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Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:41 PM

We need to stop tearing each other apart over an issue most of us are in agreement on

As a person who has marched with Black Lives Matter on several occassions and am also currently volunteering for the Bernie Sanders campaign I have a lot of conflicting emotions about what happened at Netroots Nation. I feel sympathy for a number of people on both sides of the debate but I have also seen some incredibly divisive and ignorant comments on both sides of the debate.

I feel like there are a lot of people who are fighting right now that should not be fighting. I think that most Bernie supporters also support the goals of Black Lives Matter and we would love to see them work with the Bernie campaign to incorporate those goals into his platform. I would like to see Hillary, Bernie, and O'Malley all come together on this and declare that they stand together on this issue. While none of the candidates are perfect when you look at what the three of them have said on this issue in recent months there is really not much difference between them at all, in fact when it comes to this issue their stances are nearly identical. There are other areas in which they have big differences, but the issue of police shootings is an area in which they all seem to be in agreement.

We are tearing each other apart over an issue in which ultimately the large majority of us are in agreement. These fights are not helping anyone, they not are not helping Black Lives Matter, they are not helping Hillary, they are not helping Bernie, the only people they are helping are the real racists who are dancing with glee as they watch us tear each other down.

We need less shouting and more listening on both sides. People have a negative reaction to shouting, that is just human nature. Just because someone has a negative reaction when they feel they have been shouted at does not mean they are your opposition.

I don't claim innocence here, I know I have gotten angry and shouted people down before as well. I need to do better and we all need to do better, I am not just talking to one side because I personally think that neither side has handled this debate particularly well.

We can disagree on who the best candidate for President is but let us all agree on one thing, black lives do matter and we all need to stand together to protect those lives.

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Reply We need to stop tearing each other apart over an issue most of us are in agreement on (Original post)
Bjorn Against Jul 2015 OP
RobertEarl Jul 2015 #1
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #2
edbermac Jul 2015 #8
PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #3
seveneyes Jul 2015 #4
Post removed Jul 2015 #5
TDale313 Jul 2015 #6
Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #7
InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #9

Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:51 PM

1. It need be aired

 

In the course of discussions it has come to light that the establishment democrats have been meeting under the names of slave owners and Indian traitors all this time and no one actually thought about how regressive the idea is.

These vestiges of the old democratic party should be buried like we are doing to the confederate flag.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:54 PM

2. I support your cause. Lead the way and take action on this cause.

 

We will have your back in your efforts to get the name changed.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:07 PM

8. Jury results.

On Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

It need be aired
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464242

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This poster is stating that establishment democrats aka Hillary supporters should be buried like the confederate flag. We are all democrats and no one group should be insulting the other groups

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "If you submit abusive or offensive comments when serving on a jury, your eligibility to serve on juries may be revoked, and the comment which caused the loss of eligibility may be displayed publicly on your Profile page."
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The post in question is rather vague in making a substantiated point. There probably are party traditions that deserve being reconsidered. Specificity would really help make this point. However, the overarching theme of the message seems simply to be that there are issues that need discussion - that is trivially true. All things considered, it seems that the alerter is not reading the post accurately and is inferring too much: the post in question does not equate "establishment democrats" with "vestiges of the old democratic party" as far as I can see, and, thus, there is no call to bury the "establishment democrats" as the alerter postulates.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alert is a real stretch. No one should be insulting any other group, but reality is that it happens all the time. This is pretty tame.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not voting to hide based on the alerters reasoning, but rather because it is almost completely gibberish.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "This poster is stating that establishment democrats aka Hillary supporters should be buried like the confederate flag"

Jesus H Christ! Are you fucking kidding me? Alerter, are you on drugs or are you off drugs?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dear Alerter, I did not get this impression at all when reading the post. In fact I don't think the post makes a lot of sense. Let me remind you of the hide feature available to us when we don't want to see a particular entry.
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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:56 PM

3. K&R

 

#blacklivesmatter

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:57 PM

4. We all must deal with our invincible defeat

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:11 PM

6. Thank you for this. Well put.

I do wish for more listening and understanding on all sides- attempts to find the areas of agreements or at least see where the other side is coming from. Unrealistic, I realize, but I can hope. And I can try to do better at this myself.

I do wonder, at least here where some of these issues and concerns and divisions and defensiveness and going to our "camps" had been happening for a while- are we reaching the point where positions have hardened and persuadable are hard to find? Where we can't or won't hear each other? Where we're so invested in our positions we can't process anything that challenges those positions or even accept that someone on the other side has a point or is being genuine even if we disagree. Where we'll say things we know are not accurate or are a "low blow" cause we think it scores us a point somehow.

Yes, I want my pony- and it's a bit more civility 😉

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:47 PM

7. In the end we will reflect back and view it as a decisive moment, because it helped

define a critical point for black Americans.

I am optimistic that a strong point was made, and that our candidates will respond appropriately.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:07 PM

9. I'm with you on this.

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