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Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:21 AM

Thread for the Undecideds

Am I the only one out there that is truly undecided for the the Primary?

At this point, I just really want to see what policies Hillary proposes and if she can handle/survive the pressures of a General Election campaign... Can her health and focus last on the campaign trail? Can she overcome her perceived 'negatives' and put forward her vision of the future?

For Sen. Sanders, I want to see if he is truly a Democrat... or a Democrat of convenience. Can he forge a message that can get broad appeal across the electorate? I also have questions about his age and health... can he hold-up under a tough campaign?

Even some of the lesser candidates, I could also live with... but they need to show why in the heck are they even running... or are they just jockeying for 2020, or a VP spot.

I also like the two other 500 lb. gorillas sitting it out currently: Biden, and Gore.


So far, no one has shown me that they have what it takes in 2016. Time to get to work folks. In the meantime, I am watching and waiting.

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JCMach1 Jul 2015 OP
LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #1
JCMach1 Jul 2015 #2
LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #3
JCMach1 Jul 2015 #5
Raine1967 Jul 2015 #7
procon Jul 2015 #4
bettyellen Jul 2015 #6
NCTraveler Jul 2015 #8
cocainecowboy Jul 2015 #9

Response to JCMach1 (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:44 AM

1. Biden and Gore, seriously?

If they're not in Iowa and New Hampshire now, they're not running.

It seems to me that you're waiting to see if one or both of our candidates can "go the distance, " which means that you won't be making up your mind any time soon. Am I right?

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 11:56 AM

2. It depends... I think there are legitimate concerns about Sanders' and Clinton's age

and whether they can win against the money Republicans are going to throw at us this year.

Gore, I think is 99% out, and Biden I think is legitimately still considering (maybe about a 30% chance)...

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:02 PM

3. O'Malley then. Unless you want to shoot for the middle (Hillary).

Joe is one year younger than Sanders. Your criteria are odd to me.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:40 PM

5. O'Malley is on the list

But, once again waiting to see what he has to offer...

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:17 PM

7. I hope you have perused this group:

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Response to JCMach1 (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:23 PM

4. I am deliberately undecided and intend to remain so until California's Democratic Primary next June

I think I know HRC from history, and there still are several old points that she clings to that raise my hackles, but she has shown a willingness to change and reinvent herself to keep abreast of changing views. Having experienced the disastrous consequences of President Bush who was rigid and unable think on his feet or change on the fly, this flexibility is a good thing and vital to any president. Can Clinton hold it all together this time, despite every dastardly thing the Rs have planned, or will her candidacy get tangled up in her shortcomings and collapse at the last moment?

Sanders remains a largely unknown quality. As a fellow socialist, I gravitate to much of his pro-worker agenda, and he has adroitly created a narrow focused niche for himself in that area. However, he serves a weak broth and seemed strained to present a broader array of topics without getting waspish and running off the rails with a curmudgeonly -- but somehow charming -- 'get off my lawn' attitude. The presidency chews people up and sucks them dry, but will Sanders end up being a one-trick-pony or can he get out of his own way and become more than he appears to be, or really wants to be?

As the next year unfolds, I'll be watching and waiting.



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Response to JCMach1 (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:48 PM

6. Yep- I am undecided at least until after the debates....

 

I have been swayed in the past by debates, will probably be swayed again.

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Response to JCMach1 (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:32 PM

8. While I think Gore would be a terrifying option.

 

I think your position is fair. Please take some time to look at O'Malley. Also, read from a broad group of media outlets. I hope that doesn't sound lecturing. I guess it kind of does. I seem to like your thought process. I have now been reading about O'Malley for months. The more I read, the more I like. For me, it is the exact opposite of Sanders and Clinton.

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Response to JCMach1 (Original post)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:37 PM

9. I'm undecided too.

 

One person is definitely out of the picture for me - Hillary Clinton. I can't forgive her or her husband for the 1994 welfare reform which devastated my family and put my mother in a early grave from overworking and lack of sleep.

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