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Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:34 AM

If VP Biden were to run for President, do you think he has a chance over

Mrs. Clinton? Given that most of President Obama's supporters are now rooting for her and she has more momentum going for her!

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Reply If VP Biden were to run for President, do you think he has a chance over (Original post)
akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 OP
HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #1
MBplayer Aug 2015 #2
akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #3
djean111 Aug 2015 #17
akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #4
Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #5
akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #6
Metric System Aug 2015 #15
MBplayer Aug 2015 #19
ericson00 Aug 2015 #7
akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #8
ericson00 Aug 2015 #9
akbacchus_BC Aug 2015 #11
ericson00 Aug 2015 #13
PatSeg Aug 2015 #38
ericson00 Aug 2015 #39
PatSeg Aug 2015 #40
ericson00 Aug 2015 #41
PatSeg Aug 2015 #10
ericson00 Aug 2015 #12
djean111 Aug 2015 #18
ericson00 Aug 2015 #25
elleng Aug 2015 #14
NCTraveler Aug 2015 #22
elleng Aug 2015 #23
Scootaloo Aug 2015 #30
elleng Aug 2015 #37
monmouth4 Aug 2015 #16
NCTraveler Aug 2015 #20
DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #21
PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #26
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #24
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #27
Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #28
brooklynite Aug 2015 #32
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Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #34
brooklynite Aug 2015 #35
Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #36
DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #33
Adrahil Aug 2015 #29
Scootaloo Aug 2015 #31

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:50 AM

1. No.

 

He occupies nearly the same political position, so he'd have a hard time differentiating himself from her. Although he can raise some big $, it will still be far below Clinton. She's been planning for several years, and likely has locked up the prime Third Way campaign consultants. Also, he is a known quantity...although he'll see a modest boost in his poll numbers if he officially declares, he'll have difficulty boosting them further than that.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:55 AM

2. Private prison donation $$ means a lot to a large block of Democratic voters

I imagine this is a conversation/concern going on in the back rooms.

We need everyone's help to win the General election. Can't risk alienating our most reliable voters.

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Response to MBplayer (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:11 AM

3. I do not understand! What do you mean by private prison donations?

Prisoners cannot vote and they do not earn money in the prison system. Am lost as to your post, please clarify!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 06:42 AM

17. The people who OWN the private prisons. They want to stay in business. nt

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:14 AM

4. No, I disagree, VP Biden is more honest and he is a people person, not so much

for Mrs. Clinton. She never addresses the plight of the poor, she is for the working class and Wall Street.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:16 AM

5. Clinton would be tough to beat, but

 

Biden would beat Sanders one-on-one rather easily IMO.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:24 AM

6. Just my opinion, if VP Biden ran, albeit late, he will win!

Although Mrs. Clinton has a huge start, people do not trust her and she is not able to appeal to poor people. She is more for rich people, that is a big difference between her and VP Biden. I have seen her on TV, she comes across as royalty and seems entitled, I could be wrong.

I am told that Politicians lie but when she lied about her visit to Europe and was greeted with sniper fire was not true. Why did she lie about that. First and foremost, she voted for the invasion of Iraq, people do not forget that.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 04:50 AM

15. Um... Biden also voted for the IWR. So I guess people DO forget.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:40 AM

19. Basically this

Folks in these communities know that she's taken money from the wrong groups and lobbyists. The Prison for Profit thing hits African American and Hispanic families the hardest. "So we have to go vote for a candidate who helps lock our families and neighbors up to help rich people profit?"

They don't need someone to tell them this, either. No nasty politics required. They already know.

If we have ANY chance of winning the General, we've gotta have a candidate who they will come out and vote for with enthusiasm. They aren't going to vote for someone who has the image of being rich and out of touch. If they don't show, we've got no chance in 2016. None.

(apologies for being so blunt)






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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:38 AM

7. also, its not like Biden and Obama

 

are exactly controversy free in a general election either. ("Fast & Furious," Solyndra, anyone?)

See, Clinton-haters, both Clinton and Biden would get hit in a GE anyway with ethical allegations. The media and the GOP is just currently fixated with Clinton. They're not gonna hesitate to go after Biden if he's the nominee.

In a primary, it would also kind of be awkward for Biden to attack Hillary's email situation because Biden, as number 2, would implicitly also have responsibility and the GOP would love nothing more for Obama admin members to eat their own and make us look like clowns as they do.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:44 AM

8. Well, apart from the dicks asking for President Obama birth certificate, they

had nothing on Biden. Biden says it like it is but no one is going to question his birth origin.

I want VP Biden to run as am not sure if Mrs. Clinton will be able to gain enough votes against the GOP and the last thing the world wants to see, is a conservative gaining power!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:48 AM

9. Biden is the number 2, next-to top dog and some of the controversies

 

his and Barack's administration (because they are the two top guys in Washington) inevitably have been, and would be linked to Biden in a general election. They have plenty of ideas that if you think they'd hold back on, you're lying to yourself.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:04 AM

11. Am not lying to myself! You have no idea what you are talking about.

If VP Biden runs, he will win.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:08 AM

13. examples please.

 

how don't I "know what I'm talking about?" Please elaborate.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 06:58 PM

38. So you link to right-wing websites?

Are you promoting them?

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 07:03 PM

39. As are Clinton "controversies" so you see this is a 2 way street now

 

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 07:08 PM

40. And you are obviously very new to Democratic Underground

It is not generally considered acceptable to link to right wing sites and could be viewed with suspicion, especially if you appear to be somewhat contentious.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #40)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:11 PM

41. some of the things said about the Clintons and posted as if its either truth

 

or meaningful is also right-wing originated or derived. Or made into something its not. As I said, this is a two way street.

I mean, a bogus "scandal" is a bogus scandal wherever its from, NYT included.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 01:59 AM

10. Manufactured controversies

and unlikely to affect Biden in a presidential run.

Meanwhile, ANYONE who runs will get attacked by the opposition and the media. I seriously doubt anyone can come up with any ethical allegations against Biden that have any substance. That's why they go after him for so-called "gaffes".

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:06 AM

12. and the controversies against the Clintons aren't manufactured?

 

how much did the witchhunts of yesterday and today (NYT story) turned up anything of consequence?? What illegal or even immoral has been proven of the recent allegations against Hillary?

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 06:45 AM

18. Do you really consider that everyone who does not support HRC is a "Clinton-hater"?

 

Wow. Does that make you a "Bernie-hater" and a "Biden-hater"? Such hyperbole. That OOT stuff really diminishes.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:21 PM

25. no, but I do consider those who buy into phony "Clinton-scandals"

 

despite the fact none of them amount to dog-shit, and the idea that Biden would magically avoid ethical attacks as Clinton-haters.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:09 AM

14. 'most of President Obama's supporters are now rooting for her'???

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Response to elleng (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:54 AM

22. Overwhelmingly. I wish it weren't so, but it is.

 

I think many of them wishing there was another choice will have an eye opening experience watching the debates. I really think O'Malley will shine through at that time. Not that he isn't now. He is the most accomplished democrat with the most progressive plans to move forward. I also think some of the Sanders supporters, who aren't supporting him due to their anger at the "PTB," will really be swayed in the debates. I am once again really excited about debates. It will be a serious battle between Hillary and O'Malley.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:03 PM

23. YES!

Thanks

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Response to elleng (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:02 PM

30. I share your puzzlement. n/t

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:02 PM

37. Glad to hear it, Scootaloo.

Nothing like 'current' polling, eh???

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:38 AM

16. No...n/t

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:49 AM

20. Opinion: Biden will only get in if Hillary has a major fumble over the next month.

 

As a poster here described so well, Biden appear to be a "Break in Case of Emergency" for the establishment.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:52 AM

21. I resemble that remark.

He's like the fire hose encased in glass that says "Break In Case Of Emergency."



Great Plan B.

Although they are similar they both have their pluses and minuses.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:23 PM

26. I think Biden will only enter if the polls turn against Clinton in the next month or 2. n/t

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 12:16 PM

24. Yes. He's the alternative "not as bad as the Republican" candidate.

 

To many Democrats he requires slightly less nose holding than Hillary.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:32 PM

27. If Hillary should "stumble" I would really like to see Biden stepping in, he would be

the nominee if Hillary is not in the final. Yes, the Hillary supporters would support Biden overwhelmingly.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:33 PM

28. Yes, her numbers are dropping like the stock market under W..

 


America likes to elect incumbent VPs.

We have not elected a former Secretary of State since Buchanan.


I think Joe would win the nomination, beating even Bernie. I believe that the nomination, and the Presidency, is his for the taking.




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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:14 PM

32. And by "dropping" you mean: going from the high 50s a year ago to high 50s today?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:16 PM

34. .

 

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:41 PM

35. Favorability doesn't equate to voting...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 04:34 PM

36. it does play into both voting and turning out your voters

 

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/04/hillary-clinton-loses-ground-with-white-women-wsjnbc-poll/


^snip^


In June, 44% of white women had a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton, compared to 43% who didnít. In July, those numbers moved in the wrong direction for Mrs. Clinton: Only 34% of white women saw her in a positive light, compared to 53% who had a negative impression of her, the poll found.

Mr. Obama fared poorly with white women voters in the 2012 election, losing them to Republican challenger Mitt Romney by 14 points.

For Team Clinton, the latest poll numbers are a worrisome development. Mrs. Clinton is unlikely to match the African-American turnout that propelled Mr. Obama to two presidential victories, so she has to make up the difference somewhere else. Women eager to see a woman in the White House is a logical group to target.


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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:15 PM

33. Dropping like a stone

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary


At this rate she will be our nominee by voice vote.

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 02:34 PM

29. Nope.

 

Clinton has a massive organizational, monetary, and endorsement advantage. Biden is really only viable as an insurance policy in case she is forced to withdraw for some reason. He doesn't have enough to distinguish himself as a candidate IMO. I think that if he really wanted to run and have a chance, he would have needed to get in a few months ago.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:11 PM

31. Over three fourth of her endorsments came when she was the only declared candidate

 

And since June 1st, she's only garnered 10 endorsements.

I'm not quite sure what it means, to tell you the truth. But I, for one, am not particularly impressed with endorsements garnered before there was any competition. And the significant slowing of them tells me that Democratic party figures are waiting for something.

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