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akbacchus_BC

(5,700 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:56 PM Jun 2012

Is this Supreme Court ruling good for Americans, am just asking!

Or would it have been better if the SC overruled and get single payer on the table if President Obama got elected. From all accounts, President Obama could be re-elected but we cannot count our chickens before they are hatched.

I just hope President Obama gets elected but you all have to work hard to get people to go vote!

Thanks

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Is this Supreme Court ruling good for Americans, am just asking! (Original Post) akbacchus_BC Jun 2012 OP
The Congress isn't going to pass single payer. TheWraith Jun 2012 #1
Two-thirds of Americans want single payer, including most Republicans MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #2
I am not doubting you SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
Here's some two-thirds data MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #9
Thanks for the information SoutherDem Jun 2012 #11
If true, one-third of Americans apparently aren't voting for the right candidates, then. joshcryer Jun 2012 #5
Absolutely true. MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #8
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #4
It is unless you're a fan of less coverage and higher prices Major Nikon Jun 2012 #6
Being asked to sit on a jury of an obvious RW troll does cheer one up. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #7
Good decision for Americans.... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #10
Are you concerned? Don't be. Obama and the American People just won. MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #12

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
1. The Congress isn't going to pass single payer.
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jun 2012

Not this Congress, not for the foreseeable future. If the ACA were overturned, it wouldn't prompt MORE radical legislation, it would eliminate what we got so far and make healthcare reform radioactive for at least another decade or two.

The only realistic prospect for single-payer is for states to start doing it, then for it to spread. That's how it happened in Canada. States can start going single-payer as early as 2017, which is when Vermont's new system will kick in.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. Two-thirds of Americans want single payer, including most Republicans
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jun 2012

With that kind of support, it's hard to believe that Democrats couldn't have gotten single payer if they wanted it.

But they either didn't want it, or were too timid to try it. That hasn't changed today.

ObamaCare is better than what we have now, so I think the ruling is good. The hope is that we start electing Democrats to office who believe in traditional Democratic principles, and who have some courage. Then we'll get world-class healthcare.

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
3. I am not doubting you
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:05 AM
Jun 2012

but I haven't heard this. Most people I know feel ACA goes too far, much less single payer. Can you give a link to support you statistics.

But, no matter the only people who count those elected to congress, who would never pass it, unless a Republican suggested it and it looked like it would hurt Obama.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. Here's some two-thirds data
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:13 AM
Jun 2012
Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all

As an experiment, the next time someone you know is negative about ACA, ask how they'd feel about expanding Medicare to cover everyone, instead.

More than half of Republicans is eluding me right now - I'll try again later.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
5. If true, one-third of Americans apparently aren't voting for the right candidates, then.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:15 AM
Jun 2012

If this concept had a two thirds majority in Congress we'd have it.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
8. Absolutely true.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:05 AM
Jun 2012

We vote for the wrong people.

Even when we vote for people who, say, swear they'll fight for a public option...

Response to akbacchus_BC (Original post)

Major Nikon

(36,814 posts)
6. It is unless you're a fan of less coverage and higher prices
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:15 AM
Jun 2012

Per the CBO, the ACA will result in 60% coverage of those who were previously uninsured. I'm not sure why anyone would think that's a bad thing. Furthermore the costs go down. While the rest of the nation was seeing their health insurance premiums go up, Massachusetts saw theirs go down. The individual mandate, like it or not, makes all of this happen.

Personally I believe single payer will come not by legislation, but by public demand. Once the rest of the US sees how well Vermont's system works, more states are going to want it.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
10. Good decision for Americans....
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:06 AM
Jun 2012

I think we will see more states use this as a way of beefing up their state systems into single payer plans, or at least "public option" plans. The expansion of Medicaid starts the ball rolling, and the Exchanges are supposed to encourage public based plans as alternatives to private insurance.

We may end up with a Canada-like plan, where individual states handle the details with Federal support, but it ends up covering everybody, which is what we need.

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