2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm having doubts
I figured I would be OK if Bernie Sanders did not become the nominee. After all, he's not connected to the Democratic Party establishment, and he has no celebrity status, and... Well, anyway, I figured Hillary Clinton would mop the floor with whatever fool the Republicans chose. Now it looks as if that may be wrong.
Yeah, I know. The e-mail thing can be shown to be essentially nothing. There is no accusation of any real wrong doing. The best Gowdy can come up with is a few post-classified messages, which is almost less than nothing. But the goddamn media is latching onto this and treating it as if Gowdy is a real person with a real brain and a real sense of public service. I think they're doing this because it plays into the image of Hillary Clinton they have been feeding for years, the image of someone who is arrogant and doesn't feel the rules apply to her. Is there any substantial evidence for this parallel to Dick Cheney? Not that I can see. It's too soon to tell if the public will buy this, but all the news outlets are pushing it hard.
artislife
(9,497 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)See, that's the point. Hillary is not doing what Bill did. She is not honing in on some tiny distinction about the word "classified" or something like that. But the media are treating this as if she is trying to wiggle out of trouble with some tricky double talk, as her husband did. But she's not doing that at all. And she doesn't have to, as far as I can see. This is McCarthyism all over again, with Trey Gowdy proclaiming the modern version of, "I have here a list of 57 known communists in the State Department." The corporate media spent years fawning over McCarthy, a crazed alcoholic publicity hound, before finally outing him. How long will they play along with Gowdy before they dare say the emperor has no clothes?
artislife
(9,497 posts)there is too much to this story, but it just piles onto the other stuff. She seems, in my uninterested interest. to be kind of shading her answers each time she answers. Which then takes me to this moment in time of Bill's.
It feeds my impression of her being....slippery.
I don't think a lot of people are digging into the details of this story.
On the whole there are 3 reactions (sure there are others but the majority fall into one of these 3 camps)
1. Witchhunt of the Clintons, no merit!
2. Evil Clintons out to leak classified information with no regard to National Security!
or mine
3. Stupid action by someone who should one, know about using a the secure system already in place and two, not being aware that the opposition is hyper alert and looking for anything....A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G to sink her candidacy!
It wasn't smart. Her movements and words after this have been like Bill's on this video..
Learn from the past, gosh!
840high
(17,196 posts)it's time to do just that.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)She honed in on the notion that these emails were not 'classified at the time'. That's her 'it depends on what is, is.' But unless she's got somebody classifying her emails before she hits send, of course they're not 'classified at the time'. They have to arrive and go through the system to get classified. She was the big kahuna, she should know what kind of information WILL be classified when it gets into the system, and know not to be mailing that sort of crap back and forth over non-governmental equipment.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)My understanding is that the messages were not classified at the time they were generated because they didn't need to be. My sources tell me this happens frequently, that some connection is drawn ex-post-facto that links an unclassified message to classified material, so they go back and classify everything. I do know, from my military experience, there was much abuse of using secret and top secret designations to hide embarrassing personal information, but I don't know about the opposite circumstance, where something was sent unclassified, then deemed worthy of a higher security designation.
840high
(17,196 posts)classified for sure.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)any doubts. This will not affect her at all and will most likely only backfire on Republicans.
People want to talk about ISSUES! They had how many years to question her on this, why didn't they?
Her campaign can easily turn this ON THEM.
I am not a Hillary supporter but if I were, I have a whole lot of questions for Republicans regarding this issue and it won't make them look if they can't answer them.
The people are tired of these distractions during campaigns.
She can actually benefit from this.
Republicans DON'T want to talk about issues. THIS is how they hope to avoid doing that. Their policies are so unpopular they have to distract and deceive and this what they are doing, period.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)If we end up being stuck with her I hope you're right.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)repukes blowing smoke
azmom
(5,208 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)I've not been pushing thus because I don't think there's anything there (I have plenty of other reasons to oppose Clinton). But this is going to dog her endlessly.