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Cary

(11,746 posts)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:26 PM Jul 2012

Impeach Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Time-for-Congress-to-Impea-by-Thom-Hartmann-120628-417.html

On Tuesday, in his dissenting opinion to the Arizona immigration case, Justice Scalia lashed out at President Obama for not doing enough to enforce immigration laws. With his blatant partiality and total disregard for the institution of the Supreme Court, isn't it time Justice Scalia was impeached?

Way back in 1803 Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase really stepped in it. Thomas Jefferson was the President of the United States at the time, and his supporters in Congress called themselves Democratic Republicans. Jefferson's chief political rival was John Adams, whom he defeated in the election of 1800, and Adams led the Federalists against the Democratic Republicans. The Federalists fought hard to protect the wealthy elite, succeeding in eliminating the direct election of U.S. Senators by the people. While you can't compare them apples to apples, the Federalists are basically today's Republican Party, at least in their belief that society is best organized when there's a wealthy ruling elite at the top. Samuel Chase, who was appointed to the High Court in 1796, proudly called himself a Federalist. So Thomas Jefferson was already a little uneasy with Samuel Chase as a Supreme Court justice. And after Chase joined other Federalists on the Supreme Court to create judicial review in the 1803 Marbury v. Madison case that gave the court the power to strike down laws passed by both Congress and the president, making it the most powerful, and unaccountable, of the three branches of government, Jefferson's anger with the court -- and Samuel Chase -- only intensified.
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Impeach Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia (Original Post) Cary Jul 2012 OP
Great article if only for the history it teaches. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #1
kick! hedgehog Jul 2012 #2
And what makes you think the DINOs... gregoire Jul 2012 #3
This is not the time to do it, we must look forward, not back. bahrbearian Jul 2012 #6
Hear! Hear! Let's not rock the boat! Raster Jul 2012 #13
He should have been impeached years ago Prophet 451 Jul 2012 #4
Him and Thomas, and if you have the liberal justices doing what they did Cosmocat Jul 2012 #21
I found a pretty good document on Impeachment. My doubt is getting Congress to teddy51 Jul 2012 #5
Was Chase impeached? No, the Senate acquited him. Then on what basis should Scalia be impeached? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #7
Technically yes. The House impeaches and the Senate serves as the jury. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #9
20 years of increasing corruption Doctor_J Jul 2012 #22
Fat chance. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #8
Dom't forget that Chase was impeached... VPStoltz Jul 2012 #10
The Senate acquitted him. Not Marshall. onenote Jul 2012 #17
Impeach him for excercising his own first amendment rights? I dont think so. cstanleytech Jul 2012 #11
Not Scalia? Then how about the husband of the lobbyist Virginia Thomas? You know, the one who AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #23
Now Thomas is a different story and imo he does deserve to be impeached. nt cstanleytech Jul 2012 #27
Interesting responses but consider that impeachment is a political move, not a criminal prosecution Cary Jul 2012 #12
It would actually be easier to ban the GOP than to remove a justice BanTheGOP Jul 2012 #14
If you were Scalia how would you like it if there was a vibrant movement advocating for Cary Jul 2012 #15
Did you not read my post? BanTheGOP Jul 2012 #16
I have yet to meet a judge who wouldn't care. Cary Jul 2012 #18
Then Kagan and Sotomayor are similarly affected by Rethug criticisms of impeachment BanTheGOP Jul 2012 #19
My credentials are solid and not only obtainable, but obtained. Cary Jul 2012 #20
Obscurity is relative BanTheGOP Jul 2012 #30
You were done before you started. n/t Cary Jul 2012 #31
Curious about something BanTheGOP Jul 2012 #34
Curiosity is a good thing. Cary Jul 2012 #35
Getting a vibrant movement to impeach Scalia is unlikely. Banning the GOP is even less likely. onenote Jul 2012 #26
So you're saying that because I post ideas here it follows that I don't live in the real world? Cary Jul 2012 #29
"Democrats and other socialist parties"? dpibel Jul 2012 #28
ROTFLMAO! Cary Jul 2012 #32
Define "vibrant movement" onenote Jul 2012 #25
I don't think that's where you missed my point. Cary Jul 2012 #33
The chance of the current House impeaching Scalia is really close to zero. stevenleser Jul 2012 #24
 

gregoire

(192 posts)
3. And what makes you think the DINOs...
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jul 2012

will take any real action? All they do is pander to the CONservatives.

bahrbearian

(13,466 posts)
6. This is not the time to do it, we must look forward, not back.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Keep your powder dry.. Three D chess,, on and on. Don't enforce the law, that would be divisive

Cosmocat

(14,543 posts)
21. Him and Thomas, and if you have the liberal justices doing what they did
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:58 PM
Jul 2012

if not actually impeached, there WOULD HAVE, no ifs, ands or buts, been a GREAT hue and cry from the Rs and the "liberal media" for it to happen.

They literally can do whatever they want, and not suffer consequences, a D does not even have to do anything wrong and can be taken down.

 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
5. I found a pretty good document on Impeachment. My doubt is getting Congress to
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:44 PM
Jul 2012

Impeach Justice Antonin Scalia, although he certainly deserves to be.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=104

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
8. Fat chance.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:32 PM
Jul 2012

Chase was a once in a country's lifetime event. He wasn't even removed. Then again, neither was Clinton.

VPStoltz

(1,295 posts)
10. Dom't forget that Chase was impeached...
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:21 PM
Jul 2012

And John Marshall, Chief Justice and another Federalist, acquitted him of all charges which sent Jefferson through the roof.

cstanleytech

(26,080 posts)
11. Impeach him for excercising his own first amendment rights? I dont think so.
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jul 2012

Mind you I am not a fan of Scalia at all but really if you want to impeach him you are going to need something really solid to nail him on like say if he accepted a bribe for a ruling or something thats actually criminal and criticizing a president isnt because if it was most of us including myself would have been in jail long ago.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
23. Not Scalia? Then how about the husband of the lobbyist Virginia Thomas? You know, the one who
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 08:07 PM
Jul 2012

inadvertely overlooked reporting his wife's income for the influence-peddling work that she did.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
12. Interesting responses but consider that impeachment is a political move, not a criminal prosecution
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:06 PM
Jul 2012

A viable movement to impeach Scalia would be a powerful political statement regardless of any success.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
14. It would actually be easier to ban the GOP than to remove a justice
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jul 2012

The reason is that you need a 2/3rds-majority (67) of senators to remove a justice, and that's not going to happen.

What CAN happen is that the Justice Department can investigate and indict the republican Party because of its murderous and traitorist tenets using existing RICO statutes. We don't need ANY republican scumbag in any part of the sequence to invalidate its existence. No need worry of Congress nor even president. As long as we can associate republican party policies with the destructive economic, social, and environmental damage that has been inflicted on this country, and indeed the planet, we can render a society in which the Democratic Party does not have to be the only stalwart preventing this harbinger of doom.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
15. If you were Scalia how would you like it if there was a vibrant movement advocating for
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jul 2012

your impeachment?

And what kind of example would that set for the next Scalia?

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
16. Did you not read my post?
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jul 2012

Did you not read what I wrote?? Scalia probably doesn't give a pissant about what the public thinks, vibrating or not. Again, the only way a justice can be removed is by 2/3 vote in the senate. UNLESS we ban the GOP, that ain't gonna happen soon.

And looking at it from the scumbag rethugs point of view: What happens when they try to take out our Sotomayor or Kagen by impeachment? They'd say the same thing as Scalia would.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
18. I have yet to meet a judge who wouldn't care.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 10:03 AM
Jul 2012

And I have been a practicing attorney for 28 years now.

Look up the word vibrant.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
19. Then Kagan and Sotomayor are similarly affected by Rethug criticisms of impeachment
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jul 2012

There is FAR more disdain on the insane, radical republicanist right about impeaching our guys and gals on the court than we can about them. So if they don't give a damn about the criticism (and they shouldn't), why shouldn't the scumbag justices on the dark side be concerned?

And frankly, I don't give a damn how long you've been practicing or your obscure words. I only care about what's right and what's solid, and what's actually obtainable. And the bottom line is this: First we must get 67 senators in the chamber on our side before we can kick the rethugs off the court. And the ONLY way we are going to do that is to ban the GOP to allow us to get to 67 with Democrats and other socialist parties with senators in place.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
20. My credentials are solid and not only obtainable, but obtained.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jul 2012

By contrast, nothing said on any internet board including what you do or don't give a damn about (frankly or otherwise) is either solid or obtainable.

"Vibrant" is hardly an obscure word. Your abilities to comprehend words and concepts are equally unimpressive.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
30. Obscurity is relative
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:04 PM
Jul 2012

Ok. I'm done here. You have impressed me with credentials, so I will bow to your magnificent presence.

My original statement regarding banning the GOP using RICO statutes being more likely than impeaching a justice still stands.

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
34. Curious about something
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jul 2012

I'm curious, why are you so touchy-feely about things? A 28-year practitioner of the law usually doesn't let this subject matter get under his skin as much as it does you.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
35. Curiosity is a good thing.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jul 2012

You're doing something here that's commonly referred to as projection. I assure you that I suffer from no such "touchy-feely" thing, whatever that is supposed to be. I merely cited your errors because I favor the truth.

Clearly you cannot own up to your own deficiencies so you are employing this psychological defense mechanism, subconsciously denying your own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, and ascribing them instead to me.

I again implore you to take advantage of your curiosity and to use it as incentive to explore these deficiencies of yours. It will make you a better person.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
26. Getting a vibrant movement to impeach Scalia is unlikely. Banning the GOP is even less likely.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 10:45 PM
Jul 2012

I would invite both of you to stop by the real world next time you are passing through.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
29. So you're saying that because I post ideas here it follows that I don't live in the real world?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:17 AM
Jul 2012

Getting a vibrant movement to impeach Scalia may very well be unlikely but it is more in the realm of possibilities than banning the GOP. It seems you not only posted a non-sequitur but you also fell into a false equivalence.

A vibrant movement to impeach Scalia may very well be unlikely, but that fact (if it is a fact) has absolutely nothing to do with why I would or would not post the idea here. And too any such probabilities bear no relationship on whether or not it's worth trying.

I used to represent people before the IRS and I would frequently file a Form 911. Out of the hundreds that I filed I never had a single one granted but more often than not I was able to affect something positive. And generally fighting with the IRS on behalf of people who really do owe the money was a losing battle, but I was still able to add value. Sometimes I even added considerable value.

"Onenote" eh? I would invite you to expand your monotonous repertoire. You might be surprised what can happen by simply adding a few other notes.

dpibel

(2,803 posts)
28. "Democrats and other socialist parties"?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:57 AM
Jul 2012

You actually said that.

You should think about installing a brain-checker on your computer.

Please tell me you're getting paid by the post. It would brighten my day.

But, hey! Your username is rilly, like, ummm, convincing.

onenote

(42,374 posts)
25. Define "vibrant movement"
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 10:43 PM
Jul 2012

I'm not sure what you consider a "vibrant" movement to impeach Scalia, but what I consider a "vibrant" movement is one that picked up significant support among independent voters and the mainstream media. And I think the odds of that happening are at or near zero.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
33. I don't think that's where you missed my point.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:17 PM
Jul 2012

You missed it when you became hung up on what you're so loosely referring to as "the odds" and I would bet you dollars to donuts that you were distracted by BANTHEGOP's nonsense.

If I were inclined to put you back on the right track I would point you to post #1. JDPriestly got it right off the bat. I think the real question you ought to be asking yourself is exactly did you and BANTHEGOP run off the rails?

I would ask the question myself but I have no pony in that race. Your ego is your business, not mine.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
24. The chance of the current House impeaching Scalia is really close to zero.
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jul 2012

Scalia would have to be caught in bed with an underage Al Qaeda terrorist and even then, I dont think the chances are much over 50%.

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