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Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:50 PM

Bernie Pushing Public Campaign Financing Bill

Because ‘That’s Called Democracy’

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) told supporters in New Hampshire today that he’ll be launching an effort in Congress to make campaigns publicly funded events.

“We’re going to introduce legislation which will allow people to run for office without having to beg money from the wealthy and the powerful,” Sanders said.

Sanders has already acknowledged that he’ll be very outspent by Hillary Clinton and her big donors, and told the New Hampshire crowd that current campaign financing is a “sad state of affairs.”

He argued that public campaign financing would not only put candidates on an even plane but allow them to spend more time hobnobbing with voters instead of hobnobbing with big spenders writing the checks.

“That’s called democracy and I am going to do everything I can to bring that about,” Sanders said. “…We are increasingly living in an oligarchy where big money is buying politicians.”


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/08/02/bernie-pushing-public-campaign-financing-bill-because-thats-called-democracy-2/

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Reply Bernie Pushing Public Campaign Financing Bill (Original post)
kenn3d Aug 2015 OP
artislife Aug 2015 #1
bvf Aug 2015 #13
passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #17
UnderDome Aug 2015 #2
jwirr Aug 2015 #4
UnderDome Aug 2015 #12
jwirr Aug 2015 #15
cantbeserious Aug 2015 #3
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #5
passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #18
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #19
passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #21
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #22
passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #23
MichMan Aug 2015 #6
bluestateguy Aug 2015 #16
RichVRichV Aug 2015 #20
JaneyVee Aug 2015 #7
arcane1 Aug 2015 #10
libdem4life Aug 2015 #8
NCjack Aug 2015 #9
99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #11
bluestateguy Aug 2015 #14
BainsBane Aug 2015 #24
Sheepshank Aug 2015 #25
senz Aug 2015 #26
tazkcmo Aug 2015 #27
cascadiance Aug 2015 #28

Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:51 PM

1. We need campaign finance reform

 

But none of the other candidates agree this election.


Or the next, the one after that.....

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Response to artislife (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:27 PM

13. Getting the pro-CU names on the record

 

would be a good start.

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Response to artislife (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:18 PM

17. We the people need to put on the pressure

Bernie has called for us to speak up and pressure congress.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:54 PM

2. Not a bad idea.

 

Then, after cutting the amount spent by ninety percent,
how about restricting the length of campaigning to
thirty days? That should be long enough to get the
job done and short enough to keep the electorate
from getting sick of politics.

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Response to UnderDome (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:03 PM

4. I do not think the electorate are sick of politics. They are sick of business as usual. Crooks and

liars.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:52 PM

12. What meant to say...

 

... is that people get sick of the campaigning long before election time.

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Response to UnderDome (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:54 PM

15. Okay. That makes a lot of sense.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:01 PM

3. Why Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:04 PM

5. I'm going to assume this bill allows for public funding but doesn't prohibit private funding.

The former just needs psssed into law while the latter would require a constitutional amendment.

Will be intersting to see how it proposes to keep public funding up with private funding. The devil is always in the details.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:20 PM

18. If public financing is available and politicians still choose to go private big bucks

They are telling us loud and clear that they just don't get it.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:39 PM

19. It only works if the public funds can somewhat compete with the private funds.

Otherwise most candidates will just choose private funds and claim it's the only way they can compete. There would have to be some mechanism in the bill to keep the public funding competitive. I think setting an automatic floor for total funds available to the total private money raised (candidates, pacs, superpacs) in the previous comparable election cycle, with the ability for congress to raise it higher would be a fair starting point.

The other question I have on the bill is the method of distributing the funds. There are many ways it could be done, some more equitable than others.





Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% for this. I think we desperately need public funding (I'd prefer we went to only public funding, even though I recognize that's probably not possible in today's political climate). I only point these things out because I'm very interested in how it would be accomplished.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:18 PM

21. Well, let's see if Bernie can win.

Maybe that will change your mind.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:30 PM

22. First off Bernie is running on private funds. He's just not accepting super pac money.

Second of all, a single case does not make a trend. Just because one candidate is able to compete against the odds does not mean that all candidates could, especially in lower positions that don't draw the same amount of attention. Bernie is doing so well in spite of the spending because he brings such a populous message that is very different from the crowd. Another candidate who might otherwise be capable of winning, but without the populous message, would be drowned out by superior spending.

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Response to RichVRichV (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:57 PM

23. To your first point,

yes his money is private but it's not a lot of money, showing that it may not take a lot to win. To your second point, yes his message is populist, and that is why he may win with not much money, but that is also going to make a point to politicians that they need to listen to us, not just money.

And if he gets into office, with our help, he may just help us defeat the money in politics.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:12 PM

6. Does that mean every clown running gets it?

You are right, until I hear further details, I can't say if I am in favor or not. I sure as hell don't want taxpayers funding every clown that decides to run.

I sure don't think we should be paying the bills for the likes of Jindahl, Walker, Cruz and every other fringe candidate, including such luminaries like the "Rent is too damn high" guy from several years ago, as they gallivant all over the country

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Response to MichMan (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:55 PM

16. Thank you.

And I'm quite certain their voters don't want their taxes funding campaigns by Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi and Elizabeth Warren.

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Response to MichMan (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:53 PM

20. The fairest way I could come up with would be

to set a total funding pool for candidates running on public funds. All candidates have to declare if they're running on public or private donations up front. Candidates running on private donations are ineligible to receive public funds, and vice versa.

Now instead of giving the money directly to candidates, the money is instead broken up evenly to every registered voter in the country. If 3 billion dollars is set for the election cycle and there's 70 million registered voters then $42.85 is sent to each voter.

This would be sent to them in the form of a card similar to a credit or snap card. The card could only be used to make donations to any registered public campaigns in any amount from 1 cent to the total available on the card. The voters would never have access to the money, they could just use the card and it would draw out of a central fund by the registered candidates. Any money left on the card at the end of the election cycle goes back into the pot for the next election cycle.

This would put the choice of who gets the funding up to the voters. I could choose to give $30 to the presidential candidate of my choice, $10 to the senator of my choice, etc. Any candidate, including third party candidates could receive public funding simply by convincing voters to donate to them.

There would have to be privacy laws put in place to prevent business and other interests from pressuring workers to donate to candidates of their choice.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:17 PM

7. Now???

 

With no chance of passing?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:29 PM

10. He's got us talking about it. That's step one, and now is the PERFECT time!

 

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:23 PM

8. Bernie has the advantage of being on the front

 

line in Congress and he's using it well. Actual bills get discussed and voted on out of the political arena. He continues steadily garnering support and now a bit more exposure.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:23 PM

9. Needs an amendment: Not eligible for a Federal office if person or corporation directed

by that person has ever filed for bankruptcy. Can't trust them to manage the public's money.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 08:41 PM

11. Go Bernie - an awesome idea that's time has finally come

 

Thanks to SCOTUS & Citizens United.

A good pubic financing bill would side-step CU and make
it irrelevant

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:52 PM

14. Few people give three shits about campaign finance policy

Newspaper editorial boards and think tanks tend to be hysterical about it. I have never met an ordinary voter who prioritizes it.

In the end it is a sleeper of an issue because it is dense and wonky, and as soon as you pass a new law, loopholes emerge as soon as the ink is dry.

And public financing cannot stop private so-called independent expenditures. In fact, public financing
would embolden the SuperPAC's, by limiting the spending that comes from the actual candidates.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:00 AM

24. Excellent!

I'm so glad someone is finally talking about this!

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:21 AM

25. Can someone explain public vs private funding?

 

In my world, public funding is funded via tax payer money, and private funding is individuals and companies.

Is there a definition somewhere that clears this up, because judging by the comments on this thread, ive seen a coupleof different interpretations.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:23 AM

26. God bless Bernie Sanders. So glad he's doing this.

 

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 12:37 AM

27. Unicorns and gumdrops.

Don't try. Don't make waves. Don't. Don't. Don't. It's impossible.

Do accept your servitude. Do accept the new CU reality. Do get back to work now, it's time for your second job.


Forgot the sarcasm disclaimer!

Also wanted to add this fun stat: 8 of our 12 cooks have 2 jobs.

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Response to kenn3d (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 02:01 AM

28. Couple public financing with instant runoff voting would make it harder to "buy" the field...

 

If anyone could come in and get ranked votes without having big money buying them up, it would make it harder for big money to "buy the field" if voters see that every candidate that gets bought has the voter rank higher those that don't take money.

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