Well, I see we've gone full on marginalizing BLM again

[Godhumor]

That went so well last time, we might as well double down.

[Armstead]

1. Unless the people involved are outliers, they deserve it

They're marginalizing themselves if, as a movement, they think this is going to correct the problem of racism

[virtualobserver]

2. people who attack their own allies marginalize themselves

try that in your personal relationships and see how well it works

[HooptieWagon]

52. +1000

[orpupilofnature57]

3. Marginalizig is one thing, exploiting ' Free Speech ' to thwart a message is Hypocracy .

[Agschmid]

5. Exploiting free speech...

Oh my god. Here we go...

[roguevalley]

102. If its your group they're heroes if it isn't they're bums. this group better get its shit together

because if they aren't affiliated, they just eighty-sixed their group. Speak up or bear the load deserved or not. Right now, I am pissed.

[jwirr]

4. Most are just wondering why Bernie again? Maybe you can answer that.

[Armstead]

7. Because he's a bigot and racially insensitive

[Agschmid]

12. Clearly.

[Godhumor]

10. My guess is that it was a big audience and the activists happened to be local to Seattle

But it is only a guess at this point.

[whathehell]

65. And the crowd was too 'white' for them?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. It's obvious who is behind this

[Agschmid]

13. Who?

[Godhumor]

14. No it is not and that is marginalizing the movement to imply it

Saying BLM is a political weapon of one person instead of a movement around achieving change is the very definition of poo-pooing their concerns.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. No definitely not

BLM is a much needed movement but there was no need to hit Bernie. He has always supported Black people and he has said so.

[Godhumor]

20. No, implying "someone" put them up to it, is marginalization

It implies concerns are not real, or they're a front, or they're able to be bought.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. anything is possible in politics

there are some people who will stop at nothing.

[Cha]

27. you're right.. it is marginalizing. #BlackLivesMatter have their own hundreds of reasons to

Protest and they're doing well.

"Poll Shows Why Black Lives Matter Activists Should Be Proud"



snip//

The poll saw increases in the number of blacks, whites and Hispanics who felt more changes were needed. In 2014, only 39 percent of whites said more needed to be done. In 2015, that number jumped to 53 percent. For blacks, the numbers increased from 79 percent to 86 percent, and for Hispanics, 54 percent to 70 percent.

Pew surveyed 2,002 adults between July 14 and July 20, using live interviewers to reach both landlines and cell phones.

A Washington Post survey, released Wednesday, asked the same question as the Pew Research Center and got very similar results.

The Pew poll comes after a year of heightened Black Lives Matter activism, including numerous rallies, die-ins and acts of civil disobedience. A Gallup poll released Tuesday showed comparable results.

More..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poll-black-lives-matter-activists_55c24a2de4b0d9b28f0525e9?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

[ismnotwasm]

45. That's a powerful post Cha

Now THAT is activism for change

[Cha]

92. There are vital reasons for this.. another unarmed Black kid was killed by police in Texas today..

ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) — A police officer in suburban Dallas shot and killed a college football player during a struggle after the unarmed 19-year-old crashed a car through the front window of a car dealership, authorities said.

The Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office identified the dead man as Christian Taylor, of Arlington. Taylor was a sophomore at Angelo State University in San Angelo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/08/08/christian-taylor-killed_n_7959440.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

[romanic]

56. Doing well for who?

Oh wait, I already know "who" and it ain't black folks.

[Cha]

90. You know nothing about it.

[stranger81]

55. When BLM decides it wants to be an issue-based movement

instead of simply the rudest and ugliest opposition to a single political candidate, maybe they will be treated like a movement. Right now, they're just people who can't stand the sound of anyone else's voice besides their own.

[zazen]

60. + 10,000 n/t

[emsimon33]

84. You are giving them too much credit! They are puppets.

[GoneFishin]

86. Not poo-pooing their concerns. Recognizing that they have thrown their support behind some

candidate other than Bernie, a choice every voter in the country will have to weigh at some point.

We are in campaign season, and what they did is a campaign strategy. It doesn't not diminish my total support for the cause one bit. But I wholeheartedly disagree with the tactic and I think it will not advance the cause. Firstly, because I think any expectation that Hillary will expend any political capital on tough race issues and risk alienating her billionaire Wall Street donors is misguided. And second, because I think trying to embarrass your most allied candidate by taking over his stage and silencing him will not motivate fence-sitters to jump in and support your cause, and may alienate some current supporters.

[Cha]

21. Yes it is.. "Christian Taylor, Unarmed 19-Year-Old, Shot And Killed By Police"

ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) — A police officer in suburban Dallas shot and killed a college football player during a struggle after the unarmed 19-year-old crashed a car through the front window of a car dealership, authorities said.

The Tarrant County Medical Examiner's Office identified the dead man as Christian Taylor, of Arlington. Taylor was a sophomore at Angelo State University in San Angelo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/08/08/christian-taylor-killed_n_7959440.html?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

A lot of "who"s..

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. Who?

Bernie has spoken up for all Black people who have been subjected to horrific abuse and killing by police. Who?

[Cha]

30. Good for him.. #BlackLivesMatter are out there Protesting again and they're doing well.

"Poll Shows Why Black Lives Matter Activists Should Be Proud"



snip//

The poll saw increases in the number of blacks, whites and Hispanics who felt more changes were needed. In 2014, only 39 percent of whites said more needed to be done. In 2015, that number jumped to 53 percent. For blacks, the numbers increased from 79 percent to 86 percent, and for Hispanics, 54 percent to 70 percent.

Pew surveyed 2,002 adults between July 14 and July 20, using live interviewers to reach both landlines and cell phones.

A Washington Post survey, released Wednesday, asked the same question as the Pew Research Center and got very similar results.

The Pew poll comes after a year of heightened Black Lives Matter activism, including numerous rallies, die-ins and acts of civil disobedience. A Gallup poll released Tuesday showed comparable results.

More..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poll-black-lives-matter-activists_55c24a2de4b0d9b28f0525e9?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

They're not going to stop.. nor should they.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

32. Yes something needs to be done

[whathehell]

61. Good for BLM -- Why not recognize that?

Why all the hostility toward him? He's no whiter than Hillary.

[HooptieWagon]

81. They're getting killed on Twitter and FB.

They're marginalizing themselves, but I'm sure Soros will kick them a few more million.

[emsimon33]

85. No, they are doing what they have been paid to do: Silence Bernie and/or suppress the AA vote in 20

[bahrbearian]

24. Yep, I hope someone is following the Money

Its probably comes from a server in someones Garage.

[cherokeeprogressive]

74. Stop reading my mind. It's creepy. n/t

[zappaman]

25. Obviously who?

[Cha]

31. It was obvious to me, zappa. There was no need for a ? mark.

[HooptieWagon]

54. Yep. Follow the money.

[moondust]

41. He's a white guy with white hair!!!!

Git 'im!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gollygee]

44. Because they got a lot of attention last time they did it

and they wanted to get attention again. This is the one-year anniversary of Michael Brown's death. Sanders was speaking on this anniversary, and their earlier protest at one of his events was successful. They got tons of press. They want attention because nothing is changing and they're pissed off about it, and they're going to keep trying to get attention until something changes. Bernie's events appear to not have much security so they're able to protest there, and it is an effective way to get attention.

This is how protests work. They piss people off and get attention for their cause. They're getting attention. And yes, they're pissing people off. Protests are messy.

The people attending Bernie's event might have responded more kindly, because that would have reflected well on Bernie.

[jeff47]

46. Yes, it's always important to respond kindly to people calling you white supremacists. (nt)

[gollygee]

50. If you want to reach out to the people who feel that way and get them to vote for your candidate

then yeah, you need to be kind, and maybe try to get some kind of dialog going to find out why they feel that way. It's easier to just get pissed off and not listen, but that doesn't help get votes.

[jeff47]

53. You mean like the meetings that have already occurred?

It is apparent that BLM will never be satisfied with anything Sanders does or says. It is also apparent that BLM has no interest in disrupting Clinton events.

It's also apparent that BLM has no interest in disrupting Obama or Lynch events, and they could do something about it right now instead of January 2017 at the earliest.

[TM99]

105. Except this is not factually true.

This event was NOT a Sanders event. It was a Social Security and Medicare rally where he was invited to speak. There were numerous poc who spoke prior to Sanders. There were other whites who spoke prior to Sanders.

BLM Seattle only began their protest when Sanders took the stage.

Their Facebook statement clearly states that they are targeting Sanders and Sanders alone. Why?

The people who responded less kindly were not just Sanders supporters. They were there for a rally on Social Security and Medicare. They were also being called 'white liberal supremacists'. One of the heads of the protests has photos online of her with a T-shirt about 'drinking white tears'. And BLM Seattle has said that 'white liberal allies are useless'.

I love activism and protest movements. I and my family have been involved with them for decades. I am a bi-racial man who groks institutional racism having experienced it first hand.

What is happening now is something very different. I do not know why this is happening. It is not logical. It is not even reasonable. It is not a uniform protest movement with regards to all candidates either Dem or GOP. This is solely aimed at one of the most progressive candidates with some of the best history on civil rights for all persons of color.

This stinks, and I am very upset.

[The empressof all]

6. I don't think asking for understanding is marginalizing

I personally don't get how the actions in Seattle today were helpful to the cause. Seriously, it looked like two kids having a hissy fit and when they got what they wanted they upped the ante. Not cool and not helpful If anyone is marginalizing the BLM movement it is stunts like this.

[Cha]

39. Some CT are blaming Hillary for this.. that is "marginalizing".

[whathehell]

63. What is "CT"?

[Joe the Revelator]

8. I see BLM has gone back to alienating themselves

Thats going to go well for the cause.

[Cha]

33. No #BlackLivesMatter Activists are doing what need to be done."Poll Shows Why Black Lives Matter

Activists Should Be Proud"



snip//

The poll saw increases in the number of blacks, whites and Hispanics who felt more changes were needed. In 2014, only 39 percent of whites said more needed to be done. In 2015, that number jumped to 53 percent. For blacks, the numbers increased from 79 percent to 86 percent, and for Hispanics, 54 percent to 70 percent.

Pew surveyed 2,002 adults between July 14 and July 20, using live interviewers to reach both landlines and cell phones.

A Washington Post survey, released Wednesday, asked the same question as the Pew Research Center and got very similar results.

The Pew poll comes after a year of heightened Black Lives Matter activism, including numerous rallies, die-ins and acts of civil disobedience. A Gallup poll released Tuesday showed comparable results.

More..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poll-black-lives-matter-activists_55c24a2de4b0d9b28f0525e9?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

[emsimon33]

83. If they keep up their tactic of attacking Bernie Sanders

Those positive poll numbers will plummet.

The supposedly BLM individuals who are preventing Bernie from speaking are either puppets of status quo Democrats or Republicans who wish to suppress the African-American vote in the next election.

[Cha]

98. Poor bernie.. doesn't know how to engage #BlackLivesMatter... so he's "disapponted".

[emsimon33]

104. Ironically, he is the one candidate who has consistently fought for African Americans

If BLM keeps this up, they may actually suppress AA voters in 2016 with the Republicans winning the White House. If African Americans feel their lives have been hell up until now, just wait until the White Supremacists take over the government at all levels.

Also, from what I have seen of the BLM interrupters, there is no "engaging" them in any rational discourse. I do not believe this of the movement itself. But those who have seized the movement to silence Bernie are doing the movement serious harm and I feel pity for them. The two in Seattle come off as twits but the one now appears to be a "burn the place" down activist.

The tragedy that African Americans have every right to fear the police, that African American parents watch their children leave the house not knowing if they will return alive--these
horrors must be addressed. If it means profiling police and firing those who are racists, then so be it. If it means firing all police on all police forces and starting over with higher standards and better criteria, then so be it. This murder MUST stop. However, silencing Bernie only undermines their cause.

Bill Clinton was no friend to the African American community. Obama has not been much better. As long as we have corporate-controlled candidates, the murder will continue and the suppression and marginalization of African Americans will not end. Bernie is not controlled by corporations yet he is the target of BLM. Why should he engage them? His record speaks for itself. You can not engage ideologues in meaningful debate and the BLMers interrupting Bernie's speeches are ideologues.

[HooptieWagon]

89. Pissing people off is their goal?

How's that working out? Oh wait, another black was killed by a Texas cop today...they need to protest Bernie some more. What dumbshits...

[catnhatnh]

97. You can post that opinion piece as often as you like

HOWEVER-Correlation does not imply causation


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

[Cha]

100. I will post the polls to show #BlackLiveMatter Activists are making a difference.. don't need your

permission.

[catnhatnh]

101. I never said you did....

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

[Cha]

106. That's good because I will keep posting whatever I want... too bad for whomever doesn't like it.

[Ken Burch]

9. All we're saying is that there's no reason blm should be targeting Bernie more than the other Dems

Bernie and those who support him also support blm-so why treat us like the enemy>

Bernie's campaign gets it and has done nothing to deserve the hostility.

OK?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. Right

and if anyone BLM should go after the Republicans who in general couldn't care less about Black people.

[ibegurpard]

15. protest is a potent weapon

Used effectively it can bring attention to issues. Overused it can cause people to start tuning out. My fear is that by continuing to target one candidate this organization is going to delegitimize themselves in the minds of many people. That is a horrifying thought.

[dreamnightwind]

29. i thought it was pretty obvious from the beginning

Funny how so many people here tried so hard not to see it. An attack on the candidate who actually is a threat to monied interests, to HRC, and who actually would, if elected, make serious efforts towards reducing incarceration, reining in the police state, any number of things that disproportionately help POC.

Money and access to power is corrupting beyond our wildest imagination.

The Clinton call to Trump urging him to run, another part of the game.

I fully support what BLM claims to support. I don't support their focus on Bernie, and in my mind it absolutely delegitimizes those doing it.

[Cha]

16. What do you mean "we", Godhumor? Consider the source.

[Godhumor]

18. Eh, just thought the sentence read better as we than GDP or

Bernie supporters.

[Cha]

23. I know, sorry.. I just had to say that.

[NaturalHigh]

28. They marginalized themselves from the very beginning.

[Cha]

34. You're wrong. "Poll Shows Why Black Lives Matter Activists Should Be Proud"

snip//

The poll saw increases in the number of blacks, whites and Hispanics who felt more changes were needed. In 2014, only 39 percent of whites said more needed to be done. In 2015, that number jumped to 53 percent. For blacks, the numbers increased from 79 percent to 86 percent, and for Hispanics, 54 percent to 70 percent.

Pew surveyed 2,002 adults between July 14 and July 20, using live interviewers to reach both landlines and cell phones.

A Washington Post survey, released Wednesday, asked the same question as the Pew Research Center and got very similar results.

The Pew poll comes after a year of heightened Black Lives Matter activism, including numerous rallies, die-ins and acts of civil disobedience. A Gallup poll released Tuesday showed comparable results.

More..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poll-black-lives-matter-activists_55c24a2de4b0d9b28f0525e9?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

[NaturalHigh]

36. I wonder wht their poll numbers will look like...

after their last couple of bonehead moves.

[Cha]

38. #BlackLivesMatter.. not BS, not Hillary, this is what they do.. another Black kid was just killed by

the Police.

[NaturalHigh]

43. I don't understand what you're trying to say...

but as a group BLM makes one misstep after another. I get that you're a fan. I'm not.

[jeff47]

48. Yep, we better wait until January 2017 to do something about all these shootings.

Too bad there isn't a president or attorney general they could try to "talk" to. Oh well.

[Comrade Grumpy]

82. Another black kid was just killed by the police. So they fuck up a Bernie event?

Non sequitur activism.

[emsimon33]

87. The BLM people are just puppets trying to destroy the candidate who challenges the status quo

the very status that they claim to be challenging.

They are doing a serious disservice to a very serious problem: The cold-blooded murder of African-Americans by the police.

[romanic]

58. Copy and Paste all you want.

We know what's up with those BLM "protestors".

[Cha]

93. You know nothing about it.

[aikoaiko]

80. And you think shutting down Bernie events caused those numbers to happen?

[Cha]

94. This isn't about bernie.. this is about #BlackLivesmatter

[aikoaiko]

95. I'll believe that when I see BLM take the mic from Hillary.

Until then....

[whathehell]

96. So why do they keep targeting Bernie and no one else?

[medeak]

35. Whaa?? Can someone catch me up on this? Head of BLM greatest guy

baby sat my kids (that tells you how old I am) He is constantly putting out fires. What is the latest?

ok...blm is now black lives matter and not beuro of land management

[Godhumor]

37. BLM activists showed up to the Sanders event in Seattle

Some people here decided that they either work for Clinton or Clinton put them up to it.

[whatchamacallit]

40. Yeah we get it

"You all better STFU lest we insinuate you're racists"

[BillZBubb]

42. BLM should be marginalized. They are run by political dolts.

They aren't doing one thing positive to move their cause forward. They are doing just the opposite. Marginalize them now to stop further damage to the cause.

[Godhumor]

47. So you want to move a black led organization out of the conversation on how to address racial issues

Wow.

[whatchamacallit]

49. I want them to

not call allies "liberal white supremacists" and stop singling out the one candidate who would probably do the best by them.

[whathehell]

69. Thank you.

[emsimon33]

79. That's what I have been saying

The problem for their puppet masters is that they are just too obvious. The two in Seattle were twits. This BLM interruptus group is going to backfire on their puppet masters. The sad thing is the damage they are doing to a very serious and heart-breaking situation--the murder of African-Americans by police in this country...the shadow that clouds the lives of AA in this country, never knowing when they will be harassed by authorities and that harassment ending in death or serious injury.

[stranger81]

51. BLM has marginalized itself. [eom]

[cali]

57. bullshit.

[truebrit71]

59. Yup, calling allies "white supremacist liberals" is really fucking helpful....

They need to figure out who their allies are pretty sharpish before they marginalize themselves....

[Godhumor]

67. In all seriousness, where is "white supremacists liberals" quoted from?

Because it is not in the press release:

While we are drowning in their liberal rhetoric, we have yet to see them support Black grassroots movements or take on any measure of risk and responsibility for ending the tyranny of white supremacy in our country and in our city. This willful passivity while claiming solidarity with the ‪#?BlackLivesMatter‬ movement in an effort to be relevant is over. White progressive Seattle and Bernie Sanders cannot call themselves liberals while they participate in the racist system that claims Black lives. Bernie Sanders will not continue to call himself a man of the people, while ignoring the plight of Black people. Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

----------

Unless I missed a tweet or something, saying someone is part of the system is not the same as saying they are a liberal white supremacist.

[truebrit71]

68. Here....

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

[Godhumor]

71. Oh yeah, that is really not helpful

Well, that certainly changes things a bit. Thanks for the link.

[truebrit71]

73. No problem....

I'm still stunned it was said....

[dangerous dan]

103. I think BLM discredited themselves very badly

when they decided to interrupt Bernie Sanders and literally call him a white liberal supremacist. I would trust someone who has a 100% NAACP record, h as already stood in front of the issues since Ferguson. reflected it on his speech on more criminal justice reform, and it screams to me "NOT ENOUGH BERNIE!" - I really wonder if Hillary will ever have an open event, or keep hiding in those $2,700 fundraisers to prevent BLM protesters from coming in.

Bernie's numbers will only rise then idiots shoot themselves in the foot, like the organization behind #BlackLivesMatter did today, with Bernie.

[d_b]

78. "white supremacist liberals"

is that even possible? I'm bad at keeping up with all this shit.

[emsimon33]

88. BLM interruptus gang are just pawns

Unfortunately, they are doing real harm to the movement they claim to represent.

[PFunk]

62. Yup. And doing so WILL hand the repugs the win in '16

[whathehell]

64. They're marginalizing themselves

with their mindless hostility and rude tactics. So stupid to target Bernie.

[TheProgressive]

66. Strawman argument...

Nobody is marginalizing BLM - just people who write they are...

The *only* presidential candidate who will fight PoC and *everyone* is Senator Sanders.

[TNProfessor]

70. #christiantaylor

I would prefer to focus on Christian Taylor. Black men and women are being murdered. Today, yesterday, everyday at the hands of the system. BLM is much more than the campaign.

[MoveIt]

72. Who is this we you speak of?

The HRC supporters at DU who for some reason support the BLM protestor calling the crowd in seattle "white supremacist liberals" ?

[cherokeeprogressive]

75. What you mean "we", Kimosabe?

[d_b]

76. A few asshats does not a BLM make

Fuck them.

[emsimon33]

77. They marginalize themselves by appearing to be merely puppets

Interrupting the only candidate that has consistently fought against legislation, such as mandatory sentencing, which has ruined African-American lives--that is either just plain stupid or they are puppets (which I believe) of the status quo who fear Bernie.

[ljm2002]

91. Whatchu mean "we"???

Looks to me like BLM is doing it all by themselves.

I am strongly behind the message: Black Lives Matter. I am strongly behind actions that will make this more than just lip service, namely, holding police accountable, investigating the many terrible incidents that have come to our attention (and the ones that haven't for that matter), instituting dash cams and body cams for all police officers, not to mention more money for education and amnesty for nonviolent drug offenders. I'm sure there are many other policy changes that could be instituted to make it better. And yes, this issue is urgent and deserves to be brought to the forefront. It is long past time to acknowledge the shameful fact that black lives are still routinely devalued in our society.

But singling out Bernie Sanders in this way... all I can say is, I smell a rat. And I use the term advisedly.

[BeyondGeography]

99. Coddling them worked even better

[2pooped2pop]

107. how can you not after the little game they played tonight?

If they think Sanders is the one they need to go after then they leave me no choice but to believe they are either paid or stupid. Sounds like they tried to force him to have them removed so they could stir more shit with that. Nope, had respect for them but it's obvious that they are being guided.