PUMAs
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jul 2015

or was it mostly a small group of malcontents that the GOP gave disproportionate attention to out of mischief? Have you ever seen the breakdown of democratic primary voters who voted for Obama after their candidate lost? It's out there,do some googleing. Are you accusing Hillary supporters here on DU of being PUMAs?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
127. I can't answer that for sure, but it's probably the latter.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jul 2015

And I'm not accusing you of anything.

It's nobody's business who they vote for.


tymorial

(3,433 posts)
18. This.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jul 2015

Especially the last one. It shows a distinct lack of character. Creating fairy tales about war for personal gain is disgusting and lacks honor.
-
Oh, and before I click post. I know someone is going to respond with misdirection stating "Bush did this...." or "Bernie did that..." It isn't relevant. We're talking about someone running for office who lied about an experience that our soldiers go through everyday. It is quite frankly, offensive.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
80. I am a man
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jul 2015

And I feel the same way.

Is she a Democrat

Or is she a republican is all I care.

Does not matter what she claims on the ticket

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
126. I am also a woman and I do not support Hillary
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jul 2015

I do not care about her personal life, I do not care about her gender.

I do care that she lied about coming under sniper fire.

I care that she states she will not reinstate Glass Steagal

i care that she will not break up the too big to fail banks

i care that she voted FOR the Iraq war

i care that she talks hawkishly about Iran.

I do not trust her, and for the record she was NOT "dead broke" when they left the White. House

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
8. Totally agree. The comments about her marriage in another thread
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jul 2015

strike me as disingenuous. Anyone who has read or followed the Clinton's personal story can see that their attraction has a large element of fierce intellectualism to it, and they are both true intellectuals probably unrivaled in ordinary circles. They have a rich and deep history together, not easily thrown away. So attacks on Hillary without considering the depth of their relationship don't ring true.

Great points, BooScout!

ismnotwasm

(41,975 posts)
15. She's an incredible women and a sublime political figure
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jul 2015

I always figured she didn't leave her husband because of the politics of the time-- Republicans were out for blood, one phony scandal after another. So they find a real one. Several male polititical figures who pointed fingers at Bill Clinton got busted for similar or worse behavior later on.

I don't have privy to Clintons hearts or their bedroom. Her decision then was her business, but it helped Clinton's career and legacy, turned the scandal into another Teflon moment.


And She certainly bounced back didn't she? Yes indeed look at her now. Madame president has an awfully nice ring to it

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
20. People should judge Hillary on her own merits (or lack thereof).
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jul 2015

Bill's many failings are his to own.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
139. I'd point out...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:26 AM
Jul 2015

that the vast majority of people adamantly opposed to Hillary have judged her on her own merits and found her lacking.

The argument that we're opposed to her because she didn't leave her husband is a strawman meant to marginalize opposition to that free-trading war-hawk corporate-interests-over-people fake-Democrat.

I don't care if she leaves her husband...if she wants to stay with him, that's her decision. I care that Hillary has never met a corporatist interest that she won't sell her constituents down the river for; I care that she's an opponent and not a champion of bedrock Democratic values and ideals.

I care that she's just not worth voting for.

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
29. I am a woman. I support Hillary.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jul 2015

I will support the Democratic nominee in the General Election.


Tikki

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
71. The most qualified and prepared candidate running in this election,
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

and she happens to be a woman. I'm a proud supporter of HRC. I'm especially excited that we have wonderful odds to keep the White House with HRC as our candidate.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
72. I am a woman.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

No woman should automatically support Hillary just because she's a woman. But if you have what you find are good reasons to support her, that's quite different.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
77. How do you know why she stayed with Bill?
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:27 PM
Jul 2015

Could be she stayed with him because she thought it was the smart thing, the expedient thing, the thing that furthered her ambitions the most. That's the calculating Hillary I've seen -- the one who is always triangulating, strategizing, choosing her words oh-so-carefully, her silly canned "listening tour" (as if she didn't have a clue what the peons care about?), not taking a position on anything until she sees what will serve her plans best.

I don't really care why she did or didn't leave her husband. And I think she would be all right on equal rights, LGBT, and other such social issues.

But she always has, and always will, fall on the side of the corporations, the rich, the military. She is not on my side.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
82. I'm a guy, and I do not support Hilary's run BUT
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jul 2015

people who criticize her because she stuck by Bill despite his wandering ways are, IMHO, sanctimonious buffoons.

People should try to remember the old cliche about walking a mile in her shoes before finding fault with her.

I support Bernie but I wouldn't miss a second's sleep if Hilary won. She'd be a very good president. I just happen to think Bernie would be better. That's just my opinion, not a slam at a remarkable and inspirational woman.

And if he does win I hope he offers her that old Sec of State job.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
101. the Khaleeji fighters we hired for Libya and the transvestite-butchering cartel enforcers
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:57 PM
Jul 2015

in the Honduran military are hardly the vanguard in protecting women, children, and education

she's repeated every stupid FP initiative Bush has brought us and in fact built on them

women's orgs veritably spit at her name, and wonder why we delude ourselves into thinking she's the best human being in existence because she has both power and a vagoo

Response to BooScout (Original post)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
147. Bernie will offer you more of the same too. Because nothing will pass the GOP House
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jul 2015

and we cannot win back the House until 2022 at the earliest and most likely not until 2024.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
145. Couple of questions.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

1) How long have we been electing Presidents?
2) How many Presidents have there been?
3) How many have been women?
4) What percentage of the population is women.

Anyone who says this should play no role is a flat out fool who does not support equal representation. To be clear, I am not talking about those who will not vote for Hillary for good reasons. Just those who say her gender should play no role at all. It's complete bullshit and goes against our fight.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
150. It's primary season, support who you want but
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

To drag out the Clinton marriage as a reason not to vote for Hillary is right-wing bullshit. I support HRC but don't doubt the sincerity of dems who question some of her positions, let's find the best nominee but to repeat Rush talking points?

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
151. The Question could be
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jul 2015

Is Bernie a feminist?I think so ,if you are talking about income equility,edjucation,fair wages.I would argue that Hillary Clintons World tour was doing damage control on The NSa wiki leaks,the apology tour.Furthermore the Scotus argument is a moot argument at this point in time .Does anyone believe Bernie would appoint activist Judges?As far as a vote about Hillarys marriage you are right her buisness .But Bill to many Feminists abuse his power with Monica Lewinsky,to me that is relevent.For instance ,Bill Cosby is in the news ,are you going to say that men in power do not get away with more?



























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